Issue 17 - Patch Notes 1800.201005212331.1T
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2010-05-27 15:08 in The Global Training Room Test Server
I'm in with the 'prompt was lame' crowd.
If walk turns off the buff why was this even needed? If you get buffed and you dont want to, hit walk then put your toggles back on... its not hard and it keeps everyone happy other than the lazy people who cant be bothered to put there toggles back on after :P
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And the missing Warrior pieces on Detail 2 section of standard female head model?|
Originally Posted by TremDei
Did you also replace the missing Warrior and Tai gloves for the Huge Model?
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oo oo and also the regular cape options for female charecters using the high collar cape?
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Originally Posted by Avatea
Patch notes for build 1800.201005212331.1T
Players may once again choose to not accept or decline the Mystic Fortune buff power. |
This sucks!
Can we have an "always accept" checkbox?
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I wouldn't call it "the best thing in I17," but it was an awesome QoL tweak that I thought made the game better, not worse. So count me among those not happy with this change back to the clunky, old, block-your-screen and waste your time dialogue box.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
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I was one the people who was in favour of the prompt because of griefing. However, after the removal of the prompt in Issue 17, I realized that I was wrong cause I got no one to grief me, or anyone else with that power. I also realized that the one-minute recharge takes care of that.
But I didn't change sides! Why?
Cause I still prefer the prompt just so I can know WHO is giving me a fortune buff so I can return the favour. So I'm happy about this change!
Oh Mystic Fortune prompt, how I hate and despise thee. It seems like every single person who casts that buff on me does it at the time when the prompt is most inconvenient. The auto-accept was a very welcome QoL change.
I like the Mystic Fortune buffs, but if it was an option of "disallow Mystic Fortune buffs" or "get the stupid prompt," I would disallow them entirely in a heartbeat.
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Thanks! Been noticing the pets of late doing a bit too much LEEEEROY Jenkins.
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Originally Posted by Avatea
[list][*]Fixed a bug that caused many critters with ranged attacks to change behavior and prefer melee range, including Rikti Drones and most Mastermind pets. Critters should behave as they used to again.
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Finally |
Originally Posted by Avatea
Patch notes for build 1800.201005212331.1T
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I wonder if there has been any stability/performance fixes for Ultra Mode that didn't make it to patch notes...
If 99% of the pro-prompt people only want it because the sound and visual effect is annoying, and the reason there's not an option in our Options is because the UI people are too busy doing something awesome like Power Pool Power Proliferation (PPPP or 4P), then maybe the animation people have time to just remove the sound and the visual effect. I certainly wouldn't notice the difference -- as EK and I have discussed, after the initial casting, I neither see nor hear it again after the first casting (except perhaps when zoning or being rezzed).
In fact, I suspect those Mystic Fortune continual noises may be not working as intended.
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I've long found /dialog_yes to be very useful (but ended up removing the /dialog_no bind since I found myself not using it). I'm curious though, have you actually encountered a situation where "/dialog_answer Accept" is necessary? Usually, /dialog_yes works even when the button on the dialog window says "Accept", thus making /dialog_answer Accept unnecessary (I'd assume that the same goes for _no and Decline).
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
Just make these binds to accept or decline teleports, accept or decline trade invites, dismiss mission intro text popups, etc.
/bind Y "dialog_yes$$dialog_answer Accept" /bind N "dialog_no$$dialog_answer Decline" (actually, I do shift+Y, shift+N) |
Until and unless something more is done, the prompt is the happy middle ground between the two camps. I really don't think they're going to be putting work into that right now (I could be wrong, of course.. they're just busy and asking for and/or expecting more development time when the solution/compromise is already existent seems like it could be a bit much).
No one really wants a prompt, but many want the choice. The prompt is the way this is currently possible, therefore it is our only choice. If/when they add auto accept/decline then that's another story.
I could honestly say, "I fail to see the severe negative nature of the prompt... a tiny window, 'Yes or No?'", but that would be equivalent to those who say, "I fail to see the negative side of the buff, visuals or sounds".
The thing is... without the prompt, those on the one side are completely at a loss, while those who don't care about the visuals or audio or any other thing people may not like about them are completely in the win.
This debate isn't Prompt vs Opinion. It is Opinion vs Opinion and then one side of that is ignoring the other side and not even wanting the prompt.
In this case, the opposite of no prompt would be no power.
Anyways, the point is... Think beyond yourself and accept/understand that Mystic Fortune lasts for 20 minutes, has always had a visual that remains the entire time and now also has a sound effect and some people also don't want the buffs nor the potential debuffs.
PS: Hiya, DQ! I was planning to post this before I saw your reply! While I would be happier with no visual and audio, some people apparently play a somewhat hardcore soloist game where they don't like any outside buffs. *shrugs* The problem really is the 20 minute duration. Everything else lasts 2-4 minutes and that can go by pretty quickly, really.
All I know is, no option completely derails some people's fun. And none of us want that! As much as some people don't like the prompt... does it really derail anyone's fun? A momentary window (Even at every 20 minutes) compared to being forced to play with something that annoys you for a duration of 20 minutes. And remember... the opposite side also has to deal with the prompt. So, that's not exclusively one side's deal.
(bah, this went on too long... just wanted to say that the prompt is the middle ground compromise for now. Let's all get along and have fun, eh?)
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The walk power allowed you to stack all the buffs. It is probably the cause of removing the prompt.|
Originally Posted by Suzumebachi
To be honest, most of the people I regularly play with have given up bothering with it, but it does seem to cause a lot of forum drama.
