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Maybe I'm being thick but shouldn't there be a Market Interface screen in the middle of that picture somewhere?|
Originally Posted by eryq2
Ok, without name calling, flaming, hate, imma try this again just for giggles. Im 2 hours into a farming and selling profits infl cap goal. Just to see how many hours farming and selling drops it would take to hit the cap. No market schemes other than listing and selling drops. Via WW or vendor depending on which pays the most. Im not listing each run how many items fell. Its about the same each time.
Recipes, salvage almost full each run. Mostly commons, a couple yellow, and so on. In 9 runs ive gotten 4 purples to fall. More purples than orange recipes and orange arent the rare ones.  Heres a pic of what ive sold stuff for. (not including the pvp recipe)  |
Or the Market Chat window which shows your transactions or something. As is it's a picture of you standing in Wentworths, there's no indication of what you've sold or for how much.
Carnifax has a valid point. From the picture you posted we cannot know the source of your influence.
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I'm interested in seeing how the experiment plays out. I'd certainly like to learn a little more about how farming works in CoH. I love skishing massive spawns on an AoE scrapper. What type of map do you use? I'm finding all the ones I search for are not optimized for ticket drops in the latest revision of the Architect, and end up giving piddly rewards for a LOT of effort.
I can back him up on this one. He had screenshots detailing what sold in the last thread. I think I accidentally nuked that thread by posting personal details when called out, but the influence he's showing there was earned legit.
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I'm curious to see how this goes as well. It should be interesting, provided that eryq2 provides details of his experiences (both good & bad) and doesn't let his historical bias against the market affect the results.|
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I'm interested in seeing how the experiment plays out.
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Those of us who have some experience farming know all too well that drop rates are random and a couple good runs are not nearly as common as a whole bunch of runs with worthless drops. There's also been some excellent prior analyses of pure influence earning rates from farming done in the Market forum before.
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Well, if you don't like it, don't look at it or post on it. Easy. Most of the posts in this section are about the same thing anyway, just from "buddies". So, go away.
As far as the other questions/comments.
I farm a BM map. (a warrior village on wifes account, but same baddies) I have it set at 0x8 to maximize speed. I set it to +2,3 or 4 x8 to PL each account. I either use a fire/kin or an elec/sd. I actually have a fire/kin on the other account as well for farming.
The items i sold were the 4 purples listed on the other SS, plus the LotG and a Numina that had dropped.
Yes, drops are random, but since ive been farming, i never go more than a couple days without a purple drop. But to be honest, i think AE farming actually pays off more due to the amount of recipes that you can get. It's far more than the 3-5 IO drops per farm map.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Ok, without name calling, flaming, hate,
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Well, if you don't like it, don't look at it or post on it. Easy. Most of the posts in this section are about the same thing anyway, just from "buddies". So, go away.
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Who had seven in the pool?
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Actually you can look up a couple posts. It's funny. EVERYONE else can make all the nasty comments, name calling, and everything else, BUT when i reply to it, it gets deleted or commented on by people like you. |
Originally Posted by Brillig
So I guess the initial resolution only lasted seven posts.
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I left a normal post. With a pic. And Nether, and Emberly left unneeded comments. When i reply, OH, LOOK... Eryq left a mean comment. And i'm the one called ignorant. Go figure....
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All things considered I dont think his response is really in the trolling, hate-filled rhetoric, name-calling category. Rereading the hostile responses (deserved or not is immaterial) its actually pretty understandable.|
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So I guess the initial resolution only lasted seven posts.
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All things considered I dont think his response is really in the trolling, hate-filled rhetoric, name-calling category. Rereading the hostile responses (deserved or not is immaterial) its actually pretty understandable.
--Frog |
He's the one who wanted to start a snark-free thread. Regardless of other people's responses (and I do agree, he was provoked), the only actions he can control are his own.
If he's going to make a big deal out of it, he may as well set an example.
Big deal? I just said, go away. Its all good. Either way. I said what i had to. I was just showing a pic of the influence after that purples from the other screenice sold. Figure it was obvious, guess not. lol.
It may get deleted too, though. I dont care. Ill post another as i near teh cap from farming and selling the drops. Im curious, too, how long itll take. Then imma try it via AE. Id be willing to wager itll be alot faster thru AE though.
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Suggestions of how things can be done better, or problems with your demonstrated method interfering with your stated goal are not 'unneeded' comments. Telling people who are trying to help that they're unneeded... well, that's pretty unneeded.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
I left a normal post. With a pic. And Nether, and Emberly left unneeded comments. When i reply, OH, LOOK... Eryq left a mean comment. And i'm the one called ignorant. Go figure....
