Nemesis, Silmon and Silos: OH MY!
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Posted on: 2010-05-23 02:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Makes more sense than most Nemesis plots.
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To me, this is more an example of Fifth Column Ouroboros Rivet Syndrome. It doesn't mean that a connection is impossible, but it doesn't make a connection seem any more likely, in my opinion.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
It doesn't?!?!
 That looks like a lion to me... which is what is on Nemmy's belt buckle. Therefore: Thomas Mane --> Mane Corp. --> Silmon --> Nemesis (--> = Is related to, though I am not sure how) |
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Originally Posted by Pendix
Ok, time for my own crazy, homebrew Nemesis Theory.
*hands out some tin-foil-hats* Nemesis has /always/ known about the Coming Storm, even before he became Lord Nemesis. And now for a story: A long time ago in Prussia, there lived a young man, lets call him Gerhardt. Perhaps he was a brilliant scientist, or maybe a simple toymaker, whatever he was, one fateful day he invented (or discovered) a way to travel between dimensions. Gerhardt wandered the many various alternate realities for many years, he learnt a great deal from his wanderings, mastering a strange steam-powered technology. He saw many strange and wonderful things, things that left him in awe, things that scared him. Soon though he began to see a strange pattern; world after world, earth after earth, lying in ruin, devastated by some unnamed force. In some the devastation was old, in some fresh. Sifting through the ashes he would piece together the history of these worlds and he realised that this threat was coming for every earth, in every reality, even his own. The only difference was the time-frame. In fear for his home he sought ways to halt the threat, examining worlds that had lost and seeking out those that already caught up in the threat. When he finally returned home he had come up with a plan for combating this . . . Coming Storm. His travels had taught him much, but mainly that adversity breeds strength. He knew that if his home, his earth, Primal Earth, was to survive it would need the strongest of defenders. If he was to ensure that Earths defenders were strong enough he would need to ensure they faced the greatest of challenges. He would need to, not just engineer those challenges, that adversity, he would need to become it. He would need to ensure that every defender of earth, every super powered individual, every Hero, faced a brilliant, ruthless, implacable . . . Nemesis. And now for a word from our spons . . . I mean; some supporting evidence. This is why all his plots ultimately fail; because they were never meant to succeeded, they were meant to challenge Heroes. If the heroes succeed, they get stronger, if they fail; weakness has been weeded out. Thats why he has so many plots going at once, to challenge as many Heroes as possible at the same time. Thats why he (spoiler) went to so much trouble to get the Rikti to invade, what better way to prepare a world for a devastation alien invasion, than by cutting its teeth on a smaller one. Thats why he (spoiler) had control of the worlds weather for 2 years and nobody noticed (seriously; look up the Meteorologist badge). Thats why he (spoiler) had nearly complete national mind-control network (the Get Track Sample mission from Maxwell Christopher), and never finished it or brought it online. He wasnt avoiding using it because he wanted people to love him of their own free will, it was a set up, just waiting for a Hero to come along and be challenged by it. Weird Upshot of this theory; it would mean that the entire premise of our game; that of becoming more powerful by defeating ever increasing challenges . . . is a Nemesis plot.  |
Of course this means that he also has to set in motion the one thing that makes any of this happen. World War I. Without Marcus Cole getting injured in WWI, he would not have sought out the Well of Furies, and thus become Statesman, and conversely Richter becoming Recluse.
And Nemesis is Prussian. . . And much of the German Military did have a strong Prussian heritage.
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Originally Posted by Pendix
Ok, time for my own crazy, homebrew Nemesis Theory.
