"I am not nor have I ever been a villain..."
See, now there's a key error alot of people make; the mastermind archtype of City of Villains is not synonymous with "supersquad leader". Mastermind minions are generic, throwaway thugs. Splinter isn't a mastermind with 4 henchmen, he's a scrapper with 4 teammates. Especially true of Professor Xavier, not even close to a mastermind.
Now Shredder, Shredder is a mastermind, fielding a ton of faceless ninjas (or robot ninjas, for the spineless animation companies of the 1980s) who get swatted around by the dozen. |
My ninja/storm heroic MM is a Yuki Onna with a team of ninja bodyguards (her husband is a freaking Nekomata, if you translated their powers into city of terms they'd be necromancy/illusion! and he's a good guy too), and each one of them is special and meaningful to her as even though she's their mistress, she feels there are family.
There's Basho Matsuo, a human who swore eternal service to her in exchange for granting his sister and brother-in-law safe passage through a mountain during the winter to get medicine for their daughter, despite their contract being eternal service, Kohaku still keeps the offer of retirement open for him, always. He has served her faithfully for a long time.
There's Sasuke Sarutobi, he has an amazing talent to be greviously injured by ANYTHING! (setting a high standard when he shattered every bone in his body picking up a blanket) But he's also probably even more immortal than the Tao since he's still fine. In reality he's a better diplomat, but he feels unchallenged there and prefers the excitement of bodyguard work.
Hanzo Hattori is a quiet one, says little, likes to cosplay, make plushies, and has a huge crush on Sasuke. (Is also actually a girl. She and Kohaku share many a girl moment together)
That's just the genin! Each one is cared about deeply and looked after well, Kohaku is a mistress of the ice, but cold and uncaring she is not. She is a hero of JUSTICE!
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Yeah, no. Not even a little bit. Not even when he was Bannerhulk. Do you even read comics?
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- Avengers Vol. 1 #1-2
- Marvel Feature Vol. 1 #1-3 (Joins Defenders)
- Defenders Vol. 1 #1-124, Annual #1
- Defenders Vol. 2 #1-12
- Defenders Vol. 3 #1-5
- Doctor Strange Vol. 3 #50 (Secret Defenders)
- Fantastic Four #347-349 (New Fantastic Four)
- The Order Vol. 1 #1-6
Or the various cartoons, and other media.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
See, I disagree with 'My character has access to x information off the bat'. For example, there was one guy in PD who's bio blithely stated that 'whoever he looks into the eyes of he knows there past'.
Sorry...what? Seriously? Go to hell. He tried it with a chacter who I've since deleted, a demonette assassin who disguised herself as human. He tried to instantly have all the background I'd written in her biog, clearly ignoring the stuff explaining her being disguised and such.
This is basically de-generating into finger pointing on who has right of way. "My character has access to this information, how dare you say he cant!" "My character is totally unknown, how dare you say you know them."
Give and take in equal measure. Show people some courtesy to their concept, and you'll get some in return. I for one don't agree with "X powerset makes them a villain."
Examples;
Thugs mastermind? Bunch of street kids who've decided they don't want to live in a dump and are taking on the local gangs, with the smaller but brainier kid making the plans. Mercs? Private group who are taking on crime either because their being paid by the City or simply for justice. Necromancy? A channeler who gives the spirits of those who are murdered a temporary physical form long enough to see justice done, in exchange for helping the City.
And there are plenty of ways to play a Stalker without 'stabbing people in the back'.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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That said Tech, the Arch Types could just as easily be F.B.S.A classifications for types of heroes.
Soaks damage for Teammates? Tanker
Gets stronger the more they fight? Brute
And so on.
I'd say what's on your hero/threat card would be in databases, I mean assuming you've had a hero/villain career there'd be some sort of info on how you'd fight, and they'd classify you on that.
Edit to add: Aside from your bio that is.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
"Right of way" is the primary reason why I'll never attempt to RP with an actual living person. I'd expand upon that, but this very thread provides ample evidence in itself.
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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See, now there's a key error alot of people make; the mastermind archtype of City of Villains is not synonymous with "supersquad leader".
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Mastermind minions are generic, throwaway thugs. Splinter isn't a mastermind with 4 henchmen, he's a scrapper with 4 teammates. |
Especially true of Professor Xavier, not even close to a mastermind. |
Oh and the way Professor Xavier can use his powers to subjugate crowds of peoples, steal their free will, and erase/alter their memories also tosses him into the Dominator category. He just chooses to use his powers responsibly rather than abuse them.
The only problem is you can't customize them, which you should. And you don't aways summon a person with the same face/hair features if you are playing thugs/mercs, which again you should be able to dictate.
