Players experiencing issues related to Graphics cards
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Posted on: 2010-04-28 17:47 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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Originally Posted by Miuramir
Side note.. Is there a way to bring the main MoTD back up? I'd have thought /motd would do it, but it's not a command.
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/gmotd
(Global MOTD, separating it from the MOTDs for the... uh... Global channels).
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Yes, first thing. Unfortunately it made no difference whatsoever.
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panthera wonders: Have you disabled the ATI Hotkey Poller utility? That causes some problems, if it is running. |
Dec out.
I have been getting the flickering issue as well. Using 10.3 catalyst on a 5770. When the screen flickers, for a split second I see a freeze frame of my character from when the first flicker occurs before returning me to the game.
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Originally Posted by Miuramir
I wasn't even aware that the MoTD could *have* tabs until today.
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...but before I started whining, I asked a couple friends ten headed to the forums after noticing. Never saw this tab the first and second time around, just the 6th Anni front page.
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Yup, this actually worked for me, only downside is if I want to change the graphic settings further, I have to quit the game, log back in under safe mode, change the settings, quit, then log back in normally.|
Originally Posted by Tex
If you having graphical issues (not being able to see your character at the login screen for example) and you've already updated to the latest drivers, then you might want to also try the game's safe mode (checkbox at the user agreement screen).
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This could be an issue when it comes to MS raids or similar.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Sounds like you are running Windows 7.
In Windows 7 this is renamed to the AMD External Events Utility. I'm not certain about Vista and don't really feel like switching OS loads just to look at that service, sorry. *Looks for the remote control so that he can try to reprogram The Television with the codes for asking what OS people are using when they report that they don't have the ATI HotKey Poller service. Decides to ask pohsyb for a better user interface for controlling The Television instead. Everyone knows pohsyb is the Awesomesauce of the PS Programming crew.* |
The Television admits that it has been bested by your Holmes-like powers of observation and troubleshooting.
The screen goes blank. You can tell it is still crying on the inside, comparing itself to Pohsyb.
Good job Texas Justice. Now you've done it.
One cause of the "flashing screen" that I've noticed is scrolling through a 2d window. Scrolling through a store screen quickly causes a flash the first time, once everything has been "seen" once the flashes stop (with that window). It seems that any 2d window with pictures in them causes my screen to flash as I scroll through it quickly, if I do it slowly the flashes do not occur.
Running Vista 64 with a NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+, drivers are the 191.07.
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An interesting thing for me was that the issue went away going from test to live. I have an older AMD rig with 2 NVidia 7800 GTs and I was getting horrible input delay in closed and later open beta. I couldn't find any solution for it. On the same machine with everything running the same way the life servers are fine. Maybe that might help track some issues down.
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When you were in beta, did you try the steps that stopped any 3rd party programs/services from running at start-up? Nothing else changed?
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Originally Posted by Dunkelzahn_NA
An interesting thing for me was that the issue went away going from test to live. I have an older AMD rig with 2 NVidia 7800 GTs and I was getting horrible input delay in closed and later open beta. I couldn't find any solution for it. On the same machine with everything running the same way the life servers are fine. Maybe that might help track some issues down.
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You should be very, very careful disabling services in Windows, and you should never, ever do it in msconfig. You should use the Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services (at least in XP, dunno about Vista or 7, but I suspect it's similar?). And then, you should only disable services you *know* you don't need. Disabling all after a simple filter can cause all sorts of problems.|
2. Type "MSCONFIG" without the quotes, and click "OK." This should open the System Configuration Utility. 3. Go to the "Startup" tab and click the "Disable All" button. 4. Next go to "Services" tab and check the "Hide All Microsoft Services" check box, then click the "Disable All" button. |
That's some irresponsible advice by NCSoft.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
You should be very, very careful disabling services in Windows, and you should never, ever do it in msconfig. You should use the Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services (at least in XP, dunno about Vista or 7, but I suspect it's similar?). And then, you should only disable services you *know* you don't need. Disabling all after a simple filter can cause all sorts of problems.
That's some irresponsible advice by NCSoft. |
Well, irresponsible advice from The Television anyway. It acknowledges the wisdom of your post and edited its post to reflect the enlightenment you have bestowed upon it.
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You did note the "Hide all microsoft services" step, correct?
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Originally Posted by dave_p
You should be very, very careful disabling services in Windows, and you should never, ever do it in msconfig. You should use the Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services (at least in XP, dunno about Vista or 7, but I suspect it's similar?). And then, you should only disable services you *know* you don't need. Disabling all after a simple filter can cause all sorts of problems.
That's some irresponsible advice by NCSoft. |
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Originally Posted by The Television
The Television admits that it has been bested by your Holmes-like powers of observation and troubleshooting.
