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I'm sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. I never claim expertise I don't have. All I have backing me up is my belief in the inherent strength of the human spirit.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
You're entitled to your beliefs. If I may ask, with regard to your argument, what in your background (professional training, degrees, accreditation, etc) would you use to support your argument where it disagrees with the scientific research and data that has been and is being collected and verified (through scientific rigor and discourse) on this particular subject?
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Which is what you and the Baudelaire orphans have in common.
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
I'm sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. I never claim expertise I don't have. All I have backing me up is my belief in the inherent strength of the human spirit.
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Is there some kind of anti-addictive like Mathadone that you can take for a sex addiction? If so where can you go for a prescription? Sex in medicinal form..... so clinical, nurses too?
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
It's not as simple as that. Lots of recognised addictions don't involve any 'addictive substances'. Gambling, shopping, stealing, sex, ...
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Fixed that for you to better reflect your enabling attitude.
Unless there is a physical addiction involved, people are responsible for their own actions. End. Of. Story. Oh, I'm sorry you gambled your home away, but they were holding a gun to your head. What? Oh, they weren't? Then buzz of, it's your own fault. |
My point was that your simplistic attitude doesn't matter one bit in court considering that there are plenty of legaly recognised addictions that don't involve drugs. Video game addiction might be considered the same thing.
I personally don't get how you can make the difference concerning substance addiction. Oh, I'm sorry you got addicted to crystal meth and detroyed your life and rotted your teeth out of your mouth, but they were forcing you to take the stuff! What? No? You took the stuff out of your own free will? You're an idiot, go die in the gutter.
It's the exact same thing.
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I'm curious about your stance on clinical depressions and anorexia.
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
I'm sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. I never claim expertise I don't have. All I have backing me up is my belief in the inherent strength of the human spirit.
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@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
The more complicated the machinery, the more things that can go wrong with it. The brain is just an extremely complex machine and innumerable things can go wrong with it.
Sometimes it can do its own course correction, sometimes it gets lost and needs outside help.
Not everyone is smart, wise, strong-willed or has good judgement - not everyone is sane or healthy. In fact, no one is perfect. Some people actually require assistance in varying degrees to get steered in the right direction. Some people can destroy themselves if just left to their own devices.
It's easy to just blame the individual, but that may not actually solve the problem.
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Yes, exactly. Meth, IIRC, contains no physically-addictive ingredients, though I may be wrong.|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Enabling attitude?
My point was that your simplistic attitude doesn't matter one bit in court considering that there are plenty of legaly recognised addictions that don't involve drugs. Video game addiction might be considered the same thing. I personally don't get how you can make the difference concerning substance addiction. Oh, I'm sorry you got addicted to crystal meth and detroyed your life and rotted your teeth out of your mouth, but they were forcing you to take the stuff! What? No? You took the stuff out of your own free will? You're an idiot, go die in the gutter. It's the exact same thing. |
Unless what you are addicted to contains a chemical that causes you harm or discomfort unless you keep taking it, then you have no excuse for your actions.
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I agreed with about everything you said until this. There are other mental problems that are legitimate. I know what you are saying, people make excuses all the time, but there ARE many mental issues that aren't just enabling people to make dumb decisons.|
Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
The following are the only legitimate mental disorders, every other is just an excuse to enable bad behavior:
Schizophrenia (and it's little brother, paranoia) Multiple Personalities Psychopathy and Sociopathy (i.e., being EVIL) Retardation REAL Bipolar Disorder (as in, uncontrollable rage followed by attempted suicide, not just using it as an excuse to be a weepy wuss and a huge jerk in the same sentence) That's it. I do not believe in any other mental disorders. At all. Citing them does nothing against my argument because my argument is that they are not real. |
For example, I have OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). Did I make up this disorder so I can excuse the thoughts that I absolutely hate that pop into my head and torture me? No, no I didn't.
I find it amusing this has not been closed yet.
Then again, ManOf morphed it into a thread about mental disorders.
What a strange way to save a thread
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Psychopathy and Sociopathy: Together these are "Antisocial Personality Disorder". It does not mean "evil", and in fact many cases are entirely self-destructive. Most commonly, the patient is simply incapable of expressing emotion or empathizing with other individuals.|
Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
The following are the only legitimate mental disorders, every other is just an excuse to enable bad behavior:
Schizophrenia (and it's little brother, paranoia) Multiple Personalities Psychopathy and Sociopathy (i.e., being EVIL) Retardation REAL Bipolar Disorder (as in, uncontrollable rage followed by attempted suicide, not just using it as an excuse to be a weepy wuss and a huge jerk in the same sentence) That's it. I do not believe in any other mental disorders. At all. Citing them does nothing against my argument because my argument is that they are not real. |
Bipolar Disorder: Manic episodes are not the same thing as rage. While a manic episode for some patients may be interpreted as rage by others, manic episodes may be things like irritation, loss of proper judgment (like spending sprees they can't afford), delusions of being "chosen" (or similar), and they may begin substance abuse during manic episodes which they don't continue when in a normal or depressed state. A manic episode may even seem to be a simple sugar/caffeine high. A depressive episode doesn't make a patient suicidal, either - it can manifest as shyness, lack of motivation, general depression, and more.
