All Things Art: Animation Edition
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Abigail Frost,
Posted on: 2010-06-06 22:06 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Personally I suspect it's a lot more likely to be the *ahem* ERPers than the PvPers that the devs are concerned about. I would be very surprised if people were actually relying ont he character's stance rather than the ttargeting box to tell their status.
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Originally Posted by Kyasubaru
Despite their joking and sarcastic posts on the subject, I've long believed that the "certain activity" that keeps the devs from adding lying down animations is PVP, not anything else.
When using such an emote, it would appear as if your character is dead on the ground. This would be needlessly confusing in PVP. Since targetted player enemies' names are in orange/red whether they're alive or dead, this is an understandable(and in my mind, more likely) reason. |
I read this a few pages back and thought, "Best Idea Evah!" ... pulling out what I would like to see most. 
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Pedestrian group activities; right now, most of the peds wander around aimlessly (or are cowering while getting bullied by some villain).
How about lines at the movie theatres that already exist; light lines for daytime matinees and maybe larger lines at night. People enjoying water sports (with maybe the occasional shark attack (or Corolax attack). Boating, sailing, fishing, jet-skiing, water skiing, parasailing, cliff diving, splashing, wading. More ped chatter about dev related projects, events, forum contests, off-site web presence, promotions, etc. (Or make this what appears on billboards and signage in-game). Pedestrian costumed heroes/villains (untargetable) doing day to day activities (just like civilian peds); could also be the source of CoX events/promos/teasers. |
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Peds making shady deals with villain NPCs (instead of always being the victim, they could be the participant) Peds going in/out of better defined buildings (grocer, movies, gym, auto body shop, icon, wentworths, train station, ferries, etc), ie. moving with a purpose. |
Well I'm not sure if any of this was mentioned as yet because I didn't read the whole thread. Anyway...some stuff I would like to see:
1) Older powerset animations getting a going over. Specifically I'd like to see some of the animations that are constantly reused for other powers in the game be replaced with something new. My current pet peeve is Shadow Maul(that animation is everywhere). If I could just replace that silly rapid punching with an actual maul(massive hammer) made out of darkness that I could use to lay the smack down with, I would be in heaven using Dark Melee.
2) It would be nice to see some emotes that are specifically tied to your powerset. Like ice blasters can create various objects made of ice just for showing off. And weapon users can perform kata-like moves to show off their prowess.
3) I know this is a pain, but is there any possibility that Katana will ever use the correct leading hand? That being the right hand drawing the sword from a scabbard on the left side and not the other way around.
4) Oh and can we please replace that awful double-punch move(Slash) that claws brutes and scrappers use(as well as VEAT Widows) with a sweeping double slash that starts with both arms out to the side and then cross across the chest? Or well...anything other than the silly 1-2 punch move would look better.
Well that's about it I think. Thanks for listening!
Facepalm emote.
Ability to fly using the hover-yoga emote.
Ability to wave while hovering without switching to the "standing emote".
"Crowd Control"
I'd love to see (sometimes, make it a random chance to happen). Walking NPC's who come across a fight between a hero and villains may stop in a wide circle around the fight and clap and cheer the hero on. If the hero loses, they all run away screaming.
(Liberty) Trick Dacy - Forge Steel - Hypother Mia
(Freedom) Folgus Sprit
(Infinity) Marcus Solomon
(Protector) Thylacine
(Justice) Ashkicker - Revile
not sure if this is the right place for it but for blasters using sets life fire, ice, energy and electric how about a cannon glove (think Barret from Final Fantasy VII)?
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Yes. My villains would do this every day! Upon login even!
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Originally Posted by Rabid_Metroid
And finally... "/em kickpuppy". The character pulls out a small dog, gives it a small toss/drop, and kicks it away. Make it comical.
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TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
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Originally Posted by TwilightPhoenix
Also to add: female sitting emotes. Most of them are identical whereas males have more. Can we get the other sitting "animations" for females too? I remember hearing that they were limited to prevent them from having issues with upskirting. But, between males being "upskirted" while wearing kilts, creative camera angles and some combat and other animations giving ample view, skirts vanishing underwater, and people completing ignoring the skirt and just running around in their underwear, I really, really think that's a non-issue.
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If the current emotes are supposed to be skirt-friendly, they don't work. I mostly gave up on using skirts because my characters can't sit in them. The first female bench sit works, but it's the only safe one I can recall. The second chair sit, the ledge sits, yoga, and plain /e sit all give a clear view up the skirt without needing camera maneuvering. The crossed legs sit emote (the first chair sit, aka most of the female choices) doesn't, but it rips the skirt down both sides. Some emotes that actually are skirt-friendly would be appreciated, but if I had to pick I'd vote for porting the male sit emotes over first.
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Yes, please. I would gladly trade the inability to use certain short-handled swords and shields in general if we ever got two-handed animations for Shield and Axe AT LEAST. While we're at it, can we please get a selection of bigger axes and swords with longer hilts? Where's the harm in that? Better to have new animations than a brand new two-handed sword set.|
Originally Posted by DLancer
Also, new broadsword, axe and mace animations would be wonderful. Especially two-handed variants.
