"I am not nor have I ever been a villain..."

That's fine for when your playing in Paragon or RI but characters in Praetoria don't have those factions. Every AT starts off on the same page. Stalkers aren't any more evil than Defenders.

You actually perfectly demonstrated my point, in your character's mind perhaps stalkers are no more evil then defenders. How do you know in my character's mind that he doesn't think stalkers are villains? Perhaps again, as I stated earlier, my character studied criminal behaviors and found that those who frequently hide in the shadows and assassinate foes from the shadows are almost always villains from RI. Perhaps he's a bit of a bigot who refuses to disbelieve that stereotype no matter how many times your character tells him he donates all his money to orphanages and only takes missions to save the elderly. It's all about a character's perspectives, and you really ARE god mode-ing it by daring to dictate how my character thinks. Shame on you.

And you've just proven my point about using OOC (Out Of Character) knowledge improperly. The characters in the OP's post were in Praetoria. A Praetorian character is not able to study criminal behaviors from the Rogue Islands until after he has reached level 20 and left the dimension. You are the one who is god-moding and claiming access to information your character doesn't have. If anyone should be ashamed it is you. And it doesn't matter what little BS bio you come up with to justify your god-moding, you are just making excuses.

Hah, I expected this response. Did you read mine? I guess not...As I stated, my hypothetical character stereotypes a character based on how they fight. He may personally classify a stalker as anyone who hides in the shadows and attacks from the shadows (theoretically, anyone who took the stealth pool may fall into his definition). He personally calls them stalkers , maybe your character does not but how dare you try to tell my character or me that his thoughts aren't valid. I'm fine with your character in game telling me that, but out of game it's annoying. I do understand what you are saying OOC, about him being from Preatoria. My characters do not have the ability to determine your archetype nor do I ever RP as such, but what if I did make a character that classified people as archetypes that the game has provided just based on their personal observations, he may even (ooc: erroneously) define them as villains soley based on their observed powers. Is he wrong about the OP's character (in game)? You bet he is, but again, how dare you try and tell me there is no way he can classify the character as a villain and/or stalker.


That's for MY CHARACTER to decide, not you. The OP said they were in a team, this means he got to observe his powers and could come to this conclusion logically. It's not like he ran up to the OP and said, "YOU ARE A VILLAIN STALKER." If that was the issue, then we may actually agree. You seem to want to force your rules on others. The City of X game(s) clearly define archetypes throughout the game, it's not out of the realm of possibility for a character to be able to guess, randomly apply, or otherwise know a character's archetype. I just don't understand what makes it ok for you to dictate the universe in a particular way that you only see fit.

Why is it that you can define any parameter about your character (even stuff that I may personally dislike but do accept because I find myself fair and understanding, such as being the child of two gods) but because my character may assign yours or others to "archetypes" it's bad RPing? For all you know, I could be RPing an insane character who thinks everyone is a villain stalker (another concept I would personally find stupid, but I would still accept the RPing). I mean there are plenty of examples of TV shows, Manga, Comics, etc. where characters have the ability to sense what other people are either through study, powers, or devices. You just don't seem to want to accept that someone could do this. I don't mean to sound rude to you, but you are one of those RPers I would probably dislike. One of those who tell me a character concept of mine is stupid or a bad RP idea because you've heard it before or dislike it. Try to be more open minded, I have no problem accepting any concept of yours (even if I dislike it) but you clearly can't accept mine.

Archetypes are something in the game, as are "security levels". It's possible for someone to RP that knowledge somehow because the game uses these concepts all the time.. You can't dictate when they are applicable and when they are not, unless you personally are a god...or god-moding it like you are. Sorry, but it's true.

Notice the difference between our two arguments: I'm not trying to dictate what your character can think, but you are trying to dictate what mine can think. If your character wants to argue that I can't "sense" his archetype, it may be an interesting and heated debate that makes the two of them enemies (as they can never solve their differences and are both bigots) but it would be fun to role-play. You can't dictate something is "ooc" again, when it's used constantly in the game. If they didn't intend for archetypes to exist, they wouldn't have them.

EDIT: I've said my thoughts. If you want to ask me questions about what I've said or clarifications I will do so, but I don't want to go back and forth saying the exact same thing to you. If you don't agree with me that's fine, I respectfully disagree with your opinion and it would be nice for you to do the same. I have nothing against you but I don't want to turn this into an endless forum argument. If you live near CT though, maybe we can meet IRL, drink some beers, argue loudly, perhaps fist fight, and become good friends.

I'm not the one that started the "Shame on you" crap. So direct your offended sensibilities at the person who actually started it. If you read LISAR's post she was doing the same thing the person I responded to but I was willing to let it go without criticism because she was being civil about it.

So you're RPing an idiot is your defense?

