giving us going rogue for free??

As noted throughout the thread, CoV was given out for free only after 2, nearly 3 years. That's a lot of time holding back, seeing your friends enjoy amazing new content, just to avoid spending money on something that will be free later.

Heck, I guarantee you that you will be able to find a copy for less than a month worth of game within a year of it being released as part of some store inventory cleanup.

Also, should this expansion be successful you can be sure there will be more, and it's current trend of MMOs to give previous expansions for free when you buy the latest as it makes sure your population is not fragmented into dozens of combination of "haves" and "haves not"

There is also the point that CoV was breaking the game in two groups of players, it was easier to maintain things if you knew every player had access to it all.

Also, they had an idea of what was going to be on the expansion long ago. It is very likely they had that idea the day they gave CoV out for all. Think about it, Going Rogue's main feature, side switching, would had been meaningless if you were not able to switch to the other side and play there.

I paid full price for CoV and dont regret it.

If you are just looking for a reason not to get it, hold on buying, as I noted, within a year you will likely find it on some discount bin. Keep in mind, though, that actual expansions (CoV was a different beast) tend to have the effect of luring the entire playerbase out of the old world and into the new. You may find the old-game a very lonely place.

One thing I don't notice people mentioning.

COV release: October 2005.
Good vs Evil release: Wal-Mart, Sept 2006. Not even a year later. (Which means *each and every person buying that* was getting both games.)
The Merge: One Time Grant, Dec 2007. Permanent: July 2008.

So, for over a year, there were people who potentially paid for the full version of one side of the game who weren't getting all the content the new players (using GvE) were. Including SG bases.

Gee. Wonder why they allowed everyone access.

The only way you're getting GR free is if they make an "All cities" edition that's priced the exact same (no extra cost for the first non-standalone expansion) as the regular version, and it becomes the only version you can get. I don't see that happening. An "All Cities" version that sells at a premium over the regular version would not be the same (but would, IMHO, be more likely to see.)

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Granting access to CoV to everyone was a common sense publicity stunt that allowed PlayNC present themselves as benevolent new owners who were going to do things better and be more generous to the customers than Cryptic Studios were, mainly to counter the doom and panic of the game property being sold over. This and a few others were moves to ensure the players that the sale didn't mean the game was going to be scrapped, but that it was, in fact, going to be further developed by a company that was interested in its bright future.

It was common sense, as well, because no-one was really making any more money off people buying CoH boxes AND CoV boxes, partly because people were buying Good vs. Evil and partly because separate standalone boxes were plain no longer sold. As such, all the separation did was deny some people access to content that they "should" have had, bringing in no revenue, but hurting players' perception of the game. Bases, for instance, were unavailable to CoH-only players. Finally, they gave up on the "expansionalone" front and just made it all one and the same game.

I wouldn't hope for the same to transpire with Going Rogue. But even if it did, only a fool waits years to avoid a $30 cost, at least when he can afford the PC to run the game and the ISP fee to connect to the servers.

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We wuz ROBBED, Guv'nor!

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This topic keeps coming us, and it is getting old. It (CoH or CoV) was iven for free, so? More people to play with is what it really did. I had both, I have bought a copy of everything CoX has offered, be it digital content, or physical content. IT supported my favorite game company.

You were not robbed. You had access to the content that you purchased for almost 3 years longer than those who did not, and you gained more people to play with when it was given away for free. Out of all the things to complain about, this is the worst I have seen, and is getting old the fastest.

They won't be giving it out free to existing members.

-But-, the retail version in physical stores contains City of Heroes and City of Villains as well. So if you're a new player you can pretty much just pick up the whole game. It'll be more expensive that the Architect Edition, but it'll still be a complete game.

They won't be giving it out free to existing members.

-But-, the retail version in physical stores contains City of Heroes and City of Villains as well. So if you're a new player you can pretty much just pick up the whole game. It'll be more expensive that the Architect Edition, but it'll still be a complete game.

If you're willing to wait about a year after it releases, you can most likely pick up GR from an Amazon affiliate seller brand new for anywhere between $8 and 99 cents. I got the CoV collector's edition for $7 that way. CoH: Architect Edition can be had for 99 cents this way right now, too.

WARNING: I bold names.

I think Doctor_Bob has gotten the message by now.

Depends alot on the circumstances. When it becomes more expensive to deal with divergent install-bases, it may be 'gifted' out like CoH and CoV were merged together. The concept of an expandalone really failed, so that's part of the reason for that.

Personally, I don't anticipate it becoming free in that manner, I can see perhaps it being included with future retail expansion boxes, but I dunno.

I would not plan or anticipate it though .

Going Rogue is $40. Includes a free month, value $15 - so $25. Includes the item pack (that will NOT be given away even if they give GR access in the future), probable value $10 - so $15.

Let's say they do release GR away in two years like they did COV. $15 / 24 months = $0.625 a month.

Yeeeeah, I see this as such a huge ripoff. Right.



Seriously, think of it as paying for an extra month of subscription. If you want to wait, that's your choice, but it's a really dumb one.

So you cant afford Going Rogue?

Guess what you can do... Get a jar/bottle/box and put 1 dollar in everyday until GR gets officially launched in JULY.

Since it's four months out, you could put in 33 cents per day and still have enough for one copy of the Complete Collection.

From what I have been seeing GR is going to be worth the 40 bucks and as others have said it isn't going to be released until July. Do yourself a favor and set a few bucks back here and there. Skip the occasional apple pie with your happy meal and drink some water instead of mountain dew once in awhile between now and then and you will be able to afford it.

This is a good game with an absolutely great bunch of devs. This new expansion is going to totally blow the doors off of the hinges. Whining about having to pay for all the hard work they are doing is petty and reeks of a sense of entitlement. Pony up and enjoy.

Hey guys! Lets stop buying anything and everything! At some point its going to be old, and possible outdated and free! That is the only time to buy/obtain things!!!!11!!one!!

"Going Rogue" will not cost $40, but rather $30. Going Rogue: The Complete Collection will cost $40, and bargain or not, one doesn't have to spend even this much on it. Moreover, many probably won't, since Going Rogue: The Incomplete Collection will grant early access to Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning whereas The Complete Collection will not. Not much of a decision there, really.

As well, the big fail in this whole rant is the misunderstanding of what one's money actually buys. If we consider that you buy JUST a product in complete isolation of everything else, then yes, making that product free later on IS a ripoff. However, buying the expansion buys you not just the product, but also TIME during which you can enjoy it. One would think that MMO subscribers would be well adjusted to paying for time by now, so why is it such a shock that you pay more money to get a product earlier so you can use it a longer time, vs. paying less or nothing later on but not being able to use it for some time?

It's simple cost economics, really. If you want it NOW like I do, you will pay. If you don't, you can wait for a discount or denomination.

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