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Without the market interface and/or some detail of transactions, the picture is pretty much just decoration.
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I left a normal post. With a pic. And Nether, and Emberly left unneeded comments.
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I notice Nethers and Emberlys posts are both gone...I think someone else defines unneeded differently than you. Now hopefully we can offer constructive criticism on how to improve his experiment in the same tone this sub forum offered constructive criticism to Nether, Fulmens, Fury et al when they did their experiments.
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Suggestions of how things can be done better, or problems with your demonstrated method interfering with your stated goal are not 'unneeded' comments. Telling people who are trying to help that they're unneeded... well, that's pretty unneeded.
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ours were offered in the the genuine sprit of exploration.|
Originally Posted by Frogfather
I notice Nethers and Emberlys posts are both gone...I think someone else defines unneeded differently than you. Now hopefully we can offer constructive criticism on how to improve his experiment in the same tone this sub forum offered constructive criticism to Nether, Fulmens, Fury et al when they did their experiments.
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this one is offered in the same spirit as the original thread which was disappeared.
feel free to pay attention if you like, but there isn't much point to this kind of thing unless it's documented in a meaningful manner. "Here are some numbers alongside an unrelated screenshot which shoes nothing useful" isn't meaningful documentation.
Any post on a forum carries with it the history of the poster.
Whether the weight of that history helps or hinders the author is decided by their past actions.
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Well, i didn't say "heres a guide", or "this is the best way to hit the cap". I said, i was going to see how fast i could hit the cap via farming. Not by using market schemes to make inf. Because not everyone uses niches to make money. (or maybe im the only one that doesn't, who knows) |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
ours were offered in the the genuine sprit of exploration.
this one is offered in the same spirit as the original thread which was disappeared. feel free to pay attention if you like, but there isn't much point to this kind of thing unless it's documented in a meaningful manner. "Here are some numbers alongside an unrelated screenshot which shoes nothing useful" isn't meaningful documentation. Any post on a forum carries with it the history of the poster. Whether the weight of that history helps or hinders the author is decided by their past actions. |
I didn't know i was gonna be questioned so much about "pics or it didnt happen". Im an honest person as my previous pics have shown. Wether or not people like my opinions are beside the point. So, after i was, i posted pics of the purples that had dropped. Then the influence after they had sold. I guess i can take a pic in the mish as soon as one drops. Then in WW, then as it sells. I didnt think everyone wanted to see all that. Guess i was wrong. Color me informed.
Noone makes anyone reply if they dont like what i say they are free to move along...
Putting aside my other problems with this, here's some advice on starting this experiment.
Mail all your inf to another character and start fresh. Your experiment was begun because you got a good run of drops, which has skewed your results. Start again and record your drops; analyze them for drop rates and report those drop rates so people can see that they are in line with what others have already reported. This will lend some amount of credibility to your results. Don't fail to report the time that you spend not getting purple drops and earning only ten million an hour. Don't count drop values until they are sold. Don't come in and say well I farmed for an hour and got ten purples when in reality you farmed for four hours, got one purple and it was a confuse. Record things.
You've got an uphill climb ahead of you, because your known bias against the market leads others to suspect you of bias in reporting and skew in your results. To counter this, provide a high level of useful documentation. If you are unwilling to do this, then you might as well not start, because the experiment won't show anything at all.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Well, i didn't say "heres a guide", or "this is the best way to hit the cap". I said, i was going to see how fast i could hit the cap via farming.
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The documentation is what gives these types of demonstartions weight and makes them useful additions to the sphere of forum knowledge.
Documentation is especially helpful in the case of a poster like yourself who has an axe to grind.
The mere appearance of subterfuge in such a case will be taken as fact by many people familiar with your posting history.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Maybe I'm being thick but shouldn't there be a Market Interface screen in the middle of that picture somewhere?
Or the Market Chat window which shows your transactions or something. As is it's a picture of you standing in Wentworths, there's no indication of what you've sold or for how much. |
Did you sell the recipes crafted or just the recipes themselves? Did you make good on your promise of selling at below market prices?
Right now, I can't tell whether whether you sold the purples you showed in the earlier screenshots or simply emailed yourself influence to an approximation of what you want us to see. Sorry, but given your reputation, I just can't take your word at it. That's not trying to be mean: you do have an anti-market history.
Further, scientific method demands objectivity. If you go into an experiment with an expected result, often times such experiments become forgone conclusions. In the end, you haven't proved anything. Like the others said, documentation will mean everything. The best way to prove your point is to document everything without bias. That's the only way it will be credible.