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Speaking of which, can we please get a "large hammer" set at some point?
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Originally Posted by Slashman
My current pet peeve is Shadow Maul(that animation is everywhere). If I could just replace that silly rapid punching with an actual maul(massive hammer) made out of darkness that I could use to lay the smack down with, I would be in heaven using Dark Melee.
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More to point, it occurs to me that there's one good source of inspiration to draw on for "cool energy attacks," which is basically ever fighting game ever made, but Capcom's "VS series" more than anything else. So I did a couple of mockups:
The first one features Sakura's aerial Hadouken from Marvel vs Capcom 2, Iron Man's basic strong punch from Marvel Super Heroes (don't think it's named), Thanos' basic strong punch from Marvel Super Heroes and Captain Commando's Captain Corridor from Marvel vs. Capcom - it's the big full-screen energy bolt
The second one features four super moves: Iron Man's Proton Cannon from Marvel Super Heroes, Ryu's Shinkuu Hadouken from Marvel vs. Capcom, Cyclops' Mega (or was it Hyper?) Optic Blast from X-Men: Children of the Atom and Dr. Doom's "I don't know what it's called" super from Marvel Super Heroes (or possibly Marvel vs. Capcom 2) that I caught mid-way - that energy ball explodes into a much larger blue fireball that wasn't as photogenic.
When I say Energy Blast could be more ambitious and more elaborate, and that other sets could very well be, as well, this is what I mean.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Fixed that for you.|
Originally Posted by Jetpack
and new female run stances
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Thanks for reminding me. Seriously, lordy oh lordy, who the heck designed the female run? Its TERRIBLE! Elbows glued to the sides, hands flapping? It look passalbe from side on, but stuck behind or in front of it it looks shocking. Id be a huge advocate of having this changed for something a bit better.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Rabid_Metroid
And finally... "/em kickpuppy". The character pulls out a small dog, gives it a small toss/drop, and kicks it away. Make it comical. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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In this regard, I would be happy with a belt with small rockets animating fire like the rocket boots or an alternative choice of anti-gravity waves. I've seen these in Flash Gordon comics, though I've not found any examples on the internet to post.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Costume piece jetpacks, please.
Adam Strange Rocketeer Great Machine Boba Fett Beetle/Mach-X Buzz Lightyear You know you wanna. |
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That's something I've always agreed with. The female run is ulcer-inducing to such an extent that no amount of hip sway can save it. It feels like I'm playing Peg from Married with Children... Ugh!|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Fixed that for you.
Thanks for reminding me. Seriously, lordy oh lordy, who the heck designed the female run? Its TERRIBLE! Elbows glued to the sides, hands flapping? It look passalbe from side on, but stuck behind or in front of it it looks shocking. Id be a huge advocate of having this changed for something a bit better. |
Again, I'm not advocating yanking the animation away from people who like bad run styles, but we NEED run style customization at SOME point.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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hmm I play marvel vs capcom alot on my playstation but geez why does marvel vs capcom 2 look so horrible compared to the first one? That proton cannon looks terrible.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The first one features Sakura's aerial Hadouken from Marvel vs Capcom 2, Iron Man's basic strong punch from Marvel Super Heroes (don't think it's named), Thanos' basic strong punch from Marvel Super Heroes and Captain Commando's Captain Corridor from Marvel vs. Capcom - it's the big full-screen energy bolt The second one features four super moves: Iron Man's Proton Cannon from Marvel Super Heroes, Ryu's Shinkuu Hadouken from Marvel vs. Capcom, Cyclops' Mega (or was it Hyper?) Optic Blast from X-Men: Children of the Atom and Dr. Doom's "I don't know what it's called" super from Marvel Super Heroes (or possibly Marvel vs. Capcom 2) that I caught mid-way - that energy ball explodes into a much larger blue fireball that wasn't as photogenic. |
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That's not Marvel vs. Capcom. It's an open-source project called "Super Marvel vs. Capcom" for the MUGEN environment that gathers characters from around the franchise, actually hand-made by the users a lot of the time, or so I hear.|
Originally Posted by Noyjitat
hmm I play marvel vs capcom alot on my playstation but geez why does marvel vs capcom 2 look so horrible compared to the first one? That proton cannon looks terrible.
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And, yeah, it probably looks worse than Marvel vs. Capcom 2, but it IS free, and I assume legal, whereas Marvel vs. Capcom 2 is not playable on my PC, and by the looks of it, never will be. And as long as Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is console-exclusive, I REALLY don't feel bad about putting one over on Capcom.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Double-Fisted blast attack!