The screen goes blank. You can tell it is still crying on the inside, comparing itself to Pohsyb. Good job Texas Justice. Now you've done it. |
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You did not my reference to a "simple filter", correct? How do you know there isn't a 3rd party service that's critical to some network or video device?|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
You did note the "Hide all microsoft services" step, correct?
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Bottom line, if you're not familiar with Windows Services, you should tread very lightly. The new faq only tells people to disable a single service by ATI, and through the proper Services.msc, not msconfig. Much better.
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I'm also experiencing issues with my game which I've NEVER had before i17. Now don't get me wrong, I love CoX and it'll take much more than lagg to make me un-sub. I played Age of Conan at launch and have never quit the game as I still play it.
When I enabled Ultra mode to its highest settings I receive heavy lag. Only when I rezone or enter a mission does it become playable for the first few seconds before it begins to lag like crazy once again. I know for sure it's not my graphics card, as I play Age of Conan on the max settings during sieges, raids, and don't die by massive lagging.
Graphics card is an 8800.
Even when running in non-Ultra mode I receive minor lag which never happened before i17.
I play a game with graphics requirement is MUCH more demanding then this game. I've also read on the forums and tweaked around with about everything that would be causing this, but have found that it isn't my PC that's the problem.
I just have a question, when will this be resolved? I'd love to start enjoying CoX's content once more with the ultra mode as that was one of the big reasons for me returning to CoX. (That and DS xD I LOVE evil power sets! (^_^)b )
I love this game and I'm impressed with how far it has come but would like to play all the content that has been given to us. 
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There's a setting in the nVidia control panel that allows you to change the number of frames the CPU pre-renders before passing them to the GPU. If this number is set high it can cause input delays as the pre-rendering lags the CPU.|
Originally Posted by Dunkelzahn_NA
An interesting thing for me was that the issue went away going from test to live. I have an older AMD rig with 2 NVidia 7800 GTs and I was getting horrible input delay in closed and later open beta. I couldn't find any solution for it. On the same machine with everything running the same way the life servers are fine. Maybe that might help track some issues down.
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On a general note, graphics isn't just about the graphics card. The greater demands of UM can put a strain on GPU, CPU, memory, bus and so forth. You have to look at the whole system to locate potential problems.
SugarCrazeify, what video driver version are you using for you 8800?
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EDIT: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT |
Originally Posted by Tex
SugarCrazeify, what video driver version are you using for you 8800?
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Is there an issue with this driver? D:
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I don't know. You haven't told me what driver version you are using. I understand that your video card is an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT. The driver version is also very important.|
Originally Posted by SugarCrazeify
EDIT: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Is there an issue with this driver? D: |
If you have not updated your video card drivers in the past few months, I would recommend updating them. You should be able to get the latest from www.nvidia.com
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Ahh, that's probably it. I haven't updated the drivers in quite some time. Thanks, Tex! |
Originally Posted by Tex
I don't know. You haven't told me what driver version you are using. I understand that your video card is an NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT. The driver version is also very important.
If you have not updated your video card drivers in the past few months, I would recommend updating them. You should be able to get the latest from www.nvidia.com |
I appreciate the help.EDIT: Sorry for being a bit newbish lol, I'm not as adept with this kind of work as some may be. I'm still learning.
I'd suggest you be very careful about updating Drivers for older Nvidia Cards.
In my experience - the older the card, the higher the probability that the "Most Recent", "Uniform", (one-size-fits-all), allegedly "backward compatible" Drivers... Won't actually work! They'll almost work, but not quite, something will be wonky. You may not notice it till later on, the next day or even next week.
Don't automatically believe the hype, "Use the newest drivers" - Can in fact be, The worst advice possible. If you insist on following this advice, make sure you have a copy of your current stable driver, and be prepared to spend some time hunting down a 'new-ish' Driver.
This automatic 'cure-all' advice is like - calling your ISP for tech support when your internet connection goes down for maintenance/or there's a local outage/or whatever - And having them insist that you power-cycle your modem. (if you didn't do this before calling them - you have no business using a PC in 2010)
They'll followed that up by insisting that you bypass your hardware firewall/router, hook your PC directly to the modem "and see if that solves your problem".
That's not a responsible solution, certainly not a long-term solution, although it MIGHT let them see the last time your cable modem was reset and/or send it a signal and attempt to reset it.
But some of those folks will happily tell you don't need a hardware firewall "we don't support them", or some other nonsense they're reading from a manual... When they should be telling you to go ahead and re-plug your PC back into your router - after they've fiddled with your modem.