I'm sure you dismiss dyslexia as a fictional disease. However, it's a real neurological dysfunction. (There are also people with trouble actually seeing/hearing the words, and people who were not properly taught the words; that's not dyslexia.) The same applies to dyscalculia, a problem similar to dyslexia but which applies to mathematics.
And what about Alzheimer's disease? I can remember as my grandfather on his bed, when his wife of more than 60 years walked in, he didn't even know who she was.
You might be able to make a convincing argument that medicines for ADD/ADHD are over-prescribed, but that doesn't make them fictional disorders.
There are scores of other neurological conditions which don't fit in your list. Some are genetic or congenital, others are caused by chemicals added to the body or physical damage, and still others are apparently random happenstance as far as our science knows.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Alzheimer's is not a mental disease, your brain is literally rotting away, as I understand it. Also, I'll admit I forgot Dyslexia, but I tend to lump it in with vision disorders.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Psychopathy and Sociopathy: Together these are "Antisocial Personality Disorder". It does not mean "evil", and in fact many cases are entirely self-destructive. Most commonly, the patient is simply incapable of expressing emotion or empathizing with other individuals.
Bipolar Disorder: Manic episodes are not the same thing as rage. While a manic episode for some patients may be interpreted as rage by others, manic episodes may be things like irritation, loss of proper judgment (like spending sprees they can't afford), delusions of being "chosen" (or similar), and they may begin substance abuse during manic episodes which they don't continue when in a normal or depressed state. A manic episode may even seem to be a simple sugar/caffeine high. A depressive episode doesn't make a patient suicidal, either - it can manifest as shyness, lack of motivation, general depression, and more. I'm sure you dismiss dyslexia as a fictional disease. However, it's a real neurological dysfunction. (There are also people with trouble actually seeing/hearing the words, and people who were not properly taught the words; that's not dyslexia.) The same applies to dyscalculia, a problem similar to dyslexia but which applies to mathematics. And what about Alzheimer's disease? I can remember as my grandfather on his bed, when his wife of more than 60 years walked in, he didn't even know who she was. You might be able to make a convincing argument that medicines for ADD/ADHD are over-prescribed, but that doesn't make them fictional disorders. There are scores of other neurological conditions which don't fit in your list. Some are genetic or congenital, others are caused by chemicals added to the body or physical damage, and still others are apparently random happenstance as far as our science knows. |
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Let me remind you, science also said the Earth was warming and the ice caps were going to melt soon. And yet, data showed the Earth was actually cooling, and there was no need to worry. I've always been a fan of science, but I also realize it can be incorrect.....especially with the right monetary/political influence.|
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
Once considered a character defect, gambling is now known to be a highly addictive disorder with neurological causes. Thanks to new advances in brain imaging, scientists are beginning to identify the neural mechanisms that go awry in the brains of pathological and problem gamblers. What they're learning from such research is also shedding light on how these same mechanisms determine individual risk tolerance - and influence the financial choices we all make throughout our lives.
Full article at the Society for Neuroscience: http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagena...fings_gambling |
Science also says spanking your kids causes them to be aggressive and stupid, yet everyone I knew that was is rather calm and successful in life. The ones that weren't haven't gone anywhere except to prison.
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That's basically true as far as the cause for Alzheimer's goes, but how different is that from, for example, a stroke? (And no, alcohol is not required for a stroke.) Both are neurological problems caused by physical changes to the brain, not directly related to the operation of brain cells.|
Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Alzheimer's is not a mental disease, your brain is literally rotting away, as I understand it.
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What about, say, apraxia (loss of the ability to perform learned movements -- most commonly caused by brain trauma)? Apraxia can be overcome with physical therapy, just like nicotine addiction can be overcome through nicotine replacement therapy, and something like gambling addiction can be overcome with behavioral therapy. All of them can be overcome, but it's rarely a simple process. (Additionally, all three examples above carry the risk of relapse.)
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Yes, except that Gambling addiction has nothing to do with your brain exploding or addictive chemicals being introduced to your system. How is this a hard concept to understand?
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
That's basically true as far as the cause for Alzheimer's goes, but how different is that from, for example, a stroke? (And no, alcohol is not required for a stroke.) Both are neurological problems caused by physical changes to the brain, not directly related to the operation of brain cells.
What about, say, apraxia (loss of the ability to perform learned movements -- most commonly caused by brain trauma)? Apraxia can be overcome with physical therapy, just like nicotine addiction can be overcome through nicotine replacement therapy, and something like gambling addiction can be overcome with behavioral therapy. All of them can be overcome, but it's rarely a simple process. (Additionally, all three examples above carry the risk of relapse.) |
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I couldn't care less in this issue if a person is actually mentally sick or not.
