Stealthy heroes possible?


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So, apart from "wait for Going Rogue", if I wanted to have a hero who stealthed into things, how would I go about it? I sort of enjoy Stalker play, but for various reasons, I'd like to make the hypothetical character on blue side. I really like sneaking around, scouting things, and then pulling things after I've planned them out a bit. Options so far:

* Blaster with /devices for cloaking device (and possibly also concealment power pool)
* Ill controller for invisibility
* Just about anything with concealment power pool

Have I missed something? Is this just unviable? Obviously, my interest here is in no small part in soloing things -- I find doing that on a stalker pretty relaxing, because I'm not (usually) in any hurry to clear a mission, I'm just doing it for fun, and sneaking around and setting up fights is a kind of fun.


 

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Dark Armor for Tankers and Scrappers has a stealth effect in it. As does the Dark Primary for Defenders.

There's also a few Stealth IOs.


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Any two of the following:

* In-set stealth power (Cloaking Device, Steamy Mist, etc.)
* Pool stealth (though please note that this does not stack in-set stealth powers except for Hide)
* Stealth IO
* Super Speed


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Thanks! I'd missed the Dark Armor set, that'll help. Not sure super speed will fit, but I can make something happen.


 

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Smoke grenades help.


 

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I think warshades have an in set stealth too, but it's been a while since I played mine.


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Originally Posted by Tsuji View Post
I think warshades have an in set stealth too, but it's been a while since I played mine.
Indeed: Shadow Cloak.

My Warshade spends most of his time in Nova form, though. But I have a Stealh IO slotted in his Nova form to be an even more ghostly squid.


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If it helps, I'd actually made an energy/energy blaster who had the stealth pool and a stealth IO.

She would creep up fairly close, build-up and take out one target with the snipe, and the next with power burst.

But for sneaking about and checking out a situation before attacking, devices all the way. It's practically designed for a careful, methodical playstyle.
Move about with cloaking device, prepare the area of combat with caltrops, trip mines, etc, then launch your attack.


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[quote]Blaster with /devices for cloaking device (and possibly also concealment power pool)[/quote

this will not work the way you think. cloaking device will not work with any other stealth powers. it will work with a stealth io and the stealth you get from super speed though.


 

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So, Stealth IOs... At what level can they be gotten? What can they be slotted in? I'm afraid I haven't been able to find this with a couple of casual searches.


 

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Yeah, the game is a little oddly particular about "what stacks and what doesn't" with Stealth.

If I remember, two Steamy Mists from two different teammates stack with one Stealth power of your own.

For solo play, it's a max of "one from A, one from B, and one from C" where A is a Stealth IO, B is Superspeed, and C is [I think] EVERY OTHER POWER IN THE GAME THAT GIVES STEALTH. Base enhancement might be column D- I'm not sure. Two stacked stealths will let you stand on an Archon's toes.

There are some critters that have improved senses, and others that ignore stealth entirely. Yeah, NPC's cheat, but they're butt stupid. It all works out.


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Originally Posted by seebs View Post
So, Stealth IOs... At what level can they be gotten? What can they be slotted in? I'm afraid I haven't been able to find this with a couple of casual searches.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancem...ts#Travel_Sets

You can only slot one, from any set. Sprint takes both Celerity and Unbounded Leap, which a lot of people don't realize; Unbounded Leap was a lot cheaper last I looked.


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Hmm, so, if I get one of those IOs, whenever I use the power it's bound to, I get stealth also with it? But only some powers can take those, I guess. And it can't be put in an auto power, just toggles or instants.

With a toggle, is it stealth while the power is on plus 120 seconds, or only stealth after toggling the other power off?


 

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With a toggle, is it stealth while the power is on plus 120 seconds, or only stealth after toggling the other power off?
Stealth while on and for 120 seconds after the toggle's turned off.


