I > Team

Eh, this is a subject I'm kinda torn on. On the one hand...

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect So, before complaining that a scrapper is running off on their own, consider the situation first. If the team is killing stuff so fast that the scrapper never gets to attack anything, they are probably getting frustrated and bored, and letting them go find stuff to fight is A) letting the scrapper feel like they're contributing, and B) actually the best use of that scrapper's abilities. Forcing that scrapper to remain with the team when they never get to hit anything is both unfair for the scrapper, and slowing the team down because that person isn't getting the opportunity to contribute their share of damage.

In situations like this, yeah, I fully support people breaking off on their own. It is so boring to play any sort of damage/mezz/debuff character on a team where spawns melt in three seconds. There are very few cases where I don't think teams should try splitting into two, since any random grab-bag of people you happen to get will probably have at least two characters capable of taking alphas and keeping the spawns under control. Basically, if the team can handle it, go for it.

But that's "if the team can handle it." Not if you, personally, can handle one spawn but the rest of the team combined struggles with them. Or, what I've seen more commonly, a few people on the team can single-handedly take the spawns, and everybody else just gets to struggle to keep up. I play lots of Defenders. They traditionally don't take getting shot at well, especially when the team's scattered over half a map so I'm basically flying solo as far as support. If there are ambushes, or there's a patrol, or just if a handful of enemies take their attention off whoever I'm following to attack me, there's a good chance I'll spend half of the mission doing two things: sucking and dying. And that's no fun either. I like self-sufficient characters. I have a lot of them, myself. But keep in mind that not everybody can shrug off a x8 ambush solo, and those people have as much of a right to enjoy the game as you do.

What kind of teams are you looking for?

Team dynamics are to hard to maintain unless you play with one group regularly. PUG's are inherently unstable due to their "easy come, easy go" nature so it's really not worth the effort to get worked up at one or two team members who run off to do their own thing. Different "vet" levels and maturity levels can clash. Your idea of efficiently completing a mission may be very different from everyone else's.

Basically, that's why I almost always solo.

Some team leaders are too controlling, sometimes what looks like a stupid attempt at soloing a group was infact an aggro check before the group made a random perception check. Unless they know every powerset in the game they tend to come up short in being clever. I often shoot off into the next group, it's called making preparations but you could get Divas who disappear spawning ambush after ambush for the team working their way through steadily. Bite sized players who haven't IO'd their toons do exist and so they should be thought of. If it weren't for their subs the game would be done and dusted by now.

I team up for fun..

Having a Shield scrapper or two clear everything without my help is not my definition of "fun".

However, I realize that they too are trying to have fun, and probably are, indeed, having fun.

At which point I generally politely leave the team after a mission or two is complete.

I get this all the time, and not just in CoH. Check my L4D stats on Steam.

Ok, so I'm mostly saying that so you all bow down in awe of my 100% Accuracy/20% Headshot rate with the Uzi, but still.

Myself and @Beno play L4D with @Freedan and one of our buddies who is a wowhead so hard he gets paid for it. Now, @Beno and I will *Usually* be at least half the map ahead of the rest of the group. He does Pipe Bombs, I do Molotovs. Things work out nicely. @Freedan and my other friend, they don't like "Speed running". They love taking it nice and slow, searching every room. They whine at us that we're going too fast and getting them killed. We usually retort that they're slowing us down.

Same in CoH. If I'm on my DM/DA scrapper, he can solo almost anything. CAN solo anything if he's got nukes. Takes longer without a team. But if I have say, one or two people with me who know what they're doing? (Like a Fire/EM Blaster, or a decent Kin, or very good dark miasma or rad) then the mission is propably going to be complete before the rest of the team hits the third spawn.

If I'm the only one who'se outpacing the team, I slow down.
But if the team is mostly slowpokes, with a couple of us that are exceptionally well slotted or skilled, then they ARE slowing us down, and are better used to basically farm whatever is near the entrance for purp drop chances than trying to keep up.

I'm a busy guy. I work full time, I'm trying to get a second full time job so I can get out of debt and marry my fiancee. I play this game for fun in my free time. If I'm not having fun, or wasting my time, why am I here?

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Been a nice discussion to read.

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Originally Posted by NuclearToast First there was "Tank + Healer + DPS", and now this thread. STOP WITH THE MATH IN THREAD TITLES! I don't want to do math all the time! Thank you. --NT

I'll take this as a challenge that all future threads I make must contian some mathematics in the title

In my opinion any mission where the team can split up and survive does not have the difficuly setting raised high enough.

I get it. Some people don't like scrapperlock or speeders. I don't rarely play scrappers but I like to speed through tfs. 3 hours is just too long to spend on a citadel or a sister.

But sometimes the "slow" people are the ones that aren't doing it for the team. Today for example, I ran a sister that finished in 2 hours on my FF/ice fender. I stealthed the glowies and bosses, my bad. Otherwise the tf would have been 3 hours.

But there was a teammate who was a lvl24 storm/rad with no travel powers or ninja run. Not even a jet pack. That person complained through the whole tf that we were "going to fast" and that we needed to wait for him to get to every mish or someone needed to port him to the door every time. If the dude were silent through the tf and apologized for their gimpiness, I would've been fine. But holding the team up and complaining about it? was frustrating.

I ignored most of it and ported him through half the tf. but it's an example of non-speeders dragging the team down.

Plus he complained that his one heal power couldn't take all the dmg we were getting and asked us to lay up a bit on the mobs. Come on, a storm/rad is NOT A HEALOR!

which is why I stated that if I'm the only one speeding that I slow down
But if there's 2 or 3 of us speed capable? Oh yes. Big bag of crabs.