That said Tech, the Arch Types could just as easily be F.B.S.A classifications for types of heroes.
Soaks damage for Teammates? Tanker Gets stronger the more they fight? Brute And so on. I'd say what's on your hero/threat card would be in databases, I mean assuming you've had a hero/villain career there'd be some sort of info on how you'd fight, and they'd classify you on that. Edit to add: Aside from your bio that is. |
Just because I write some background down doesn't mean people have instant access to it. Best example being the deleted demon stalker, or better yet, Alpha himself. He was originally an arachnos experimental drone, blown to bits by Longbow and then 'aquired' by Crey, who created the being he is now out of whatever high-tech they could get their hands on.
This is not common knowledge however, despite me putting it in his background. I also inlcuded why; Crey erased all the data on him they could, and Alpha has made sure to forcibly remove the rest of it, just in case.
Going by some of the arguements in the thread, though, just because its in my biog should give certain people the right to know about it. To which I say "Go to Hell, would you kindly."
RP Golden Rule #1; When in doubt, Ask.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I did say aside from your Bio.
But stuff like Name: Captain Fantastic, Security Level: 50, Classification : Tanker.
Would probably be easily accessible knowledge, if only to prevent conmen pretending to be super heroes.
"He said that some Tsoo were hiding in my house, and then he stole my TV!"
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
I ran into an interesting RP issue last night.
Jaguar Strike is my i18 Stalker. He's the son of a European fertility spirit and a South American terror god. I've been working on him and his backstory since before the i17 launch. While he is a troubled young man, the trouble is due to his vast powers and the feelings of despair and isolation they cause him. The majority of those powers have been sealed by a heavenly therapist in order to help him heal from depression and detachment. His sojourn in Praetoria to aid the resistance was also suggested by his therapist (an Archangel, no less!) as an exercise to reintegrate himself with humanity. He was always intended to be very firmly in the 'Neutral Good' range, despite shadowy powers. His ability to kill so very easily and the fact that ability has been sealed are referenced in his bio. A scrapper in a pickup group tried to roleplay with me last night, but just wasn't getting it. I insisted that I wasn't evil and that I'd never been a villain when he expressed reservations about grouping with one. I even tried complaining that his expectations were like those that had caused me such grief in the past. About the only thing I didn't do was say 'Hey, look at my character info and the number of times I've switched-- See that? That's the resistance-to-Hero switch. I've never even BEEN to the Rogue Isles, thank you very much.' Eventually, I gave up trying to RP with him, thanked the team, and called it a night. How would you have dealt with this situation? |
2 When training in the martial arts you learn to identify other forms of martial arts. so by viewing your combat techniques (power use) he/she could have easily identified you as an assassin type which are generally not viewed in a good light
3. perhaps said scrappers family/lover was killed by an assassin which he/she now has a natural hatred and distrust for.
4. maybe the scrapper has an extraordinary ability to identify the powers and abilities of others just like other comic book characters.
5. your character is obviously going through a personal struggle with the sides of good and evil so it could be easy to identify those types of struggles normally. given the fact that you use assassin combat techniques it could be more natural to assume you are on the evil (terror) side of things.
6 what clothing (costume) were you wearing? by the way you dressed it may have been a dead give away as to your profession.
7. could have been that your european spirit of fertility parent mated with a god of peace, love, happiness and butterflies and left them to mate with the god of terror and the scrapper as a child was left hurt, feeling abandoned and harbors resentment towards any other offspring of the fertility god.
8. praetoria is in turmoil between the loyalist and resistance sides so it would seem natural for people to distrust each other.
9. the list of things can go on my friends so perhaps you all should expand your imaginations as opposed to using limited views and possibilities while rping.
10. some of you should try being more objective and not just agree with friends because it will not help them, the situation or the community.
11. i got rp skills yo. meow
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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I kind of disagree with this due to the fact you can name them, talk through them and give them personality with the use of emotes.
The only problem is you can't customize them, which you should. And you don't aways summon a person with the same face/hair features if you are playing thugs/mercs, which again you should be able to dictate. |
Ooooo....now there's an update I'd like to see...custom minions! We can already customize (to a degree) powers, why not minions? After all, "Fashion is everything!".
1. why did a spirit of FERTILITY (life) mate with a god of TERROR (horror)??? the spirit of fertility could easily have been seen as corrupt by such a pairing thus easy to label any offspring as evil or corrupt as well.
