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The 'goat can definitely turn a phrase. Or to put it another way "he's got a purty mouth".
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Originally Posted by RagManX
As a poster who puts up much quote-worthy material, this is one of your finest.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I think I have a new marketeer.
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Originally Posted by Ignatz
Freakonomics
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@Roderick
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Got it. People who use the market differently from you are the enemy.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
I don't have an issue with WW, just how people keep trying to squeeze every last drop of inf that they can out of people, knowing how few pieces already exist.
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| You speak of credibility, but when people come in here listing ways to inflate rates or play with the market its all good. And if someone disagrees or has a different opinion, 'uh oh, circle the wagons, their trying to stop our income'. |
(Overlooking the fact that your comments make it clear you don't understand how the market works anway.)
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Yea, basically. If thats what you want to think. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Got it. People who use the market differently from you are the enemy.
Because we've never seen anyone around here criticize people for doing things differently.... oh, wait. (Overlooking the fact that your comments make it clear you don't understand how the market works anway.) |
And yea, im sure if 300 people are bidding and you have the only one and the last 5 sold for 20mil, youre going to list it for less. You may, but i don't believe it. It's probably going up for 30mil just to make a little bit extra because the 20mil isnt good enough. I know exactly how 'some' people use the market.
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is that really the best defense of your position you can come up with?|
Originally Posted by eryq2
Yea, basically. If thats what you want to think. Have a great day. LOL>
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huh.
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If someone's willing to pay a given price, what possible criticism can be leveled at someone selling for that price?
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Yea, basically. If thats what you want to think.
And yea, im sure if 300 people are bidding and you have the only one and the last 5 sold for 20mil, youre going to list it for less. You may, but i don't believe it. It's probably going up for 30mil just to make a little bit extra because the 20mil isnt good enough. I know exactly how 'some' people use the market. |
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I believe the logic is that they are not actually willing to pay that price, but are being forced to do so if they want to get the enhancement.
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Originally Posted by Emberly
If someone's willing to pay a given price, what possible criticism can be leveled at someone selling for that price?
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I laugh at this theory every time I list something for tens of millions less than it sells for.
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Originally Posted by heffroncm
I believe the logic is that they are not actually willing to pay that price, but are being forced to do so if they want to get the enhancement.
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I remember emptying my VG bins and posting hundreds of enhancements - CIs, Red Fortunes, Efficacy adaptors and the like - for less than half a million each (the characters didn't have money on them to post large fees), and left 'em alone. None sold instantly, and they all sold for 5-8 million each.
So I wasn't throwing them into the teeth of low-roll bids. But for some reason, people were willing to pay tens of times what I asked them to pay for them. Isn't that weird?
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I think the further theory is that the ebil marketeers have so manipulated and inflated prices for so long, that the average gamer has been brainwashed into paying whatever the "going rate" is without even trying to bid lower, and it is the seller's responsibility in some way to make them spend less money.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I laugh at this theory every time I list something for tens of millions less than it sells for.
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Time for some storytelling...
A few months back I decided I wanted the Power Seller badge (sell 7000 items) on my main. The easiest way to do this I came up with was to put bids on ~200 common salvage in the morning and put them for sale in the evening. Some days I did this process twice if I had time, and altogether it took me about two weeks to get it. Now for the relevant part...
I used Demonic Threat Reports as the high-volume item to get my sales, and I bid every time 111 on each of them. That's 1110 influence for a stack of 10, and I always got my stacks in a few hours at most. To ensure I'd get my sales fast, I always listed them back at 1 influence. The amount of influence I could possibly lose in this badging process was so little I didn't care if I made a loss of 110 influence per item, when we're talking about a loss of ~700k influence at worst. The funny thing about this was that I actually ended up making about two million profit off of it. Even though I listed everything at the lowest possible rate.
Guess it's not us marketeers making people pay more than they have to, but the people themselves who WANT. STUF. NAO!
eryq, before you rush in and say the price range is so little this is in no way relevant, I'd encourage you to ask other marketeers whether this happens with higher price items as well. Just saying this because it VERY often happens to me, for example, if I list my stock up for ~15mil most of the time every single piece sells for 20mil or more.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
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Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
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Oh no, not weird. They've obviously been conditioned by "bad, greedy people" into always paying that price.|
Originally Posted by Talen Lee
So I wasn't throwing them into the teeth of low-roll bids. But for some reason, people were willing to pay tens of times what I asked them to pay for them. Isn't that weird?
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Someone is MAKING THEM pay that price. Like, actual physical forcing them to pay. Im in the rotation next week to fly around the world and twist arms to make them pay. AND PAY THEY WILL!! MWAH HA HA HA!!
"And I swear to effing god, that community is .01% nethergoat-level smart and 99.99% completely fascinating varieties of turd-licking idiots" -Talen Lee
To get back on topic, does anyone know if eryq has made any progress? I'm getting the feeling that his experiment is discontinued, and if it isn't I wonder what's going on. After all, he has claimed that he farms quite a bit, so a reported two hours within a week (?) is a bit strange.
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
My Katana/Inv Guide
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
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Okay, if that's what you want to believe. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
Guess it's not us marketeers making people pay more than they have to, but the people themselves who WANT. STUF. NAO!
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Shush, don't reveal our mass brainwash conspiracy to anyone!|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Okay, if that's what you want to believe.
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On to more related news: today I posted a Grav Anchor: Immob/Rech (constructed) on the market for 19.1mil influence (last 5 ranging from 17.5mil to 35mil, quite random) and 15 minutes later someone bought it for 40mil. They didn't even try!
Brainwash working as intended... Mwahahaha!
- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
My Katana/Inv Guide
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
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I bet he already hit the cap but realized his amazing farming efficiency coupled with shoddy documentation would post more questions than it answered, so he declared victory and moved on.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
To get back on topic, does anyone know if eryq has made any progress? I'm getting the feeling that his experiment is discontinued, and if it isn't I wonder what's going on. After all, he has claimed that he farms quite a bit, so a reported two hours within a week (?) is a bit strange.
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My City Was Gone
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Heh. Wouldn't surprise me if he suddenly came around the corner all guns blazing! |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I bet he already hit the cap but realized his amazing farming efficiency coupled with shoddy documentation would post more questions than it answered, so he declared victory and moved on.
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- @DSorrow - alts on Union and Freedom mostly -
Currently playing as Castigation on Freedom
My Katana/Inv Guide
Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -Einstein
RagManX
"if the market were religion Fulmens would be Moses and you'd be L. Ron Hubbard. " --Nethergoat to eryq2
The economy is not broken. The players are