*hands out some tin-foil-hats* Nemesis has /always/ known about the Coming Storm, even before he became Lord Nemesis. And now for a story: A long time ago in Prussia, there lived a young man, lets call him Gerhardt. Perhaps he was a brilliant scientist, or maybe a simple toymaker, whatever he was, one fateful day he invented (or discovered) a way to travel between dimensions. Gerhardt wandered the many various alternate realities for many years, he learnt a great deal from his wanderings, mastering a strange steam-powered technology. He saw many strange and wonderful things, things that left him in awe, things that scared him. Soon though he began to see a strange pattern; world after world, earth after earth, lying in ruin, devastated by some unnamed force. In some the devastation was old, in some fresh. Sifting through the ashes he would piece together the history of these worlds and he realised that this threat was coming for every earth, in every reality, even his own. The only difference was the time-frame. In fear for his home he sought ways to halt the threat, examining worlds that had lost and seeking out those that already caught up in the threat. When he finally returned home he had come up with a plan for combating this . . . Coming Storm. His travels had taught him much, but mainly that adversity breeds strength. He knew that if his home, his earth, Primal Earth, was to survive it would need the strongest of defenders. If he was to ensure that Earths defenders were strong enough he would need to ensure they faced the greatest of challenges. He would need to, not just engineer those challenges, that adversity, he would need to become it. He would need to ensure that every defender of earth, every super powered individual, every Hero, faced a brilliant, ruthless, implacable . . . Nemesis. And now for a word from our spons . . . I mean; some supporting evidence. This is why all his plots ultimately fail; because they were never meant to succeeded, they were meant to challenge Heroes. If the heroes succeed, they get stronger, if they fail; weakness has been weeded out. Thats why he has so many plots going at once, to challenge as many Heroes as possible at the same time. Thats why he (spoiler) went to so much trouble to get the Rikti to invade, what better way to prepare a world for a devastation alien invasion, than by cutting its teeth on a smaller one. Thats why he (spoiler) had control of the worlds weather for 2 years and nobody noticed (seriously; look up the Meteorologist badge). Thats why he (spoiler) had nearly complete national mind-control network (the Get Track Sample mission from Maxwell Christopher), and never finished it or brought it online. He wasnt avoiding using it because he wanted people to love him of their own free will, it was a set up, just waiting for a Hero to come along and be challenged by it. Weird Upshot of this theory; it would mean that the entire premise of our game; that of becoming more powerful by defeating ever increasing challenges . . . is a Nemesis plot. |
I think starting world wars and alien invasions just to "toughen up" people would be kind of a jerk move 
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think starting world wars and alien invasions just to "toughen up" people would be kind of a jerk move
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That theory is veeeery interesting. And it reminds me of someone... someone who believes that only the strong survive...
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Yeah, I got the impression that the glove color change was when protean took his place.
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A note on Leonard: I also noticed his gloves changing color. Glad I wasn't going crazy. I'm sure it's significant, but how? If they were one color at first, then changed when you freed the real Leonard, that would make sense... but I think they start black, don't they? |
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Originally Posted by Enamel_32
Yeah, I got the impression that the glove color change was when protean took his place.
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Like the Rikti armour does? As in, it has glowmaps? Cos it looked a little like that to me when I saw it change.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
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I like this thread! 
I would liketo subscribe to the earlier conspiracy theory posted earlier.
I would say...
Leonard Silmon/Mane Corp = Red Herring or another Nemesis plot.
Silos= Nemesis = Mysterious letter sender.
If we go with the idea that Nemesis is trying to toughen people up, I wouldnt be surprised if Nemesis is both Silos and the letter sender.
Leonard Silmon definately has some similarities to Nemesis, but it seems like a red herring to me. If it wasn't for the letter sender in his arc, I wouldn't even take note of him.
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So... kinda like the Zero Requiem?
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Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
Endure, Master Eisenstadt. Take it. They'll hate you for it, but that's the point of Nemesis, he can be the outcast. He can make the choice that no one else can make, the right choice.
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Wouldn't it just beat all, if Mender Silos turns out NOT to be Nemesis or have any connection to him at all... and then we figure out he isn't the letter writer either. It'd be odd if he were Mender Lazarus, for instance, the one who has given the most actual information, and who was literally blinded by time?!
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Lord_Nightblade retorts: Oh the Letter Sender is creepy as hell, and I wouldn't trust him/her anymore than I would the Menders. The Sender just is as cryptic as the Menders, just as stingy with information, and is just as manipulative. Plus, all of the letters have a "side with me or else" undercurrent, cloaked in the illusion of a free choice between the Menders and the Sender when the time comes. |
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Dec out.