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I say we get rid of walk. Mystic Fortune is a lot more useful than that thing
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Or just make walk not suppress toggles and passive powers!
Originally Posted by TehHippeh
The walk power allowed you to stack all the buffs. It is probably the cause of removing the prompt.
I say we get rid of walk. Mystic Fortune is a lot more useful than that thing
Removing Mystic Fortune from the game probably won't be an option, since it was something that people had to spend money to get.
How about changing MF to a self buff?
It shouldn't take long to, it sort of adheres to the premise of the power, and the would be 100% positive control over having it without the need for a pop up.
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You mean my Bots should only be doing the old fashioned minimal amount of rage inducing running into melee? Woohoo!!!!|
Originally Posted by Avatea
Fixed a bug that caused many critters with ranged attacks to change behavior and prefer melee range, including Rikti Drones and most Mastermind pets. Critters should behave as they used to again.
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Scrappers
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Looks to be a good patch overall. Some nice fixes in there.
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Now here's a good idea ! Read your own fortune and be done with the whole debate. If you don't want it - don't put the self buff icon in your tray. Give it a extremely long recharge. The cards animation could swirl around your head for a second or two and, Viola, you're buffed or debuffed or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Tog
Removing Mystic Fortune from the game probably won't be an option, since it was something that people had to spend money to get.
How about changing MF to a self buff? It shouldn't take long to, it sort of adheres to the premise of the power, and the would be 100% positive control over having it without the need for a pop up. |
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Originally Posted by Tog
Removing Mystic Fortune from the game probably won't be an option, since it was something that people had to spend money to get.
How about changing MF to a self buff? It shouldn't take long to, it sort of adheres to the premise of the power, and the would be 100% positive control over having it without the need for a pop up. |
This is the best idea I have heard on this subject
much cookies to you!!!The prompt is one of the most annoying things in this game.
Just hope they don't go with the minority, again....
True options are always good and making it a option to turn off/on is a good way to go or make it a team only buff, but honestly from looking at the small amount that want it back it seems to be due to a problem with sound/fx then that should be addressed. The just "I don't want a buff" arguement is very weak and really small amount... but hay they have done it before ie.. PvP, and we all know how well that worked out.
One whole issue wasted for most of the players.
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Dev's With all the Great new content, Please!! dont forget to fix the bugs with the old content. There is a storm a brewing because they are not getting fixed. If its a problem that no one is reporting them? Well Maybe you need to look at your tech support then..
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Mystic Fortune's highly unlikely to become a self buff for one reason.|
Originally Posted by Tog
Removing Mystic Fortune from the game probably won't be an option, since it was something that people had to spend money to get.
How about changing MF to a self buff? It shouldn't take long to, it sort of adheres to the premise of the power, and the would be 100% positive control over having it without the need for a pop up. |
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Still don't see why they can't make it a Self buff instead of a buff you cast on someone. After all it was part of a pack, and the purchaser of that pack should be the one getting the benefit of any bonus power, no ?
updated 6/11/10 (better late than never) - NOW I get it ... mutuation pack. Doh !
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Originally Posted by damienray
Still don't see why they can't make it a Self buff instead of a buff you cast on someone. After all it was part of a pack, and the purchaser of that pack should be the one getting the benefit of any bonus power, no ?
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If they can't make an auto-accept or auto-decline option in the options, then just make it a self buff.
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I suspect making an 'option' requires more time than they have alloted to this 'fix'. Still, I imagine there will be some annoyed backlash from adding back in the prompt. At this point, they simply need to allot time to make it 'optional' to have the prompt, as both sides have a legitamite beef.
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Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
Nice list of fixes.. Though, the re-fix to me will just get annoying. Give us an option to hide the prompt like we have for teleport powers. I don't like missing out on a me because I am too busy arresting bad guys to pay attention to window pop-ups.
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People complain that Mystic Fortune prompts, so it gets changed to auto-accept, then people complain about it again, so the code goes back for review. Why not just make it so nobody gets it by retroactively rolling the code back out? Ah, wait... people will complain yet again, likely some of the same people being critical about something like a prompt.
I never have had a problem with removing the prompt for Mystic Fortune. If the sound gets bothersome, I just hit the mute button. I've been one of those players where I don't mind drive-by buffs. I've done drive-by buffing or helped someone with buffs/debuffs that don't do damage before, and usually they say "thanks". I've only ran into a few people on teams where they actually complained about someone buffing, and man did they flip out. They didn't last very long, usually faceplanted/quit/kicked not too long after complaining.
Reading through some of the responses in this thread, it seems to parallel this clip. It's kind of silly once you look at it like that. I'd much rather see dev and QA time going to other things, and kicking up a big stink over Mystic Fortune isn't a very useful thing to be doing with GR and Incarnates around the corner. There isn't going to be a happy medium for this and someone will always find a reason to complain about it, even if you can turn the prompt on and off, someone will complain that there's now an option.
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Just so you know, the prompt was removed in order to counter an exploit that some players were apparently abusing.|
Originally Posted by drogoh
People complain that Mystic Fortune prompts, so it gets changed to auto-accept...
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I think it was in the beta forums where Castle replied about this issue (Unhappiness about the auto accept) and explained that he had tried to fix it without removing the prompt, but was unsuccessful.
Seems as though he or someone else may have come up with a way to do it. So, here it is.
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That's terrible, having the prompt pop out every single time was extremely frustrating.
Also the fact it has a somewhat short time to accept it, and like it was already said, having the prompt pop up during fight is just bad and very annoying.
I'm very disappointed at this change.
Make an option to auto-accept or don't change back.
If there is a problem with sound effects, that should be addressed separately.
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