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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
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Back to power animations, amongst all the requests for greater displays of effort and grizzle, hows about considering the other direction too of utterly bored and indifferent animations? NOT to be confused with boring animations... but what about power animations that show complete dismissal and confidence on the part of the super? I.e. a look away from the target with the head and a bored snap of the fingers to execute the power for example? Think of it applied to a mass hold power. Some people choose to create characters that are just that bad a** that they can barely be bothered to use some powers. [EDIT: Okay okay--I remember, no fingers in this game. BUT you get what I'm saying. It's all about the nonchalance.] ... |
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Originally Posted by Noyjitat
Now obviously these are more longterm than short term but i think some folks wouldn't mind paying extra for all the things I'm gonna list. I realize most of it either won't happen or will not happen for along time but I'm going to ask anyway since it doesn't hurt to. I hope backalleybrawler is reading this
 Quickly I'm just gonna get this out of the way. I want my official backalleybrawler fanclub facepalm emote. Travel power customization Something I'd like to see someday as another way of extending upon issue 16s power customization. In addition to changing the colors of many different travel powers I'd like to see new variations or animations. Flight: Hoverdisk / Hoverboard or cloud: Can the animation for sliding on ice be re-used to an extend for standing on the added hoverboard or disk? Anti grav boots, jetboots and jetpacks Elemental flight such as the electric / magnetic flight that freakshow currently havve Superspeed: Skates/ rocket boots or a skate board anime style run that you see in champs Elemental animations, or things such as rock or ice appearing near your feet Teleport: Here I'd really like the rikti style teleporting (along with the cool sound) and maybe even use wormholes animation when teleporting. Super Jump/combat jumping Elemental animations again and maybe create a cool fiery explosion or electrical discharge upon landing (depending on what element) I think travel power customization is something many of us would be willing to pay extra for. More alternate animations for all power sets and or changes shield defense A personal request that I've always wanted is a change to one with the shield. I've always loved how the council ascendants use that power similar to hibernate where they are untouchable and heal over time. They just hold the shield with both arms out stretched. Why wasn't this given to shield defense in the first place? I guess castle would need to comment on that, I'm assuming it was tech problem? Don't get me wrong, the current buff can be quite nice at times but it recharges so slowly and this power change would add some extra fluff to the set and make it look cool if you ask me. martial arts, super strength, stone melee and the elemental melee I'd like to see the remaining martial arts and super strength powers get new alternate animations and to see more use of the stone mallet for stone melee, more use of the fire and ice swords and a new electric sword, maybe something like a tesla coil or a hammer? (without looking too much like thors hammer ofcouse) I now await an offical backalleybrawler facepalm. |
Allowing customization for the side, patron and epic pools in general would be nice (and eventually, alternate animations)
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Should travel powers and travel toggles ever get customization with choices of animations, combat jumping is a perfect place to seat a number of varied travel animations types IMO:
- feral bounds
- elegant acrobatic movements
- "rooftop vigilante" style leaps and landings
Since we have all of these new fangled dual pistols running around being all flashy with their hail of bullets power trying to impress others in Atlas Park, can we get an emote like Val Kilmer/Doc Holliday did in Tombstone with his tin cup as our "flashy" reply?
You can see it towards the end of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wVqUjPRfsI
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One animation that I think could use some updates is the defeat animation for foes. The "clutch-chest-and-drop-to-knees" isn't a bad animation at all. But it's the only one. I think having a few different animations would be cooler, and having unique defeat animations would be a great touch. Look at Kronos. This is a robot. Why would it clutch its chest? What if instead it had the Self-Destruct animation (but on a shorter time frame)?
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One step further: Can we have these emotes?
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Originally Posted by Rylas
One animation that I think could use some updates is the defeat animation for foes. The "clutch-chest-and-drop-to-knees" isn't a bad animation at all. But it's the only one. I think having a few different animations would be cooler, and having unique defeat animations would be a great touch. Look at Kronos. This is a robot. Why would it clutch its chest? What if instead it had the Self-Destruct animation (but on a shorter time frame)?
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OK, I did a little mock-up of what an actual super-fast version of Flurry would could look like, instead of the "lazy boy pummel you at my own pace" slowness that we have today.
This is the result.
If you can see past the "shot on shiteo" quality of the video and the guerilla style editing (and the sound effect from Berserker Barrage 
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Now, of course, I'm not an animator or an artist, so I'm sure an actual professional can make something a LOT more kickass than this. I'm just trying to show the possibilities.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Ugh. Much prefer the original. Flurry looks fast enough. That just looks spastic to me.
But, as an alternate ani it could work, as long as the original doesn't get taken out.
Dec out.
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Alternatives are what we're talking about, yes. Possibly with the upcoming power pool customization. But I agree it's spastic. That's kind of the point. It's super speed. Super speed should not be leisurely and sluggish. It SHOULD be fast, spastic and blurry.|
Originally Posted by Decorum
Ugh. Much prefer the original. Flurry looks fast enough. That just looks spastic to me.
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In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realise that when it comes to super speed, the LESS you see of what the character is doing, the better.
P.S. I sped up an animation that has a lot of hip sway and wide swinging punches. Presumably, a faster animation would involve less complicated motions and look less goofy and more just FAST.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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When using such an emote, it would appear as if your character is dead on the ground. This would be needlessly confusing in PVP. Since targetted player enemies' names are in orange/red whether they're alive or dead, this is an understandable(and in my mind, more likely) reason.