Guy sounds like he has an axe to grind due to his ban for RMT.
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It's not as simple as that. Lots of recognised addictions don't involve any 'addictive substances'. Gambling, shopping, stealing, sex, ...
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Video games do not contain any addictive substance such as nicotine, and thus those that play video games are solely responsible for how much they play. Simple as that, end of story. This isn't heroin we're talking about, it's video games. Stupid, stupid litigious people. Why are they only in America? They're giving us a bad name.
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Hey, I wouldn't be fat if their food didn't make me fat! |
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This is as stupid as sueing McDonald's for making you fat.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Fixed that for you to better reflect your enabling attitude.|
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It's not as simple as that. Lots of recognised addictions don't involve any 'addictive substances'. Irresponsibility, stupidity, laziness, lack of self-control...
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Unless there is a physical addiction involved, people are responsible for their own actions. End. Of. Story.
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True. An extremely good example of addiction to a non-psychoactive substance is addiction to pain. It's basically the definition of masochism.|
Originally Posted by TrueMetal
It's not as simple as that. Lots of recognised addictions don't involve any 'addictive substances'. Gambling, shopping, stealing, sex, ...
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In other news, I have a confession to make. I am addicted to air, and I need all of you to give me an intervention.
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sadly the only common sense in society is a disproportionately huge sense of entitlement...
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Actually, I think there are several laws on the books that prevent suing forms of entertainment, including video game companies, for addiction related problems that might develop. It's about personality types, not the game itself. And technically, anything that offers an entertainment (pleasure stimulation) can lead to addiction depending on the person and how well they take to it. Heck, I'm addicted to Disneyland and have a pass to prove it. I go at least once a month. However, I feel that I am a rational reasoning adult and if I take a day from work to go then I must suffer the consequences, not Disney.
Now let's say I decide to sell my Annual Pass, a form of scalping. The back of the pass does state that this Voids the agreement just like the Eula states Selling of Goods for Reall World Currencies is a violation of the User Agreement. Can I sue Disney because I wasted all that time in their park and now I can't? Nope.
This person got caught and the case should have been thrown out. I have no idea what possessed the judge to let it carry forward, but a smart attorney will easily be able to get the appeal portion into dismissal.
Now if this involved some sort of food, inhalation, or liquid influx that caused an unknown form of addiction to creep up (along the lines of Tobacco or Alcohol) then the individual might have a case because it effected him phycially. Mental stimulation is a reaction that we can control and that is why the Entertainment Industry (sports, movies, televsion, music, video games, gambling) are protected and don't need Warning labels.
I do think, though, that NcSoft and other Video Game Companies (Not just MMO companies) may start putting cautionary labels to avoid future frivilous law suits. That's what casinos and the entire city of Las Vegas did.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
True. An extremely good example of addiction to a non-psychoactive substance is addiction to pain. It's basically the definition of masochism.
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Unless you are being physically forced, you are responsible for your own actions, no matter what lame excuse you and/or your shrink/lawyer can come up with. No exceptions.
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While I agree with your sentiments on taking personal responsibility, it's not quite as easy as your argument implies. Neuroscience is is showing us that while the idea of "just say no" may provide a nice (moronic) sound bite, it's what happens internally (generally neurological) that provides the driving force in compulsive/destructive bahavior that is related to but by no means exclusive to substance abuse. That's not being an enabler, that's science. I'm not suggesting that physiology negates responsibility (nor am I suggesting that the twinkie defense is valid). I am, however, suggesting that there are cases where willpower will never be enough - what's required is treatment (be it behavioral, medicinal, or otherwise). Bottom line, if your brain isn't physically operating in a normal or healthy manner (whether your problem is with heroin or gambling), no amount willpower, responsibility taking or forum post bravado will fix it.
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Fixed that for you to better reflect your enabling attitude.
Unless there is a physical addiction involved, people are responsible for their own actions. End. Of. Story. Oh, I'm sorry you gambled your home away, but they were holding a gun to your head. What? Oh, they weren't? Then buzz of, it's your own fault. |
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More excuses. People will say or do anything to get out of the consequences of their actions. Humans have this thing called "free will", and nothing trumps it. Nothing. If someone truly cared about what was at stake and wanted to stop, they would. But they don't care, and then they expect everyone else to fix their lives. It doesn't work that way! You screw up your life, you fix it.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
While I agree with your sentiments on taking personal responsibility, it's not quite as easy as your argument implies. Neuroscience is is showing us that while the idea of "just say no" may provide a nice (moronic) sound bite, it's what happens internally (generally neurological) that provides the driving force in compulsive/destructive bahavior that is related to but by no means exclusive to substance abuse. That's not being an enabler, that's science. I'm not suggesting that physiology negates responsibility (nor am I suggesting that the twinkie defense is valid). I am, however, suggesting that there are cases where willpower will never be enough - what's required is treatment (be it behavioral, medicinal, or otherwise). Bottom line, if your brain isn't physically operating in a normal or healthy manner (whether your problem is with heroin or gambling), no amount willpower, responsibility taking or forum post bravado will fix it.
