'casual player' earning power
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Another_Fan,
Posted on: 2010-02-23 11:45 in The Market and Inventions
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Replies like this baffle me. A "casual" player can't like to PvP? Maybe the only reason the person even wants to play is to PvP, but REAL life hinders that. A person CAN be casual and like to PvP, IMO. (note, IMO.) Just like you gave yours. |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
And of which case he is no longer casual.
Casual pvp died a long time ago. |
People love to say, "you can play with SO's", "casual" players have no need for the better things since they are just casual" (even tho they pay every month like everyone else, just don't have the hours to log each day).
What makes you people think that just because they can't play as much as others that they have no desire or want to make an UBER toon? The "casual-ness" may not be entirely up to them if they have a family to take care of. That BY NO MEANS makes their desire to have some of the better things any less. They surely can't afford it these days but you shouldn't act like they don't want it because YOU DON'T KNOW EVERY CASUAL PLAYER in this game. Talk about entitlement issues...
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Everything in this game is a "want". That includes the Fitness pool everyone is so love with. Seriously, that's starting to get ridiculous.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
He doesn't NEED the better things in the game AT ALL. No matter how he plays.
The game runs fine with just SOs. IOs are completely 100% a WANT. So again, no he doesn't NEED the better things. |
You keep going that way, pretty soon you'll be talking about how all you really "need" in this game are sprint, rest, and brawl.
For example, in order to keep all my toggles running on my WP/DB tank (this includes Focused Accuracy from the Energy Mastery set), I needed to slot the Performance Shifter +END proc three times (in Quick Recovery, Stamina, and Physical Perfection). Combined with the Numina and Miracle sets (as well as Quick Recovery, Stamina, and Physical Perfection), I was finally able to get my tank to perform closer to what I always wanted. It's my intention to re-slot Physical Perfection with the Panacea set, and move the +Regen IO from the Regenerative Tissue set into Rise to the Challenge.
Phew, after typing all that out (and stopping every minute while trying to remember the names of all the powers and IO sets), I've totally forgotten what my point was. I think it was something about stop telling me what I can do in a videogame. 'Cause... it's a videogame! Yeah. Whatever. My tank is really cool to play. So there.
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EDIT 2: That's right, I just remembered. I have four slots in Focused Accuracy. Three of them are filled with the Rectified Reticle set. The fourth slot has a Cytoskeleton Exposure Hamidon Origin Enhancement combined twice to make it 50++. And why do I have it that way instead of say, having three Cytos and just the +Perception IO? Why, to get the +regen bonus from the set of course! I have the power!
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I am a casual player by most definitions and I do have one field crafter. In the time I have played this game I have tried every part of it at one time or another and as a mini game for myself I decided to go for field crafter just to see if I could get it. It did take me months to do it, but I did finally. |
Originally Posted by gec72
I would classify having a field crafter as outside the bounds of "casual".
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As far as Nethergoat's experiment, I am not sure about the inf figure as I play red side mostly. My 6 50's there are all IO'ed with "good" sets and anywhere from 10-100 million inf on them.
And I know someone will say I am not "casual" since I have 8 50's
I'd like to make the argument that any player that participates on this board is most definitely not a casual player.
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I spend more time on these boards than I do playing. I actually haven't logged in at all in over 2 weeks and probably not more than 10 hours in 2 months. I used to play way too much...lol
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I'd like to make the argument that any player that participates on this board is most definitely not a casual player.
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I'm like that in the summer months, simply because it often gets way too hot where I live for me to be using my computer for anything other than web browsing. I'm hoping to rectify that problem if I can assemble a new computer for myself soon.|
Originally Posted by Gruumch
I spend more time on these boards than I do playing. I actually haven't logged in at all in over 2 weeks and probably not more than 10 hours in 2 months. I used to play way too much...lol
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And yeah, I used to play this game to death! I actually unsubscribed for about six months in 2005, because I was playing it way to danged much and it was starting to interfere with other parts of my life. I'm not so bad now, of course. And if I had it to do over again, I'd have just stopped playing and not actually canceled (and instead, just uninstall the game, in order to quell the temptation to play it!).