2 When training in the martial arts you learn to identify other forms of martial arts. so by viewing your combat techniques (power use) he/she could have easily identified you as an assassin type which are generally not viewed in a good light 3. perhaps said scrappers family/lover was killed by an assassin which he/she now has a natural hatred and distrust for. 4. maybe the scrapper has an extraordinary ability to identify the powers and abilities of others just like other comic book characters. 5. your character is obviously going through a personal struggle with the sides of good and evil so it could be easy to identify those types of struggles normally. given the fact that you use assassin combat techniques it could be more natural to assume you are on the evil (terror) side of things. 6 what clothing (costume) were you wearing? by the way you dressed it may have been a dead give away as to your profession. 7. could have been that your european spirit of fertility parent mated with a god of peace, love, happiness and butterflies and left them to mate with the god of terror and the scrapper as a child was left hurt, feeling abandoned and harbors resentment towards any other offspring of the fertility god. 8. praetoria is in turmoil between the loyalist and resistance sides so it would seem natural for people to distrust each other. 9. the list of things can go on my friends so perhaps you all should expand your imaginations as opposed to using limited views and possibilities while rping. 10. some of you should try being more objective and not just agree with friends because it will not help them, the situation or the community. 11. i got rp skills yo. meow |
See, I disagree with 'My character has access to x information off the bat'. For example, there was one guy in PD who's bio blithely stated that 'whoever he looks into the eyes of he knows there past'.
Sorry...what? Seriously? Go to hell. He tried it with a chacter who I've since deleted, a demonette assassin who disguised herself as human. He tried to instantly have all the background I'd written in her biog, clearly ignoring the stuff explaining her being disguised and such. This is basically de-generating into finger pointing on who has right of way. "My character has access to this information, how dare you say he cant!" "My character is totally unknown, how dare you say you know them." Give and take in equal measure. Show people some courtesy to their concept, and you'll get some in return. I for one don't agree with "X powerset makes them a villain." Examples; Thugs mastermind? Bunch of street kids who've decided they don't want to live in a dump and are taking on the local gangs, with the smaller but brainier kid making the plans. Mercs? Private group who are taking on crime either because their being paid by the City or simply for justice. Necromancy? A channeler who gives the spirits of those who are murdered a temporary physical form long enough to see justice done, in exchange for helping the City. And there are plenty of ways to play a Stalker without 'stabbing people in the back'. |
I leave backstory for people who can RP with me, and who my character trusts enough to share that information. And it frustrates the god-moders to no end.
And that is one of the biggest reasons I don't believe in putting backstory in the info tab. First off, it sort of ruins the surprise, and secondly, I don't want anyone to ever have any excuse for that sort of behavior. My "info" describes what you see when you look at the character aside from what the toon looks like - some extra information the toon can't convey, such as age, a sly smile, or a dry, husky voice.
I leave backstory for people who can RP with me, and who my character trusts enough to share that information. And it frustrates the god-moders to no end. |
"I can tell that you are a stalker of security level 19 with kinetic powers including: 'lists powers'".
"....You're way off."
"But your character sheet says so!"
*looks around for a piece of paper*
"Huh?"
"Where?"
"I can read your mind! I can tell these things due to my immense powers to see everything about you."
"Hmmm, well you're still wrong. I don't have any of those powers" (obviously my character is lying, but even if someone COULD see right through me like this hypothetical person can, I wouldn't just concede everything).
At this point my character would probably slink into the shadows at the first opportunity and escape, and personally I'd try to avoid RPing with someone of that nature, but I still stand by my point that I NEVER would tell anyone how to RP their character or what they can or can't do, I'd try RPing with them and if I didn't like it I'd RP my exit
See, I disagree with 'My character has access to x information off the bat'. For example, there was one guy in PD who's bio blithely stated that 'whoever he looks into the eyes of he knows there past'.
Sorry...what? Seriously? Go to hell. He tried it with a chacter who I've since deleted, a demonette assassin who disguised herself as human. He tried to instantly have all the background I'd written in her biog, clearly ignoring the stuff explaining her being disguised and such. This is basically de-generating into finger pointing on who has right of way. "My character has access to this information, how dare you say he cant!" "My character is totally unknown, how dare you say you know them." Give and take in equal measure. Show people some courtesy to their concept, and you'll get some in return. I for one don't agree with "X powerset makes them a villain." Examples; Thugs mastermind? Bunch of street kids who've decided they don't want to live in a dump and are taking on the local gangs, with the smaller but brainier kid making the plans. Mercs? Private group who are taking on crime either because their being paid by the City or simply for justice. Necromancy? A channeler who gives the spirits of those who are murdered a temporary physical form long enough to see justice done, in exchange for helping the City. And there are plenty of ways to play a Stalker without 'stabbing people in the back'. |
1. why did a spirit of FERTILITY (life) mate with a god of TERROR (horror)??? the spirit of fertility could easily have been seen as corrupt by such a pairing thus easy to label any offspring as evil or corrupt as well.