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The point is, it's STILL not the 'addicting' game's fault. If anything, the most you could blame is the addicted person's physiology.|
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
While I agree with your sentiments on taking personal responsibility, it's not quite as easy as your argument implies. Neuroscience is is showing us that while the idea of "just say no" may provide a nice (moronic) sound bite, it's what happens internally (generally neurological) that provides the driving force in compulsive/destructive bahavior that is related to but by no means exclusive to substance abuse. That's not being an enabler, that's science. I'm not suggesting that physiology negates responsibility (nor am I suggesting that the twinkie defense is valid). I am, however, suggesting that there are cases where willpower will never be enough - what's required is treatment (be it behavioral, medicinal, or otherwise). Bottom line, if your brain isn't physically operating in a normal or healthy manner (whether your problem is with heroin or gambling), no amount willpower, responsibility taking or forum post bravado will fix it.
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This isn't a physical addiction. So it's more or less the addicted person's brain having a malfunction.
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I've gotta agree with MoMC here. People keep finding new excuses to basically justify poor behavior. It's ridiculous. Everyone's really so stupid and lazy they can't be bothered to put forth a little effort to stop their destructive behavior?
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What I am saying is that physiological dysfunction is physiological dysfunction. For the record, I think that the lawsuit that prompted this thread is horseshit. The exception I'm taking with your line of reasoning is that you're essentially writing off people who have legitimate maladies, and that's not cool.
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
More excuses. People will say or do anything to get out of the consequences of their actions. Humans have this thing called "free will", and nothing trumps it. Nothing. If someone truly cared about what was at stake and wanted to stop, they would. But they don't care, and then they expect everyone else to fix their lives. It doesn't work that way! You screw up your life, you fix it.
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"Legitimate" is subjective. Lack of self-control is lack of self-control. Every person has a choice. You're claiming that humans are nothing more than slaves to things they can't control. I'm saying that that line of thought is detestable and also incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
What I am saying is that physiological dysfunction is physiological dysfunction. For the record, I think that the lawsuit that prompted this thread is horseshit. The exception I'm taking with your line of reasoning is that you're essentially writing off people who have legitimate maladies, and that's not cool.
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That's an extremely naive viewpoint. Sure, there are people who can quit smoking cold turkey. But true addiction creates a physical dependence on the substance or behavior. In some cases, forcibly ceasing the addiction (through willpower or intervention) can actually be hazardous.|
Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Humans have this thing called "free will", and nothing trumps it. Nothing.
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While my comment about being addicted to air was a joke, the point isn't completely off the mark. Someone with an addiction does, in fact, create real dependencies that you can't simply will away. A smoker may have the will to throw away his pack of cigs, but that doesn't fix the alterations his brain has made which require the chemicals from the cigarettes to continue to function.
Fuzzy Kitten's post was excellent on the subject of the addictions. I agree that the game or the casino isn't at fault for the behavioral addiction of the customer*, but the addict can't necessarily "just say no". Yes, the lawsuit should be thrown out, but the addict deserves appropriate treatment, as well.
* Producers of products containing known psychoactive substances are another matter, in my mind.
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Did you not read my earlier posts? I already excepted psychoactive substances from my blanket condemnation. I condemn them for even using the stuff in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
That's an extremely naive viewpoint. Sure, there are people who can quit smoking cold turkey. But true addiction creates a physical dependence on the substance or behavior. In some cases, forcibly ceasing the addiction (through willpower or intervention) can actually be hazardous.
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Oh really, so someone with diabetes/cancer/hypertension/bipolar disorder/etc. should just be able to will his/her body/mind to health because, as you so eloquently put it, we all have a choice? If you think that humans can't be slaves to things that they can't control, I sincerely invite you to take a walk through either a mental ward or a hospice ward in your local hospital - tell the patients there that they simply aren't exercising their freedom of choice well enough. My point here (as it has been prior) is not the defense of ******* who are looking for any excuse they can find to justify poor behavior. It's just that you seem to be lumping the ******* in with folks who are genuinely ill and calling them all dregs.