I see what you guys are saying.
I can but wont start over. I emptied everything before i did the first time. Even listed how many of each drops i got and what they were of. It dont matter how many pics i provide, people can still fudge stuff. I could simply transfer purples from another toon to mine then take a pic of it. I have enough in a bin to do that for a week or better. Some things are just gonna come from trust and if my pics havent proved im not a liar to you, then dont look or reply any more. Easy.
1 Rag sold for 120mil
1 Rag sold for 190mil
1 Confuse sold for 15mil
1 LotG sold for 20mil
Like i said before. I use WW everyday. I don't have an issue with WW, just how people keep trying to squeeze every last drop of inf that they can out of people, knowing how few pieces already exist. Bottom line, we need more stuff on the market, imo.
You speak of credibility, but when people come in here listing ways to inflate rates or play with the market its all good. And if someone disagrees or has a different opinion, 'uh oh, circle the wagons, their trying to stop our income'.
And Emberly. It wasnt start because i got a purple drop. I get them all week, every week. How else would someone that don't flip, don't use niches, purple toons, make billions of inf? Buy it? Meh, please. I can't afford to spend more than the 30 amonth with 1 income, 2 kids while wife is in school. I transfered 1.7bil to wifes toon and started running farms. I can post a pic of her toon with the inf just mentinoed if youd like.
You're more than welcome to run your experiment that way, just don't expect it to have much credibility.
While I understand any reluctance to start over again just to take more screenshots with the market interface and the rest of it, it doesn't prove anything to just say "I sold x for y inf".
It's not a question of calling you a liar, (or at least imo it shouldn't be), it's just a question of requiring sufficient proof to justify your claims. If you want to document how long it took you to reach 1b just farming and selling drops for reasonable* amounts, then you've gotta show how much you're selling things for.
If you're not willing to start over, (which again, I understand), you can at least continue the experiment with more documentation.
*not getting into this
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Well, you know the internet thing "pics or it didn't happen". That's what this is all about, I mean, we'd question the credibility of a pure marketeering diary, too, if it didn't have any pictures in it. It's the same for any other kind of experiment, the credibility it holds is exactly or very close to zero (depending on the author mostly) if the documentation is lacking or doesn't exist.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
I see what you guys are saying.
I can but wont start over. I emptied everything before i did the first time. Even listed how many of each drops i got and what they were of. It dont matter how many pics i provide, people can still fudge stuff. I could simply transfer purples from another toon to mine then take a pic of it. I have enough in a bin to do that for a week or better. Some things are just gonna come from trust and if my pics havent proved im not a liar to you, then dont look or reply any more. Easy. |
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Altogether I think Silas summed up what I was going to say, but repetition is the mother of learning. And I still need to up my post count somehow...
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I see this circus repeatedly referred to as an experiment.
What, exactly, is the hypothesis here? What are we trying to determine?
Farming makes inf? Farming gets drops? Farming takes you to the inf cap? Things can be sold at WW for inf?
Indisputable facts aren't normally tested experimentally, but maybe I'm just missing the point.
Eryq, you love farming, you're thrilled with your results from farming, and you've piqued some others interest in improving their own farming techniques: why not just write a farming guide?
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Originally Posted by eryq2
I don't have an issue with WW, just how people keep trying to squeeze every last drop of inf that they can out of people, knowing how few pieces already exist. Bottom line, we need more stuff on the market, imo.
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The way you get more stuff on the market is you encourage marketeers.
Think about it. I've just made maybe 10M inf crafting lowish-level common enhancements (recharge reduction, end reduction, damage) redside. Buy masterwork weapons, iron, and the pattern for a level 30 damage IO for maybe 15k total, sell the IO for 500k.
Every time I do this:
* The price of damage IOs drops (because supply went up)
* The value to sellers of their generic salvage increases (because demand went up)
I'm helping both buyers and sellers, by providing a service.
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Justifiably so, I think.
Ok, without name calling, flaming, hate, imma try this again just for giggles. Im 2 hours into a farming and selling profits infl cap goal. Just to see how many hours farming and selling drops it would take to hit the cap. No market schemes other than listing and selling drops. Via WW or vendor depending on which pays the most. Im not listing each run how many items fell. Its about the same each time.
Recipes, salvage almost full each run. Mostly commons, a couple yellow, and so on. In 9 runs ive gotten 4 purples to fall. More purples than orange recipes and orange arent the rare ones.
Heres a pic of what ive sold stuff for. (not including the pvp recipe)