Obolishing the Market (WW/BM)

Oh nevermind, I just dont care anymore.

JJ

The main flaw in your entire argument is that you think IOs should be newbie friendly. IOs aren't meant to be a newbie friendly system. That's what regular enhancers are for. They are always available at consistent prices, and always sold at consistent prices. Completely fair.

Not to mention that lowbie recipes for the most part, are quite often available more cheaply than other types of enhancers.

In short, you have to judge the market by the aggregate, not the state of the high demand products that are desirable for highly specialized builds.

...yeah, your goals are completely out of whack. This system seems to mean that farming and organised raiding will become mandatory. I'd quit.

Let's just settle this. They should do a 25% cut on merit cost of IOs!

Here's a random tip to make money on the market!

People will pay through the nose to have stuff 'now', this extends to getting IOs pre-crafted, infact some set IOs double in price once they're crafted. Most of the uniques cost a hell of a lot more crafted than recipe form. the Numia unique is around 60 million recipe, crafted it's 80 million + (last time I checked).

Even if you get all the salvage at the 'buy it now' price you're still making a lot of profit.

If you really want to get rich it's probably best to summon Nethergoat.

This is one of the few MMOs where I've seen players post guides on how to get rich using the market. In WoW making profit off the auction house is usually a fiercely guarded secret due to the intense competition for each 'niche' in the market. Infact you'll often find niches dominated by one or two people.

Syndyr, you're a nice person in game, but this is a bad suggestion. If you need help in making influence, I'm happy to give you a few pointers. I even got KiTTY to the influence cap.

Let's look at the term "newbie" here.

A newbie is a new player. The system of SOs and common IOs is already completely purchasable from vendors, there is no need whatsoever to venture into the market to acquire them. A newbie is very unlikely to have much interest in using anything beyond that right away.

By the time you reach the point where you want to IO a character (note I said WANT, it is not a NEED at all) you are no longer a newbie.

So, what you're proposing is a way to make the game friendlier to newbies....by making it easier to acquire things most newbies aren't even using?

Sounds like you just want to purple your Warshade on the cheap to me.

I gotta say, there's some seriously bad ideas popping up on here.

It never ceases to amaze me how a single naive post can create two pages of people agreeing with each other at length. I'll file that under "internet forum phenomena".

I liken this suggestion to solving the problem of sour milk by shooting the cow. If most people liked sour milk better than steak, that is.

Ok, it's not a perfect metaphor.

Ohh This thread again, seems familiar. How come it seems so difficult for most people to realise that the so called crazy prices sets sell for is only bad when you're buying and that you don't HAVE to buy it nao? The whole market system and supply and demand can work for you if you start getting things people need. I dig the prices people are willing to pay for my recipes 20 merits gets me on a random roll or bronze rolls from the architect. I couldn't tell you how often one lucky roll spending merits from doing my regular arcs or a single TF has bankrolled a ton of other things i need. I like my level 5 character can run a few easy architect missions and take his newely purchased *insert best rare salvage here* via tickets down to the nearby market and make 2-3mil. They even placed both buildings together in Atlas park so you don't have to walk far. We're just ignoring the fact everything isn't completely priced out of any players reach .A few, really rare pieces are. Purples and PVP io's shouldn't even be included in discussions about how hard it is to finish a build and how expensive sets can be. They're an aberration.

Didn't mean to step on any toes, Bill, but I would qualify a few hundred million as being plenty "rich" enough to manage about 85% of what the game offers, even fancy IO sets. I frankenslotted IO'd my old villainous main completely out the wazoo for less than 50 million.

If you want to achieve that last 15% of the game shenanigans, you're expected to expend at least a little effort. At least, I do.

I think the easiest thing to do to drive down prices would be to change recipe drops. IMO one of the reasons the markets are so wonky here is unlike in real life where the government intervenes on behalf of consumers, the devs rarely intervene of behalf of the buyers. Although they have in the past increased drop rates for things such as costume pieces and corrected the drop rate issue we brought to their attention a few issues ago.

I doubt the devs can do anything to permanently get rid of RMTs and that is at least one of the causes of the absurd prices on the market, but they can tweak recipe drops to make it less profitable for RMTers. The drop rates themselves may not need to be changed (although I wouldn't complain if they were increased slightly). One thought I have is that "off" level recipes be removed. This would mean no more level 36 recipes, the enemies would only drop recipes at 0s and 5s. To make up for the removed recipe levels rates would have to be increased slightly.

In the case of procs I would suggest the levels be removed from them completely, so instead of having a level 30, 23 etc "Chance for Neg Energy damage" Touch of Death; players would simply receive the drop with no level restrictions as I beleive the level of the recipe does not change the effect of the proc.

Drops such as purples and respecs could probably stay the same, although I think they need to give more sets purples.

As far as PvP drops, in the interest of getting more people (reward motivated players such as myself) interested in PvP, that timer needs to be removed or seriously reduced.