That isn't really germane.
The only thing that matters in this issue is, who's fault is it?
If it's an actual physical addiction, the "addicting" element is at least partly at fault.
If it's NOT an actual physical addiction, then the either the person's willpower is at fault, or there's a defect in his brain. In either case, the so-called "addicting" element is not the cause.
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In the US we sued Big Tobacco claiming cigarettes are addictive and sales in emerging markets sky rocket.
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Addiction is a positive feedback loop; in some cases, there is also negative feedback for trying to quit.|
Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Yes, except that Gambling addiction has nothing to do with your brain exploding or addictive chemicals being introduced to your system. How is this a hard concept to understand?
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Emotions are basically just chemicals your body produces rushing through your brain, such as endogenous morphine (endorphin). A gambling addict is not addicted to the gambling itself, but to the endorphins produced by his brain when he gambles. This is how some addicts will "quit" one addiction by substituting a different one. You might swap from gambling to running, and still be addicted to the same chemicals produced by your own body.
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Originally Posted by sleestack
I don't have enough faces or palms to /facepalm as much as this requires.
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Seriously. The Judge giving this joker ANY credit at all needs his head examined. I mean, seriously...How much? How much is this guy promising the Judge? Thats the only explanation I can come up with for cases like this going through...
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Some of these lawsuits are justified against NCSoft, as is the case with Richard Garriot v. NCSoft.|
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Why is it that is always seems NCSoft gets the most /facepalm worthy lawsuits?
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In this case it sounds like the guy may or may not have been gold selling, but was wronged regardless by NCSoft and is taking it out on NCSoft in legal fees. Since the subject at hand is Lineage II, I wholeheartedly agree that it deserves to burn and support this suit as ridiculous as it is in hopes that it does. Lineage II is a game of nothing but mindless grinds against constantly respawning world trash in hopes you can get more gold to be able to grind harder mobs, assuming someone doesn't gank you and steal the gear you spent half a year acquiring in less than a minutes time.
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I take it you've never played WoW. Or EVE. Or pratically any other MMO under the sun (barring CoX, from my experiences)|
Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski
Some of these lawsuits are justified against NCSoft, as is the case with Richard Garriot v. NCSoft.
In this case it sounds like the guy may or may not have been gold selling, but was wronged regardless by NCSoft and is taking it out on NCSoft in legal fees. Since the subject at hand is Lineage II, I wholeheartedly agree that it deserves to burn and support this suit as ridiculous as it is in hopes that it does. Lineage II is a game of nothing but mindless grinds against constantly respawning world trash in hopes you can get more gold to be able to grind harder mobs, assuming someone doesn't gank you and steal the gear you spent half a year acquiring in less than a minutes time. |
The guy is a blatant, real life troll. Its been proven that games can be addictive. What did he expect? That a magical pixie would come out and give him treats and cookies for...something? Seriously, the idiocy of the 'victim' is on galactic levels.
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Personally I've experienced many addictions and had a few myself... all of mine have been my own responsibility.... although.... |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Addiction is a positive feedback loop; in some cases, there is also negative feedback for trying to quit.
Emotions are basically just chemicals your body produces rushing through your brain, such as endogenous morphine (endorphin). A gambling addict is not addicted to the gambling itself, but to the endorphins produced by his brain when he gambles. This is how some addicts will "quit" one addiction by substituting a different one. You might swap from gambling to running, and still be addicted to the same chemicals produced by your own body. |
Someone in this thread needs to read this, then do some research on reality, then remove the twelve thousand pound deadlock from their inexperienced, ignorant, and wholly arrogant "point of view"...
I'll let you guys decide who.
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Apparently you're incapable of reading the very post that you quote, as I said that I had played Lineage II and it is by far the worst MMO of the many I have played.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I take it you've never played WoW. Or EVE. Or pratically any other MMO under the sun (barring CoX, from my experiences)
The guy is a blatant, real life troll. Its been proven that games can be addictive. What did he expect? That a magical pixie would come out and give him treats and cookies for...something? Seriously, the idiocy of the 'victim' is on galactic levels. |
I'm addicted to having money. Can I sue my company for not paying me enough?
Most Psychiatrists are quacks who invent disorders to justify their own existence. They then prescribe drugs to 'treat' a chemical imbalance in a person's brain that they say is there even though they haven't tested it and have no idea what the drugs will do.
Schizophrenia (and it's little brother, paranoia)
Multiple Personalities
Psychopathy and Sociopathy (i.e., being EVIL)
Retardation
REAL Bipolar Disorder (as in, uncontrollable rage followed by attempted suicide, not just using it as an excuse to be a weepy wuss and a huge jerk in the same sentence)
That's it. I do not believe in any other mental disorders. At all. Citing them does nothing against my argument because my argument is that they are not real.