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Posted on: 2010-05-12 10:47 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
IMHO i think 50 mag protect is way too much for task force like everyone is saying, but i understand the point of the mitos and they should possibly get a reduction in that to make it like 10-20 (which is fairly achievable by majority of teams)
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10 can be done by a single troller via Overpower or Vanguard Medallion. 20 needs two trollers or Domination.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
IMHO i think 50 mag protect is way too much for task force like everyone is saying, but i understand the point of the mitos and they should possibly get a reduction in that to make it like 10-20 (which is fairly achievable by majority of teams)
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Just ran this with you Leo and the mito thing was a joke. Full team couldn't dent it.
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Your math is too optimistic. Green mitos have 50% hold resistance, so all the holds will last half as long. Type [mitochondria healer powers.resistance] in game to see the numbers.
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Originally Posted by Leandro
Doing the numbers:
Regular controller single target hold is magnitude 3 for 15 seconds and recharges in 8 seconds. With 3 SOs, that's 4 seconds. Which means you can stack it 3 times per controller (12 seconds, with a 3 second left over). That's 9 mag hold (not taking into account Overpower, because it's not reliable). 50 points of hold protection / mag 9 holds = you need 6 controllers spamming their single target hold to hold a mito. Dominators have it easier because of Domination, but still. Congratulations, the LGTF is now controller / dominator only. What the heck, Castle? I'm truly confused at how having 50 mag protection on a 8-character task is a good idea. (And if I sound bitter, it's because I just wasted two hours running this TF, twice, just to find that now "WAI" means "full controller team or you're screwed". I'm not happy right now.) |
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learn to test much?...nope i guess not.
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Originally Posted by Castle
I fixed the bug which made their power not shut off when held. However, I ALSO fixed the bug which made them perma-hold themselves, so the LGTF will be harder than you remember. Too hard? Perhaps -- the Green Mitos have 50 points of hold protection (as opposed to -50...) now.
EDIT: The design intent for Green Mitos is you essentially HAVE to hold them or they are nigh unkillable. |
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Thanks, I am currently too annoyed and forgot about the resistances. So, even a full team of trollers can't do this? Great.|
Originally Posted by ShadowPuppet
Your math is too optimistic. Green mitos have 50% hold resistance, so all the holds will last half as long. Type [mitochondria healer powers.resistance] in game to see the numbers.
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I'm slowly getting less annoyed here, but I'd really appreciate it if Castle would post to say either that this was an oversight and the protection will be lowered, or HOW are regular teams supposed to do this.
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Ignore the greens and just beat down on hami.
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That all assumes they have no mez resistance. If they share the powers of the raid versions (not necessarily a good assumption) they have 50% mez resistance as well.|
Originally Posted by Leandro
50 points of hold protection / mag 9 holds = you need 6 controllers spamming their single target hold to hold a mito.
Dominators have it easier because of Domination, but still. Congratulations, the LGTF is now controller / dominator only. What the heck, Castle? I'm truly confused at how having 50 mag protection on a 8-character task is a good idea. (And if I sound bitter, it's because I just wasted two hours running this TF, twice, just to find that now "WAI" means "full controller team or you're screwed". I'm not happy right now.) |
Edit: Scooped.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Because all teams have enough DPS to kill hami while 6 mitos are healing it? Ours certainly didn't, and it was a very good team:|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Ignore the greens and just beat down on hami.
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- Shield Tank
- Scrapper
- Cold defender (I think /ice)
- Illusion/Empathy troller (me)
- Blaster
- Blaster
- Grav/Rad troller
- Ice/Rad troller
3 controllers couldn't hold a mito, and our DPS combined wasn't enough to kill Hami through the healing. "Beat down on hami" is not a solution.
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To that end, does anyone know offhand the amount and frequency of the greens' heal power?|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Ignore the greens and just beat down on hami.
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Edit: Leandro's post immediately before mine answers the general parameters.