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
"Legitimate" is subjective. Lack of self-control is lack of self-control. Every person has a choice. You're claiming that humans are nothing more than slaves to things they can't control. I'm saying that that line of thought is detestable and also incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
Did you not read my earlier posts? I already excepted psychoactive substances from my blanket condemnation. I condemn them for even using the stuff in the first place.
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^ That, right there. There are true addictions out there, true enough, but they can be overcome by willpower and proper help. Just because you have an addiction doesn't mean you get to wallow in it and blame others for something you did. You purchased the weed, you lit it up, and you smoked it. And now you can march your happy self to a rehab center and get help....no suing allowed.
Things like gaming, gambling, and sex addiction, however are total bull and one can stop at any time of their choosing, and just choose not to. I have a caffine addiction, but I'm not suing Dr. Pepper over it, I'm not blaming the grocery store for letting me buy it. I can stop at any time I please....I may get a massive headache, but I can stop at any time.
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There's a world of difference between being a compulsive gambler (i.e., moron) and HAVING CANCER. That thought you just typed is so, for lack of a better word, stupid, that I refuse to believe it was unintentional.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
Oh really, so someone with diabetes/cancer/hypertension/bipolar disorder/etc. should just be able to will his/her body/mind to health because, as you so eloquently put it, we all have a choice? If you think that humans can't be slaves to things that they can't control, I sincerely invite you to take a walk through either a mental ward or a hospice ward in your local hospital - tell the patients there that they simply aren't exercising their freedom of choice well enough. My point here (as it has been prior) is not the defense of ******* who are looking for any excuse they can find to justify poor behavior. It's just that you seem to be lumping the ******* in with folks who are genuinely ill and calling them all dregs.
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Once considered a character defect, gambling is now known to be a highly addictive disorder with neurological causes. Thanks to new advances in brain imaging, scientists are beginning to identify the neural mechanisms that go awry in the brains of pathological and problem gamblers. What they're learning from such research is also shedding light on how these same mechanisms determine individual risk tolerance - and influence the financial choices we all make throughout our lives.|
Originally Posted by Night-Hawk07
...Things like gaming, gambling, and sex addiction, however are total bull and one can stop at any time of their choosing, and just choose not to. I have a caffine addiction, but I'm not suing Dr. Pepper over it, I'm not blaming the grocery store for letting me buy it. I can stop at any time I please....I may get a massive headache, but I can stop at any time.
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Full article at the Society for Neuroscience: http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagena...fings_gambling
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Originally Posted by Manofmanychars
There's a world of difference between being a compulsive gambler (i.e., moron) and HAVING CANCER. That thought you just typed is so, for lack of a better word, stupid, that I refuse to believe it was unintentional.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Kittens
Once considered a character defect, gambling is now known to be a highly addictive disorder with neurological causes. Thanks to new advances in brain imaging, scientists are beginning to identify the neural mechanisms that go awry in the brains of pathological and problem gamblers. What they're learning from such research is also shedding light on how these same mechanisms determine individual risk tolerance - and influence the financial choices we all make throughout our lives.
Full article at the Society for Neuroscience: http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagena...fings_gambling My claim was that you're unfairly grouping those with pathology in with jerks. Pathology is pathology, regardless of whether or not you, personally, believe it. Again, in the case of the lawsuit that prompted this thread - bogus. |
Schizophrenia (and it's little brother, paranoia)
Multiple Personalities
Psychopathy and Sociopathy (i.e., being EVIL)
Retardation
REAL Bipolar Disorder (as in, uncontrollable rage followed by attempted suicide, not just using it as an excuse to be a weepy wuss and a huge jerk in the same sentence)
That's it. I do not believe in any other mental disorders. At all. Citing them does nothing against my argument because my argument is that they are not real.
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Doesn't matter if you believe in them...if science is showing that there is something wrong in the wiring of someone that becomes addicted to a behavior...well...science trumps your personal beliefs, imo.
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The following are the only legitimate mental disorders, every other is just an excuse to enable bad behavior:
Schizophrenia (and it's little brother, paranoia) Multiple Personalities Psychopathy and Sociopathy (i.e., being EVIL) Retardation REAL Bipolar Disorder (as in, uncontrollable rage followed by attempted suicide, not just using it as an excuse to be a weepy wuss and a huge jerk in the same sentence) That's it. I do not believe in any other mental disorders. At all. Citing them does nothing against my argument because my argument is that they are not real. |
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Doesn't matter if you believe in them...if science is showing that there is something wrong in the wiring of someone that becomes addicted to a behavior...well...science trumps your personal beliefs, imo.
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