Cops lol, lots of evil sadistic sons of ******* turn good and evil, back and forth
1 example Angel/Angelis
He killed many of his friends and even family but turned good cause A Gypsy gave him a soul.
See how easy it is. 
Sure, but there's gotta be some hard feelings about some of that stuff right? My normal human can't really go, "Oh yeah, sorry about all that. I didn't have a soul but I got some gypsy to give me one so its all forgiven."
I think you'll find in superhero fiction, the cops are incredibly forgiving.
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Actually he killed the gypsy daughter so they gypsys cursed him, it wasn't his choice at all.
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Originally Posted by Lewisite
Sure, but there's gotta be some hard feelings about some of that stuff right? My normal human can't really go, "Oh yeah, sorry about all that. I didn't have a soul but I got some gypsy to give me one so its all forgiven."
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Oh -- for sure. If only they where at all like that in real life. But I mean, when you go from red to blue, it really is all good? Why not just go Villain <-> Rogue <-> Hero, and not bother with labeling reds gone blue different than blues gone red?|
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
I think you'll find in superhero fiction, the cops are incredibly forgiving.
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Mind you, we won't know for sure until it comes out
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They're called different things because they're mechanically different. From what was said at HeroCon, etc, the system seems to be:|
Originally Posted by Lewisite
Oh -- for sure. If only they where at all like that in real life. But I mean, when you go from red to blue, it really is all good? Why not just go Villain <-> Rogue <-> Hero, and not bother with labeling reds gone blue different than blues gone red?
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Villain: Can only access redside zones, uses BM.
Rogue: Can access redside and blueside zones, but can only (or only primarily?) talk to redside contacts, and has to use BM.
Hero: Can only access blueside zones, uses WW.
Vigilante: Can access redside and blueside zones, but can only (or only primarily?) talk to blueside contacts, and has to use WW.
It would be very confusing to have them both called Rogues.
Whether there are some penalties to changing sides, we don't yet know, although in one of the recent interviews War Witch said something about mistrust of characters who have switched sides. No hint as to any mechanic, though.
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Several other threads have suggested it may mean restarting at zero inf when you switch. Which in terms of game lore makes sense since influence and infamy are supposed to represent your reputation/"pull" (among other things) and thus your ability to convince/intimidate citizens and organizations to supply what you need.
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Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
Whether there are some penalties to changing sides, we don't yet know, although in one of the recent interviews War Witch said something about mistrust of characters who have switched sides. No hint as to any mechanic, though.
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Examples of villains becoming rogues, and then becoming heroes:
- Magneto - Super-Villain who has assisted the X-men on many occasions
- Deadpool - A crazy assassin for hire who sometimes works for the good guys
- Hawkeye - Originally an enemy of Iron Man who went on to become an Avenger
The public at large and their former enemies don't trust them at first, but they would rather have them on their side than against them. And some times enough trust is gained so that the past can be forgiven and forgotten.
There are also lots of popular stories where the government recruits bad guys to do things others are unable, or unwilling, to do. Eg. The Dirty Dozen, xXx, and the Thunderbolts.
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Not really. We know Villains become Rogues then Heroes, and Heroes become Vigilantes then Villains, but other than that very little has been said. You do missions in certain ways to get credit either positive or negative, and if you want to change standing, then you complete some kind of epic mission/arc and that changes your side.|
Originally Posted by Lewisite
Ok, I'm sure this has been brought up but I didn't see it anywhere.
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We know there will be some kind of advantage for either staying as you are, or changing, so that it doesn't automatically become your "best" option to simply play one of the Gray Area classifications.
As for how the world looks at you, we know very little about that. Presumably the missions you do explain that.
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What, in the name of all that is very badly named, is xXx from?
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Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
There are also lots of popular stories where the government recruits bad guys to do things others are unable, or unwilling, to do. Eg. The Dirty Dozen, xXx, and the Thunderbolts.
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xXx
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
What, in the name of all that is very badly named, is xXx from?
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
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This sounds like yet another movie where i'd be rooting for both the heroes and villains to kill each other off, and taking out the director and producer with the crossfire, if possible.
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Chances are, the in-game content is going to act like everything is fabby dabby doo. Since players already roleplay as if this is the norm, it's not like they're going to give a crap either. And it's also not like your character has 'Villain' branded on their forehead, so...
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Originally Posted by Lewisite
Oh -- for sure. If only they where at all like that in real life. But I mean, when you go from red to blue, it really is all good? Why not just go Villain <-> Rogue <-> Hero, and not bother with labeling reds gone blue different than blues gone red?
Mind you, we won't know for sure until it comes out |
Looks like most people are gonna be a rogue/vigilante because then they can access every zone in the game.
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From what we know, the process is:|
Originally Posted by Lewisite
He goes Villain -> Rogue -> Vigilante or something right?
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Villain -> Rogue -> Hero
Hero -> Vigilante -> Villain
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Originally Posted by Lewisite
Whats different between a Vigilante and a Hero, mechanics-wise?