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Have to say that you're probably doing something wrong - my DB/WP Scrapper has all of those toggles with Stamina and Quick Recovery, and he almost never ran out of end when he had SOs (unless Hasten was running). Even now I have very little +Rec slotted (certainly no procs) and never even look at my blue bar. I have no idea why you'd feel that you need all of that +Recovery just to run at an acceptable level.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Everything in this game is a "want". That includes the Fitness pool everyone is so love with. Seriously, that's starting to get ridiculous.
You keep going that way, pretty soon you'll be talking about how all you really "need" in this game are sprint, rest, and brawl. For example, in order to keep all my toggles running on my WP/DB tank (this includes Focused Accuracy from the Energy Mastery set), I needed to slot the Performance Shifter +END proc three times (in Quick Recovery, Stamina, and Physical Perfection). Combined with the Numina and Miracle sets (as well as Quick Recovery, Stamina, and Physical Perfection), I was finally able to get my tank to perform closer to what I always wanted. It's my intention to re-slot Physical Perfection with the Panacea set, and move the +Regen IO from the Regenerative Tissue set into Rise to the Challenge. Phew, after typing all that out (and stopping every minute while trying to remember the names of all the powers and IO sets), I've totally forgotten what my point was. I think it was something about stop telling me what I can do in a videogame. 'Cause... it's a videogame! Yeah. Whatever. My tank is really cool to play. So there. |
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia And of which case he is no longer casual. Casual pvp died a long time ago. |
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Replies like this baffle me. A "casual" player can't like to PvP? Maybe the only reason the person even wants to play is to PvP, but REAL life hinders that. A person CAN be casual and like to PvP, IMO. (note, IMO.) Just like you gave yours.
People love to say, "you can play with SO's", "casual" players have no need for the better things since they are just casual" (even tho they pay every month like everyone else, just don't have the hours to log each day). What makes you people think that just because they can't play as much as others that they have no desire or want to make an UBER toon? The "casual-ness" may not be entirely up to them if they have a family to take care of. That BY NO MEANS makes their desire to have some of the better things any less. They surely can't afford it these days but you shouldn't act like they don't want it because YOU DON'T KNOW EVERY CASUAL PLAYER in this game. Talk about entitlement issues... |
I also consider myself a casual PvPr. I have no pvp builds, no pvp-only characters, no pvp-recipes. But I show up in the zones, I fight, I usually lose, and I have fun. Still trying to talk some equally incompetent friends into casual arena matches.
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I might have overstated things just a little bit.|
Originally Posted by Redoubtable
Have to say that you're probably doing something wrong - my DB/WP Scrapper has all of those toggles with Stamina and Quick Recovery, and he almost never ran out of end when he had SOs (unless Hasten was running). Even now I have very little +Rec slotted (certainly no procs) and never even look at my blue bar. I have no idea why you'd feel that you need all of that +Recovery just to run at an acceptable level.
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But, before I did all that, having all those toggles on at once meant that my tank couldn't stay in a fight for very long. Usually enough to take on most mobs of enemies, and with only a second or two of recovery time before moving on. But against an EB or AV? Forget it. Unless I'm on a team and mostly taunting, I'd have to cease my attack chain for a while.
As well, there might be slightly different numbers for these powers from a tank to a scrapper. I'm not sure. I don't have the numbers in front of me because I'm not at home, but I vaguely recall that my tank has about a 4.3 end/sec recovery rate. All the toggles on eats up about 1.6 end/sec of that (or maybe it was 2.1 end/sec, I don't remember exactly). Almost all the attack powers have three slots: one with a Perfect Zinger Chance for Psi Dam proc, the other two with Nucleolus Exposures.
That tank still needs to be worked on more, but it works pretty well for me right now.