Anywho, I'd suggest you find a handful of the more notably/reputably stable Driver versions for your video card, and possibly chipset, sound or other on-board drivers (? = depending on the age of your system).
Before following the standard advice to "update all your drivers". This is only slightly more helpful than "make sure your power cable, keyboard, and mouse are all properly plugged in" - I mean sure that was great advice 10 or 20 years ago. But these days, not so much.
(Sorry about the rant - This is just one of my worst pet peeves.)
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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The newest versions of the drivers ARE known to work with the 8800 GT. They are stable and resolve many of the problems people are having with Issue 17 and the Ultra Mode changes.|
Originally Posted by Cardiff_Giant
I'd suggest you be very careful about updating Drivers for older Nvidia Cards.
In my experience - the older the card, the higher the probability that the "Most Recent", "Uniform", (one-size-fits-all), allegedly "backward compatible" Drivers... Won't actually work! They'll almost work, but not quite, something will be wonky. You may not notice it till later on, the next day or even next week. Don't automatically believe the hype, "Use the newest drivers" - Can in fact be, The worst advice possible. If you insist on following this advice, make sure you have a copy of your current stable driver, and be prepared to spend some time hunting down a 'new-ish' Driver. This automatic 'cure-all' advice is like - calling your ISP for tech support when your internet connection goes down for maintenance/or there's a local outage/or whatever - And having them insist that you power-cycle your modem. (if you didn't do this before calling them - you have no business using a PC in 2010) They'll followed that up by insisting that you bypass your hardware firewall/router, hook your PC directly to the modem "and see if that solves your problem". That's not a responsible solution, certainly not a long-term solution, although it MIGHT let them see the last time your cable modem was reset and/or send it a signal and attempt to reset it. But some of those folks will happily tell you don't need a hardware firewall "we don't support them", or some other nonsense they're reading from a manual... When they should be telling you to go ahead and re-plug your PC back into your router - after they've fiddled with your modem. Anywho, I'd suggest you find a handful of the more notably/reputably stable Driver versions for your video card, and possibly chipset, sound or other on-board drivers (? = depending on the age of your system). Before following the standard advice to "update all your drivers". This is only slightly more helpful than "make sure your power cable, keyboard, and mouse are all properly plugged in" - I mean sure that was great advice 10 or 20 years ago. But these days, not so much. (Sorry about the rant - This is just one of my worst pet peeves.) |
Tex knows what he's doing and I haven't seen him give off base information yet.
Besides, the 8800 GT isn't that old of a card (Wikipedia lists it's release date as October 29 of 2007). If it were a 6800 GT, an FX 5200 or a Geforce4 MX 440, sure, the latest drivers may not be the best solution.
People going off on rants without knowing whether the information given is correct or not is one of MY worst pet peeves. And I don't apologize for it at all.
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Some people, including myself have found that setting the priority to "high" in ventrilo has helped. YMMV |
Originally Posted by Scotty_Rage
Well, aside from the occasional screen flicker, my real issue so far is that i17 seems to be causing problems with my chat clients, i.e. Ventrilo and Skype, both of which I use often to communicate verbally with my friends in game. When I have the game up, these clients can't seem to stay connected, and I have problems with it seeming to block all audio and communications from them. I never had this problem before i17, so I know it's not my system, and my connection is fine. I can run ultra mode with hardly a hiccup, and it looks beautiful, but I would like to be able to keep communicating with my friends without having to stop and use in game chat every few seconds when I'm running a TF/SF or a trial, as it gets annoying. Any solution there?
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From ventrilo faq,
Q: Some games cause Ventrilo to delay sound and other functions.
It has been discovered that some games, like BF1942, will consume all of the CPU time of your computer. This in turn starves other applications like Ventrilo preventing them from carrying out their associated tasks. This is especially bad for voice comm programs that run in the background and independently of any game.
In the Setup-Misc page there is an option called "Process priority class". Setting it to high could very well solve these sorts of problems. However, please be sure to read the help documentation for this option so that you fully understand the ramifications of setting it to anything other then "Normal".
Additionally, the fact that it's listed only in an obscure time zone (BST? Bangladesh Standard Time is the primary meaning, but I'm guessing it's more likely to be British Summer Time; there's several others it could be including Burma Standard Time, Bissau Standard Time, and Burkina Faso Standard Time) isn't as helpful as it could have been with only a few minutes more work on their part.
If you're going to list only one time reference, it should be UTC, the world standard since around 1972 (replacing the old GMT, and almost the same unless you're worried about seconds per year). Obviously listing UTC and the server's timezone would be better yet.
Side note.. Is there a way to bring the main MoTD back up? I'd have thought /motd would do it, but it's not a command.
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