I like how good and evil blur in GR (mild spoiler)

My heroic character hasn't found the warden path because he hasn't had any reason to join up with the resistance who he sees doing all sorts of evil things.

I think my favorite part so far is going Loyalist / Resistance and secretly working for the other side. It reminds me a lot of the plot of Equilibrium.

I wanted to stay in this thread and then Golden Girl started spewing out spoilers like a smashed fire hydrant. Slowly backing away...

Edit: To clarify, I'm calling you out specifically, GG, because the OP said "Mild Spoiler" before stating the premise of the game. You were the one that literally posted a list of the plot twists in Going Rogue.

Some spoilers, nothing specific except location badge stuff, but still:


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In the game, the Wardens are clearly the people who will help maintain order and restablish civilian government. They have people all over the place, from government, to clockwork programming.

The Crusaders get the most press because they are the scary ones and the one's PC's seem to wade into the most. There is a Warden arc devoted solely to upending one of the Crusader's most ridiculous schemes. However, once you get away from Nova, the Crusader, Freakshow side (with a singular exception: Hatchet) gives away to the "screwed over by the government" foes. They are extreme, but their stories are extreme. I totally screwed them over. It didn't feel good, but it was amusing reading Marchand freak out about what the resistance AND the Praetors had been doing behind his back.

As for how bad things are, I got the "Knows the Truth" badge after wandering around the undergound in Nova being lost. I got the badge after finding the area where the PPD routinely brings large numbers of people for mass slaughter. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what the location description said. Of course I think the abandoned morgue under the Nova hospital is worse there are still corpses there.

There are certain things about Praetoria that are only open to interpretation if you completely ignore certain mission lines or haven't been exploring. Praetoria is messed up and yes, the Wardens, Longbow, and Dark Watcher and Friends will make it better, unless Longbow, Arachnos, and Malta make it worse in the process. (Yes, I meant to put longbow twice.)

However I still went loyalist at the beginning because I would rather work with Marchand to mitigate Crusader stupidity. Plus I got a badge for switching sides five times. After that I've kind of lost count after I turned off XP a few times so I could keep getting missions in Nova and Imp City. The only way to be truly "good" is to go back and forth and judge who deserves to be gaffled the most.

Ya know, I spend all my time lurking on these boards never really posting mostly just observing and taking in the news. But now, I find I need to contribute a bit to the topic at hand. No, not Going Rogue and its morally grey content or thought provoking material, but rather a poster. Golden Girl, I find her(his? probably her) ways strange and cruel and I believe I finally figured her(him?) out.

See, I have a theory here, a theory that reads that the obtuse facade that Golden Girl puts up is just that; a facade, an illusion that beguiles her true face. This illusion serves to ensure her victory in discussions such as this by blindsiding everyone else with nonsensical single sentences. Pathetic one liners and nauseating faces that serve to both pad her post count and infuriate the opposition.

It's not that she can't form a concise argument, no I believe she is perfectly capable of that; rather it's that she's afraid to. Her fragile and precious ego must not be broken and if somehow anyone were to prove her 'wrong' or have the audacity to express and opinion different than her own then that carfeully built world filled with self rightousness and white knight justice would be broken.

So, what to do to prove how Golden Girl is right and you're wrong? Simple: Drop any semblence of civilized discussion, resort to childish slurs and namecalling along the likes of 'facist' and 'stormtrooper,' throw in some of those lovely winky oneliners that dodge the question and repeat what's already been annoyingly established, and to top it all off do it with this cheery innocent childlike tone.

The result? Victory, at least to her. Those that recognize the kraken attacking their beloved ship will likely abandon it in a desperate attempt to swim to safety. The rest are stubborn, they will continue to fight and attack it with their scabbards and paddles, engaging in a sad back and forth seemingly endless tirade of shame and nonsense that spirals into a whirlpool, a dark cold pit where ambitions and dreams go to die.

Of course they manage to escape this dark abyss under the realization that there is no reasoning with the mighty Golden Kraken and desparetly flee for their lives with thier sanity (hopefully) entact. Untill all that remains is the Golden Kraken alone and unoppsoed and that obviously translates to victory.

So here we are; everyone has been chased away, the world is safe from the evils of opinions not her own, and the moral fiber of the world is safe and sound and colored in Gold. Of course I have no idea how she justifies her actions and the notions that she's right and we're wrong and how we should all just shut up and get behind her. Insane Troll Logic probably

I also like how good and evil blur in GG.

To be somewhat more on topic, it's important when playing through GR to maintain separation between what you as a player know about Praetoria and what your character could be expected to know about Praetoria. From the perspective of a Praetorian citizen, Marcus Cole is the savior of humankind (from a real and present threat that many Praetorians experienced directly). Praetoria is one of the last bastions of civilization in the middle of a horrific wilderness. Under these conditions, the Praetorian laws are strict, but not inconceivably so - compare with measures such as food rationing, conscription, communication surveillance, and censorship of news in wartime. Note that I am not endorsing any of the above, but I am pointing out that citizens of a democracy have accepted such measures before. This is a historical fact, and it is relevant.

Yes, I have read the Praetorian Atrocity List. However, I emphasize once again: the average Praetorian knows none of this. If you sign up for the Resistance, even the Warden path, your first step in this direction is to kill, or at least beat into unconsciousness, two police officers who are in the middle of arresting a terrorist. Then you talk to the leader of a group who you have been repeatedly (and accurately!) told are actively tearing down the fragile foundations of your refuge against savagery.

How this can be construed as the obviously heroic thing to do is a little beyond my reckoning. But then again, maybe some people just don't know how to put themselves in other people's shoes, and instead act on what they, the player, know, and not what their character would know.