EDIT: You know, now that I think about it, I could probably put in three IOs from the Mako's bite set in all of those powers. Like, say, the last three of the set (Acc/End/Rech, Acc/Dam/End/Rech, Chance for Lethal Damage). That would also have the benefit of increasing my hit points, which right now are at about 3010 hp. Not to mention increase immob resistance. Hmm...
Sounds like the difference might be that most of my attacks are six-slotted and all of them contain EndRdx to some degree.
Bringing it back to the point, I don't think your example really demonstrates that IOs are needed, if that's the point you were getting at. The goalposts have shifted a lot since IOs were introduced, such that SO builds that were considered perfectly adequate a few years ago are now seen as weak because they don't overcome the inbuilt limitations of their archetypes. Your tank could slot 2xEndRdx in all of your tank's attacks to address his end issues, which would trade off a reduction in end usage for reduced damage or accuracy. Nowadays you can get IOs which will allow you to get the same benefit without the trade-off, which is great, but that doesn't mean that you need them. As has been mentioned many times, the game is still balanced around SO builds.
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That very well may be it. I would have liked to have six-slotted all of my attacks, but I had to give slots to other just as important things.|
Originally Posted by Redoubtable
Sounds like the difference might be that most of my attacks are six-slotted and all of them contain EndRdx to some degree.
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| Bringing it back to the point, I don't think your example really demonstrates that IOs are needed, if that's the point you were getting at. The goalposts have shifted a lot since IOs were introduced, such that SO builds that were considered perfectly adequate a few years ago are now seen as weak because they don't overcome the inbuilt limitations of their archetypes. Your tank could slot 2xEndRdx in all of your tank's attacks to address his end issues, which would trade off a reduction in end usage for reduced damage or accuracy. Nowadays you can get IOs which will allow you to get the same benefit without the trade-off, which is great, but that doesn't mean that you need them. As has been mentioned many times, the game is still balanced around SO builds. |
But I still beg to differ. The reason you need certain things in this game, is that you want certain results. I don't think there's some cut-and-dry division between "need" and "want" in this game. Mostly because, well... it's a game! You need this game about as much as you need a sports car.
That's true, "need" is a fairly nebulous concept in this context. My highly subjective definition is that "need" is what's required for your character to perform to the level that one could reasonably expect given the abilities/limitations of their archetype and power sets (assuming relative competence on the part of the player). The line where "need" turns to "want" is when a character gains the ability to solo a tough EB without Shivans/Nukes, partially because this was the expectation I had in SO days, and partially because the game usually gives you a warning if you're about to enter a mission which contains an EB.
I didn't read the whole thread but...I can't see how you get 312 million at level 50 just from playing and selling all drops. I would be surprised if that was normal for non-marketeers.
How much did you make from your merits?
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I recently leveled a Brute from 1-50, and he "earned" 400 million going from 49-50. Of course, that was a single purple drop...
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Originally Posted by Clebstein
I didn't read the whole thread but...I can't see how you get 312 million at level 50 just from playing and selling all drops. I would be surprised if that was normal for non-marketeers.
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You can earn more than 300 million from one drop if you're lucky, which I wasn't.|
Originally Posted by Clebstein
I didn't read the whole thread but...I can't see how you get 312 million at level 50 just from playing and selling all drops.
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And conversely, it's entirely possible someone could get worse drops than I did and earn less inf.
It's just one data point. While someone else might make more, or less, on the way to 50 they would still end up with a big, fat pile of inf, more than enough to kit themselves out with anything short of the game's most extreme luxury goods.
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I'll keep closer track of where the inf is coming from on my experimental stalker.
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I am leveling up an Elec/Shd Scrapper. Aside from 120mil that I pulled from another toon (I plan on trying to be ebil with this toon later) and the generic IOs I have put on this toon, I can get you another data point by the time this is said and done. I will try not to drop too many more Inventions into him so that the average cost of the ones I have can be adjusted from his final bankroll (A Kismet +toHit and a lv 11 Steadfast that dropped).|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
You can earn more than 300 million from one drop if you're lucky, which I wasn't.