You followed through. It was directed at both of you, because you're both getting way too personal and self-righteous about this.

Now how about actually addressing the part that directly disagrees with your stated position, considering the facts as listed in Moo's post?

Or more to the point, villains cannot be in Paragon City so to assume a villain is running around Paragon City is silly. A villain who has repented to the point of being a rogue, yes.

I would also expect a sudden influx of supers from a mirror universe would be news among the supers of Paragon City and the Rogue Isles.

While I am not personally playing one, what if I did want to play one? I mean, in DnD for example, I have a player in my group who enjoys playing the stereotypical dumb half-orc barbarian. Some people like to play those characters. While I find that type of character a bit trite personally, who am I (or anyone else) to tell them to RP their character a certain way.

That's fine if you want to RP an idiot. But expect to be treated accordingly by people who don't.

A stalker's tactics are pretty obvious, sneaking around and stabbing people. Further, it's not a stretch to disapprove of such methods, feeling they are dishonorable, perhaps.

The Villain AT's have a villainous feel to them. It's one of the reasons the Hulk doesn't team up much, dispite being a "hero". His powers are furled by his anger, and it makes heroes feel uncomfortable. It's also reasonable for heroes to feel uncomfotable with a 'hero' that sends lackeys to do his dirty work (those ninjas/soldiers/thugs have families too, and summoning demons and zombies is definitely cringe-worthy... robots are probably okay.) Corruptors and Dominators can probably pass as blasters, defenders, or controllers if needed, but keep in mind dominators feed off the pain they cause, and corruptors strike with extra power when they're going in for the kill.

Oh definitely, but that can be part of the fun of playing an idiot . Also, to address your point about that being directed at both of us, you are right...I did take it a bit too personally. I guess I remembered my first time trying to RP in CoX and got a bit angry...sorry for losing my cool.

First time I tried to RP here I was insulted and laughed at because my concept was something that many RPers found to be overused or boring. I thankfully encountered a very kind player who explained to me the general atmosphere of RPers here in CoX, what many of them thought about certain concepts, and he gave me several suggestions to create interesting character concepts in this environment. If it wasn't for this player I likely would have given up there...sometimes when I see arguments like the one I definitely overacted upon, that type of logic can get my blood boiling....though I do understand and accept that he has every right to disagree with my opinion.

If you are talking directly to more than one specific individual then you need to include both of them in your response so you are clearly understood.

If you had bothered reading any of my previous posts you'd have seen that I already have addressed the issue and you'll find I agree with Moo's response to the situation.

Oh great let's open the old "Batman is a stalker" argument. There are plenty of examples of heroes that could fit into this games CoV archetypes.

i actually plan on taking my stalker to the good side just to get all the location badges. i want to take pictures at all of the hero statues and such. make it like i had snubbed my nose at all the goody two-shoes by infiltrating their world. then go back to my haven of darkness

just a fun little project for me

Don't be silly. Batman uses an array of incapacitating devices, combined with a mixture ranged and melee combat.

Dominator with Concealment?

Actually only 5 of 10 of the Stalker sets stab people. And everybody knows that Batman, The Shadow, and Kitty Pride are evil and dishonorable characters.

From my perspective Hulk is not an evil character, it's more about the chaos that the Hulk generates due to his low intelligence at the time he is hulking, then about him being fueled by his rage.

I play primarily magic origin characters, and all of my MM pets are either constructs or beings from other plains who return to those plains upon being defeated until I call them back. It is I who causes their form to be what it is on this plain. I guess Drizzt Do'Urden is an evil character. Hells I just realized that Drizzt is a double evil character, because he often attacks from ambush, which is a Stalker tool.

There is no game mechanic that builds Domination IAW the amount of damage they do. Domination is built by how often they attack. and who they attack. Pretty much like Brutes fury, except that being attacked does not build Domination. Domination could be easily related to the excitement of the challenge, and if you think that is evil, than pretty much every athlete is evil, along with anybody else who gets a charge out of a challenge.

Corruptors Scourge could easily be the excitement of the take down. Again something else that is common in athletes, especially those who's sport involves overpowering another opponent, such as Martial Arts, Boxing, Wrestling, and that defense player who is about to get a sack on the quarterback.

Yeah pistols, rifles, and machine guns do incapacitate people.









No wonder people can't stand Splinter of TMNT, Nick Fury, Professor Xavier, Sgt Rock, Zordon of the Power Rangers, and Gen Hawk of G.I. Joe cuz they are a bunch of untrustworthy Masterminds.

Edit: Oh and I almost forgot about the show Naruto where the evil Mastermind Kakashi Hatake keeps sending ninja children out on missions.

Yeah, no. Not even a little bit. Not even when he was Bannerhulk. Do you even read comics?