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Pop moar reds? Gaeas? |
Originally Posted by Leandro
Because all teams have enough DPS to kill hami while 6 mitos are healing it? Ours certainly didn't, and it was a very good team:
- Shield Tank - Scrapper - Cold defender (I think /ice) - Illusion/Empathy troller (me) - Blaster - Blaster - Grav/Rad troller - Something/Rad troller 3 controllers couldn't hold a mito, and our DPS combined wasn't enough to kill Hami through the healing. "Beat down on hami" is not a solution. |
Also, your problem is you had no Villains.
i dont think killing hami through greens is enough to finish that mish on LGTF, i think i remember poeple reporting they went through and killed hami but the green mitos didnt die and mish didnt complete (this was before the apparent "fix")
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I heard the same thing.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i dont think killing hami through greens is enough to finish that mish on LGTF, i think i remember poeple reporting they went through and killed hami but the green mitos didnt die and mish didnt complete (this was before the apparent "fix")
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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Pop moar reds? Gaeas?
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Yeah. That's convenient.
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That is probably a bug. Bug it. All mitos die when hami dies in raids.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i dont think killing hami through greens is enough to finish that mish on LGTF, i think i remember poeple reporting they went through and killed hami but the green mitos didnt die and mish didnt complete (this was before the apparent "fix")
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Ice/Rad. |
Originally Posted by Leandro
- Something/Rad troller |
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GJ making it so you have to have certain well built doms for a smooth ride on the lgtf. |
Originally Posted by Castle
I fixed the bug which made their power not shut off when held. However, I ALSO fixed the bug which made them perma-hold themselves, so the LGTF will be harder than you remember. Too hard? Perhaps -- the Green Mitos have 50 points of hold protection (as opposed to -50...) now.
EDIT: The design intent for Green Mitos is you essentially HAVE to hold them or they are nigh unkillable. |
If you really have to make tf's AT dependant to make them harder there is something wrong
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More accurately you mean Dominators, right? The other villain AT's don't offer more than the hero AT's in terms of holds or damage.|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Pop moar reds? Gaeas?
Also, your problem is you had no Villains. |
So you're saying that to be successful a team needs multiple Dominators and/or an accolade that less than 10% of my 50's have? That in my opinion is not good mission design.
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I don't mind when things get adjusted to be harder as long as they're still reasonably doable. Killing Hami, even a weakened one, shouldn't be as easy as it was before the green Mitos broke.
Funny what happens when a Dev pokes around under the hood when something breaks. You never know what else they'll find to adjust that they wouldn't have if the original problem hadn't surfaced.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
More accurately you mean Dominators, right? The other villain AT's don't offer more than the hero AT's in terms of holds or damage.
So you're saying that to be successful a team needs multiple Dominators and/or an accolade that less than 10% of my 50's have? That in my opinion is not good mission design. |
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I'm assuming this refers to glowies that gave a reward when you clicked on them, the as-stated fedex/talk steps within a single mission, and other small incremental rewards.|
Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
Could someone give me an example of what this refers to? I'm having a hard time coming up with anything significant enough to warrant a change.
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Basically, anything you get a reward for in Dev-created missions that you can't get rewarded for in AE missions is a possibility.
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Wait...aren't the LGTF mitos supposed to be weakened? Standard Hami is impossible to beat with a team of EIGHT.
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Originally Posted by Castle
I fixed the bug which made their power not shut off when held. However, I ALSO fixed the bug which made them perma-hold themselves, so the LGTF will be harder than you remember. Too hard? Perhaps -- the Green Mitos have 50 points of hold protection (as opposed to -50...) now.
EDIT: The design intent for Green Mitos is you essentially HAVE to hold them or they are nigh unkillable. |
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This isn't a good change.
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Actually, 50% Hold Resistance will not reduce Hold durations to 50% of their original duration, it'll cut them down to 1/1.5 = 66.7%.|
Originally Posted by ShadowPuppet
Your math is too optimistic. Green mitos have 50% hold resistance, so all the holds will last half as long. Type [mitochondria healer powers.resistance] in game to see the numbers.
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The numbers are also somewhat optimistic in that they assume holds with no activation time (just looking at the duration/recharge ratio), and that it only considered the Hold protection given by the Mitos' Resistance power (Mitos should have a base Hold of -3, so mag 54 should be required to hold them).
However, this is also somewhat offset by the listed hold duration being less than the actual duration of Controller holds (22.35s @50, 15s is @1), and no Hold slotting.
Either way, it seems pretty clear that (an extra) mag 50 Hold protection is... <understatement>a tad much.</understatement>
Is it not just possible to kill hami while the greens are healing him?