And conversely, it's entirely possible someone could get worse drops than I did and earn less inf. It's just one data point. While someone else might make more, or less, on the way to 50 they would still end up with a big, fat pile of inf, more than enough to kit themselves out with anything short of the game's most extreme luxury goods. I wasn't keeping track, but I didn't get any 'great' drops from his merits- the single best recipe was a hard to get Posi that went for 10 million. I'll keep closer track of where the inf is coming from on my experimental stalker. |
That said, what should I try to do with any decently priced market salvage or recipes that drop? How much do we want luck (or lack thereof) to affect this?
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Has anybody ever got MoRSF or MoSTF with an all SO team ? Now that would be a challenge, and if some of the best can't do it then I'd suggest not everything is balanced around SOs.
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Originally Posted by Redoubtable
Sounds like the difference might be that most of my attacks are six-slotted and all of them contain EndRdx to some degree.
Bringing it back to the point, I don't think your example really demonstrates that IOs are needed, if that's the point you were getting at. The goalposts have shifted a lot since IOs were introduced, such that SO builds that were considered perfectly adequate a few years ago are now seen as weak because they don't overcome the inbuilt limitations of their archetypes. Your tank could slot 2xEndRdx in all of your tank's attacks to address his end issues, which would trade off a reduction in end usage for reduced damage or accuracy. Nowadays you can get IOs which will allow you to get the same benefit without the trade-off, which is great, but that doesn't mean that you need them. As has been mentioned many times, the game is still balanced around SO builds. |
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Goat,
Did you happen to click on an M citizen afterward? I'm curious about your hour count.
I'm gonna replicate the Goats experiment.
I have a lvl 12 Gravity/Energy Dominator (Single Target specialist) over Triumph way with 35,000 infamy. Gonna solo him and run arcs and I'll get back to you. When he gets DO's I'll bump diff, same with SO's.
He already has 17 merits I think but I might "buy" some large insp to sell for his first group of generic IO's. Will see...
Noght 50 Scrapper Broadsword/Invulnerability
Fire Umbra 50 Brute Dark Melee/Fire Aura
Impulse Cry 50 Blaster Sonic/Energy
Internist 50 Mastermind Poison/Thugs
Ice Omega 50 Corrupter Ice/Radiation
Prickly Heat 50 Dominator Plant/Fire
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Velocity
Goat,
Did you happen to click on an M citizen afterward? I'm curious about your hour count. |
The hour count on this particular character wouldn't tell us much because he went 1-35 in the Olden Tymes, when leveling was MUCH slower, the environment for a solo blaster was MUCH less forgiving and the debt cap was MUCH higher. I'm positive it took him a lot longer to get to 35 than it did to get from 35-50. I'll check his hour total the next time I log in though, just for kicks.
I'll keep closer track of this metric with my stalker
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ok checked him out- 790 hours on patrol, the majority of which was pre ED.
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Stamina runs perfectly fine with SOs. You don't need IOs.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Everything in this game is a "want". That includes the Fitness pool everyone is so love with. Seriously, that's starting to get ridiculous.
You keep going that way, pretty soon you'll be talking about how all you really "need" in this game are sprint, rest, and brawl. For example, in order to keep all my toggles running on my WP/DB tank (this includes Focused Accuracy from the Energy Mastery set), I needed to slot the Performance Shifter +END proc three times (in Quick Recovery, Stamina, and Physical Perfection). Combined with the Numina and Miracle sets (as well as Quick Recovery, Stamina, and Physical Perfection), I was finally able to get my tank to perform closer to what I always wanted. It's my intention to re-slot Physical Perfection with the Panacea set, and move the +Regen IO from the Regenerative Tissue set into Rise to the Challenge. Phew, after typing all that out (and stopping every minute while trying to remember the names of all the powers and IO sets), I've totally forgotten what my point was. I think it was something about stop telling me what I can do in a videogame. 'Cause... it's a videogame! Yeah. Whatever. My tank is really cool to play. So there. |
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Casual pvp died a long time ago.