Live Patch Notes - 5/12/10

Given that LGTF Hami is an encounter than some teams I've been on in the past have been unable to complete, um, I'm not really looking forward to it being made harder.

I don't even really like the LGTF as it is - this would just give me more reason to avoid it.

I've done the LGTF a dozen or more times, and not a single time did we ever hold the greens. We just attacked them and they died. They needed more damage, more quickly than the other mitos, but they died. So apparently I've done it wrong a dozen times, and was really supposed to never succeed once? I appreciate all you've done for us Castle, but I'm pretty sure you're in the wrong here. It was plenty challenging before... I had a couple teams that could not kill the Hamidon in its old form.

I say someone at Paragon Studio should make Castle join a PUG LGTF. And he's not allowed to leave work that day until the LGTF is done. Oh, and no GM/dev powers allowed.

I'm afraid I can't get behind the design that if you don't have several controllers/dominators on the team you can't complete the TF. It seems that this change, even if the hold protection on the greens is reduced, means that either you bring plenty of holds or you don't bother starting the TF.

Any TF that REQUIRES a specific power in order to complete is poorly designed. Hard is ok, but impossible without a specific team composition is inexcusable. I'd guess that MAYBE 8 blasters MIGHT be able to overpower the Green's heals and regen but little else could.

I've no doubt that 8 Fire/Rad controllers could take it's lunch money but the majority of teams aren't on that level.

So any adjustments made with a critter easier then paper said it should be. Now that it's fixed it may be harder then desired but that fix will come after play testing prooves it.

Well, warning all my friends that our favorite TF is undoable. REALLY not happy about this. I always looked at the Hami mission as the most challenging part of the TF, but one of the coolest missions to do as well.

Seriously, if the TF is too easy, then relook at the rewards. People do this TF over and over because it is FUN. Because it is co-op, high level, and just plain fun. WHY screw with that?

I seriously hope this is reconsidered. Until then, I will miss the LGTF, but will consider it offline until it is do-able by a normal team again.

"Fixing" a "mistake" without actually testing the "fix"?
If you're gonna fix something, then fix it right.
Fixing something halfass, and saying "oh, I'll fix it again later" is just ...
Bad form, Castle.
Bad form.

The Greens should be hard but not overly difficult to take down. And if you can hold them (say mag 10), then they should be easy to take down.

Making anything nigh unkillable unless you have a mez for a TF is just wrong. LGTF isn't even an elite TF like LRSF or STF is. It's supposed to be a level 45 TF akin to the difficulty of a Numina.

Also, this is a Weakened Hamidon. The Yellows are weakened. The Blues are Weakened. Hamidon is Weakened. So... why are the Greens nigh unkillable without a gimmick?

Castle, is it possible the mission writer actually _intended_ for the Green Mitos to have -50 Hold Protection? Could that possibly have been the specific mechanic employed to fully simulate that Hamidon was in a weakened state?

So I'd like to take a moment here to remind the Developers, specifically _Castle_, of a promise that has been made time and time again.

No TF or SF will ever require a specific AT, because having to spend an hour or two just to find that one specific person just so you can do the TF makes the game not fun.

I've honestly lost track of how many times that's been said. And here we are, being told that now, requiring Controllers/Dominators in at least 2 slots to complete a TF is fun.

Yeah. Nice try. I'm not going to waste time on fluff.
You screwed up. Big. Admit you made a mistake. Quit making excuses. Fix it now.
I17's numerous continuing issues have already burned up most of your good will; making excuses like this is not refilling the tanks.

Shaking my head right now. mag 54 mez protection means that the team that can mez them can mez almost any target in the game. Is that really where you want to set the bar? Really?

I think this would and should have been realized in about 30 seconds of testing from someone with no prior knowledge of mez mechanics in this game and instantly identifiable as a potential problem to anyone with knowledge of the mechanic in relation to the AT's found in the game.

Such high protection is probably fine for the raid version ( ~30 is better though) and was very likely fine for the old raid version that had upwards of 100+ people. For an 8 person TF though...

It's absolutely fine if you want them to have very high mez protection as one avenue to defeating the encounter. But because that will require specific team formations (which is a no no for TF design) it means you need to provide one or more alternative methods to defeating the encounter.

Now I don't see you spending the time to rework the encounter for multiple approaches so that doesn't leave much room for employing ridiculously high barriers to entry for the single approach that is employable.

Thanks in advance for the hotfix that will be coming in the next few days.

I'm not one to bash the devs, but this is seriously one of the most boneheaded "fixes" I can think of. Talk about completely missing the point. How is it possible no one on the team said, "Hey, this is supposed to be the WEAKENED Hamidon, isn't it?"