 

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I'd give a nod to Mind Controllers. While you don't have an inherent source of steatlh, once you do (from IO's, SS, or stealth powers) you can move through missions coupling it with three aggro free powers: Confuse, Mass Hypnosis, and Mass Confusion. Often times you can lock down spawns with absolutely no retaliation.


 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
Base enhancement might be column D- I'm not sure.
Yeah, you can call it column D. I've stacked it with stealth IO and Cloaking device. It's 25' of stealth that doesn't suppress. If you have a hostage to escort, it interferes terribly with that.


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My Archery/Dev Blaster has Cloaking Device and the jump stealth IO in Combat Jumping. Since the only time I do not have Combat Jumping toggled on is when I am Super Jumping, I spend most of my time with complete invisibility.


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Originally Posted by seebs View Post
* Blaster with /devices for cloaking device (and possibly also concealment power pool)
Just an FYI, Cloaking Device and the Concealment pool are mutually exclusive, you can only use one at a time.

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My Archery/Dev Blaster has Cloaking Device and the jump stealth IO in Hurdle. Since the only time I do not have Hurdle toggled on is when I am Super Jumping, I spend most of my time with complete invisibility.
You can also put it in sprint if you want to save a slot in Combat Jumping (which I assume is what you meant since Hurdle can't take set IOs).


 

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My Archery/Dev Blaster has Cloaking Device and the jump stealth IO in Hurdle. Since the only time I do not have Hurdle toggled on is when I am Super Jumping, I spend most of my time with complete invisibility.
I'm going to clarify here that you're probably talking about Combat Jumping. Hurdle is not a toggle, and can not take any set IOs.


 

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Also, look into maintaining a stock of temp powers: Smoke grenade, Ethereal phase (or whateveer it's called), the PvP stealth powers... Just an idea.


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This is totally doable. In fact, my first to-50 character was a scrapper who had no travel powers. Instead, they used Stealth and, later, Phase Shift to get around. With the Stealth IOs, it's a hell of a lot easier nowadays to not only get stealth, but to get mission-perfect PVE stealth. The IO plus ANY stealth power will make you invisible to everything except turrets, giant monsters, and snipers.

Right now the character uses Stealth + a stealth IO in Hover, and I stealth through pretty much every mission I can, just because I'd rather get on with the story arcs than mess about endlessly fighting. The only trouble is with stealth-piercers (Rikti drones, fortunata, et cetera), but those can be a fun challenge (and sometimes I just hover over them, or teleport past them).

Between stealth IO enhancements and jetpacks, not only is a any-AT stealth character doable nowadays, but a travel power-less one as well.


 

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Originally Posted by Zandock View Post
I'm going to clarify here that you're probably talking about Combat Jumping. Hurdle is not a toggle, and can not take any set IOs.
For a short while after I9 was released Hurdle and Swift allowed enhancement sets, which meant people could slot stealth IOs in those powers. Of course, people realized that interfered with hostage missions, so the ability to slot sets was removed but those characters who had stealth IOs in those powers were not forced to respec. Basically they're grandfathered in - if a character with such slotting were to respec, they wouldn't be able to slot that IO in that power anymore, but as long as they don't respec it will function.


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Originally Posted by seebs View Post
* Ill controller for invisibility
Hey, Superior Invisibility gives a better stealth radius than a Stalker's Hide does. It's is strictly the best stealth power in the game.


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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele View Post
Also, look into maintaining a stock of temp powers: Smoke grenade, Ethereal phase (or whateveer it's called), the PvP stealth powers... Just an idea.
Also there is the Midnighter's Visage which is perfect Stealth, the Arachnos costume from the Faultline Arc which is perfect Stealth, and there is a stealth shout temp you get from bank missions.


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The midnighter and arachnos costumes are only stealth vs midnighters and arachnos respectively, though. Anything else will see you just fine and proceed to attempt to beat the stuffing out of you.

Also worth noting since I haven't seen it mentioned is the stealth effect of superspeed only applies against mobs, if you're planning on PvP at all be aware that superspeed gives no stealth against other players.


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