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Rogue: Access to all zones and Black Market
Vigilante: Access to all zones and Wentworth's
Hero: Access to CoH zones, Wentworth's, and Praetoria
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Rogues and Vigilantes can't access Praetoria? That's not right, if it's correct. 
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I think Praetoria is covered by "all zones" |
Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Rogues and Vigilantes can't access Praetoria? That's not right, if it's correct.
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The Punisher is another example. He's sort of a good guy, but he's wanted by every law enforcement agency in the world for hundreds or even thousands of murders. He's a good guy by the only standard he cares about: his own. Criminals fear him the way they would never fear the police. There is no appealing his sentence, no jury to buy off, no witnesses to intimidate. If the Punisher catches up to you, you're a dead man. Criminals know that he will not hesitate to kill them, whereas the police will arrest them, and they can get out of it on a technicality. No technicality in the world has ever brought someone back from the dead.
I suspect that just because you're a bad guy gone good all is not going to be forgiven. You know all the Longbow and cops that hang out in paragon City? How much do you want to bet they're going to attack any Rogues they see? The life of a Rogue is probably going to be a dangerous one.
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Originally Posted by Lewisite
Sure, but there's gotta be some hard feelings about some of that stuff right? My normal human can't really go, "Oh yeah, sorry about all that. I didn't have a soul but I got some gypsy to give me one so its all forgiven."
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Primal Earth Malaise is a great example of our upcoming Going Rogue game feature. He walks the line between hero and villain and has been both at one time or another. Jean-Pierre Lourdin started out as a villain. His powerful psychic abilities twisted his sense of reality and caused him to perform selfish and evil acts. Sister Psyche was able to heal some of the damage to his mind and monitored him through a mind link during the time he was her sidekick. When Sister P was returned to the body of Shalice Tilman, her link with Jean-Pierre was broken. In the aftermath, Malaise returned to his villainous ways but after Ms. Liberty found him and defeated him in battle she offered him another chance to reform. The Vindicators are all about second chances and although many of Paragons heroes are keeping a close eye on him, Malaise has toed the line so far."
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It's actually a pretty common thing. It serves to "blur the line" between good and evil; paint it with a few shades of grey. It's particularly prevalent in superhero-type things to help convey the moral ambiguity that goes along with being a hero.
Sure, you could save that kid from the speeding train heading right for him. But what's to say he won't blow up a train in the future, killing everyone on board?
As others have said, the people around the Vigilante/Rogue don't necessarily drop everything and become all buddy-buddy with him. They accept him, but they are always prepared for, and are usually expecting, a knife in the back.
Think of it...like confidential informants. They are criminals, but the cops work with them to try and catch the "bigger fish" that the CI works for. Why catch a single dope dealer when you can wipe out the entire ring? That sort of thing.
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*nod* If we were talking about the real world, yeah, no one would probably trust your former villain. But this isn't the real world we're talking about, is it?
As it stands, yes, there are going to be some people who RP not trusting villain ATs. But unless you know a specific character was actually a Rogue Isles character and not a Praetorian character, it's all going to blur after a while anyway.
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I a can agree with rogue/vigilante from the zone access standpoint.|
Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
Looks like most people are gonna be a rogue/vigilante because then they can access every zone in the game.
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I guess is that many are going to try for vigilante instead of rogue as vigilante give you access to the Blue side market WW which supposedly has better gear than BM.
There's also the factor that, Villains do their villainy mostly in a seperate country, that does'nt like to deal with Paragon at ALL. Quite a bit of their career might not be known in Paragon.
"Oh, you mean that guy who robbed a few banks over here? Well, he DID use to live in the Rogue Isles, can't blame him for that. It's not like he used to work for Recluse or kidnap homeless people for a mad scientist or anything, at least, not that I know of, I think I can give him a second chance."
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
Looks like most people are gonna be a rogue/vigilante because then they can access every zone in the game.
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There was stated that there would be some sort of significant 'reward' for staying 'pure' hero or villain as well.
What that is, and how it ties into Posi's new design of end game content we shall see. Also how it ties into characters created in Preatoria.
It is necessary specifically to avoid vigilante/rogue being the 'default' condition that everyone plays at.
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Ok, I'm sure this has been brought up but I didn't see it anywhere.
So, lets say, my main villain decides its time to maybe drop his beef with the Goverment and bury the hatchet. Its been bloodied enough anyway.
What? Are they just gonna go, "Oh, well, I guess he's sorry then. Sure, he's robbed about two hundred banks, shot up thousands of police officers and longbow agents, burned books destined for poor children, stole several nuclear bombs and dropped them on the freedom phalanx, and far more crimes then what could possibly be said or even listed in bullet form in a single reading... but hey, he's done with all that. Water under the bridge I say."
I don't quite understand the mechanics. He goes Villain -> Rogue -> Vigilante or something right? Dandy. Whats different between a Vigilante and a Hero, mechanics-wise? So is he still on the books for all the rather nasty stuff he did previously?
I mean the cops at least gotta have a problem with a bunch of stuff that was done ;P They aren't the forgiving types when it comes to a lot of that kind of stuff.