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2 When training in the martial arts you learn to identify other forms of martial arts. so by viewing your combat techniques (power use) he/she could have easily identified you as an assassin type which are generally not viewed in a good light |
3. perhaps said scrappers family/lover was killed by an assassin which he/she now has a natural hatred and distrust for. |
4. maybe the scrapper has an extraordinary ability to identify the powers and abilities of others just like other comic book characters. |
5. your character is obviously going through a personal struggle with the sides of good and evil so it could be easy to identify those types of struggles normally. given the fact that you use assassin combat techniques it could be more natural to assume you are on the evil (terror) side of things. |
6 what clothing (costume) were you wearing? by the way you dressed it may have been a dead give away as to your profession. |
7. could have been that your european spirit of fertility parent mated with a god of peace, love, happiness and butterflies and left them to mate with the god of terror and the scrapper as a child was left hurt, feeling abandoned and harbors resentment towards any other offspring of the fertility god. |
8. praetoria is in turmoil between the loyalist and resistance sides so it would seem natural for people to distrust each other. |
9. the list of things can go on my friends so perhaps you all should expand your imaginations as opposed to using limited views and possibilities while rping. 10. some of you should try being more objective and not just agree with friends because it will not help them, the situation or the community. 11. i got rp skills yo. meow |
If you didn't want to group ERP you shouldn't have been dressed that way!
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I went from this
To this
I always assumed that, just like Origin, the Paragon City hero registration people created categories to classify the types of powers Heroes have. It would be helpful to know what support such heroes might need (medical facilities, training instructors, containment of power effects) and what support the heroes could give to the PPD or other Hero groups. Plus, of course, helping heroes identify their capabilities to potential teammates.
It could be that the Rogue Isles (or Arachnos, who apparently are the ones in charge) chose different categories to be different, or because they had different ideas about what capabilities were most important. Or, there could be something about the mindset present in the Rogue Isles that subtly alters the capabilities of the archetypal superbeing. At any rate, now that the two groups are able to intermingle, I would guess each side would add the categories of the other to their databases to simplify the classification.
See, now there's a key error alot of people make; the mastermind archtype of City of Villains is not synonymous with "supersquad leader". Mastermind minions are generic, throwaway thugs.
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Besides, I've always assumed they had access to the same medical teleporter technology you have. Sure, the animations do show them dropping dead, but you can ignore that. (Especially since it seems like dismissing my henchmen now makes them drop dead, instead of just leaving like they used to)
Anyway, when it comes to most of my Masterminds, I name all of their henchmen, and I assume it's just the same "people" every time. Whether it's a robot that had its AI downloaded into a new body, a Merc or Ninja that used the medical teleporter to go back and get healed up, or a Thug who is, well, already dead. The more evil of them might never admit out loud that their henchmen are "friends", but it must mean something that they keep calling them back anyway.
Ahhh... But it is the players choice if their minions are generic or meaningful.
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I'm sure when Penguin sees Jasco, he sees a man struggling to make ends meet, a man who can't get a job because of a B&E conviction from when he was too young to know better, and man trying hard to make child support payments and take night classes at the same.
But to Batman, he's just Black Turtleneck #2.
I've always thought that the ATs were given to us in the game storyline as part of our |Hero Registration and/or Threat classification. Without going into details, 'someone' in an office somewhere says 'Hm, who've we got next...Ah, Indefatigable Man, and his powers are...ok, he's a Blaster. Next.' or similar.
Dimbulb in the OP could have RPed access to some sort of database that would have Angst-RiddenDemonHeroBoy listed as Stalker, and then said sth about all the other times he'd met Stalkers and they'd stuck katanas up his bottom from their hidign places in the shadows of BB or sth.
But he didn't. Which is bad RPing and he should feel bad.
Eco.
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
Thank you for this post. It just proves that this is all a futile endeavour if that is what you take from Forbin's statement.
It is a case of can use emote versus should use emote. Cindersnap, a Paragon hero who has never set foot in Praetoria, can use ;drinkenriche. Considering it's very hard to get outside of Praetoria, should he use that willy nilly? Or the Protest Resistance/Loyalist Placards? No. Same for Paragon Police Department Scanner in Praetoria. |
I was going to use it in the D because one of my characters always drinks bottles of water and that looks stupid when you just use /drink and a pint glass turns up in your hand. >_>
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Bloody hell, RP is all about "let's pretend together". If you can't pretend that the tiny label says something different then you're doing it wrong.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
Now Shredder, Shredder is a mastermind, fielding a ton of faceless ninjas (or robot ninjas, for the spineless animation companies of the 1980s) who get swatted around by the dozen.