I kind of figured it'd be Nemesis and Requiem slugging it out. Requiem goofs around through the time continuum using his own personal crystal. It wouldn't be surprised if he managed to become the Nictus Galactic Emperor in some timestream like he wants to be. Turn his Columnists to radioactive goo monster shock troops capable of space travel and turn Shadow Cysts into a fuel source. Burn those nictus blobbies in the war engine. Nemesis stands against it because only Nemesis is omniscient enough to run a temporal war until finally they screw up the universe so badly Rularuu EATS IT. The Langoliers are everywhere!
Don't forget that Protean works for someone in Praetoria called Mr. G.
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Is that related to the Agent G in Faultline, do you suppose?
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It could be - there seem to be very few major characters with family names beginning with G - and I'm pretty sure Gerhardt doesn't count, as it's just a first name |
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Is that related to the Agent G in Faultline, do you suppose?
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I kind of wish that this is actually the case, now.
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Originally Posted by Pendix
Ok, time for my own crazy, homebrew Nemesis Theory.
*hands out some tin-foil-hats* Nemesis has /always/ known about the Coming Storm, even before he became Lord Nemesis. And now for a story: |
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He's just supposed to look up a Mr. G in Praetoria. He's working for some mysterious person with a green speechbubble.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Don't forget that Protean works for someone in Praetoria called Mr. G.
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Maybe the mysterious person just happened to have some bad shrimp for lunch?
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Can we call him GreenSpeechBubble Man?
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
He's just supposed to look up a Mr. G in Praetoria. He's working for some mysterious person with a green speechbubble.
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Sure. But we all call him Mr. G for short.
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Ok, time for my own crazy, homebrew Nemesis Theory.
*hands out some tin-foil-hats*
Nemesis has /always/ known about the Coming Storm, even before he became Lord Nemesis. And now for a story:
A long time ago in Prussia, there lived a young man, let’s call him Gerhardt. Perhaps he was a brilliant scientist, or maybe a simple toymaker, whatever he was, one fateful day he invented (or discovered) a way to travel between dimensions. Gerhardt wandered the many various alternate realities for many years, he learnt a great deal from his wanderings, mastering a strange steam-powered technology. He saw many strange and wonderful things, things that left him in awe, things that scared him.
Soon though he began to see a strange pattern; world after world, earth after earth, lying in ruin, devastated by some unnamed force. In some the devastation was old, in some fresh. Sifting through the ashes he would piece together the history of these worlds and he realised that this threat was coming for every earth, in every reality, even his own. The only difference was the time-frame. In fear for his home he sought ways to halt the threat, examining worlds that had lost and seeking out those that already caught up in the threat. When he finally returned home he had come up with a plan for combating this . . . Coming Storm.
His travels had taught him much, but mainly that adversity breeds strength. He knew that if his home, his earth, Primal Earth, was to survive it would need the strongest of defenders. If he was to ensure that Earth’s defenders were strong enough he would need to ensure they faced the greatest of challenges. He would need to, not just engineer those challenges, that adversity, he would need to become it. He would need to ensure that every defender of earth, every super powered individual, every Hero, faced a brilliant, ruthless, implacable . . . Nemesis.
And now for a word from our spons . . . I mean; some supporting evidence.
This is why all his plots ultimately fail; because they were never meant to succeeded, they were meant to challenge Heroes. If the heroes succeed, they get stronger, if they fail; weakness has been weeded out.
That’s why he has so many plots going at once, to challenge as many Heroes as possible at the same time.
That’s why he (spoiler) went to so much trouble to get the Rikti to invade, what better way to prepare a world for a devastation alien invasion, than by cutting it’s teeth on a smaller one.
That’s why he (spoiler) had control of the world’s weather for 2 years and nobody noticed (seriously; look up the “Meteorologist” badge).
That’s why he (spoiler) had nearly complete national mind-control network (the “Get Track Sample” mission from Maxwell Christopher), and never finished it or brought it online. He wasn’t avoiding using it because he wanted people to “love him of their own free will”, it was a set up, just waiting for a Hero to come along and be ‘challenged’ by it.
Weird Upshot of this theory; it would mean that the entire premise of our game; that of becoming more powerful by defeating ever increasing challenges . . . is a Nemesis plot.