Discussion: Two Ways to Get Going Rogue


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Let's be honest here. Buissness yada yada. We know that. No one is denying they are a buissness with numero uno being MAKE MONEY.

I think honestly they should have announced FIRST what is IN GR... and then later announce payment plans.


 

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GR is very, very important for CoH at this point in its life. Let me add before I say anything more that I am a loyal CoH player and have been for 5 years. But GR needs to make sure that GR is the real deal. When Champions Online went live we all noticed a big drop in the number of players within are servers (lets all be real, we did). GR is the only thing that will give CoH a fighting chance when DCU Online goes live later this year.


 

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I am not even remotely interested as of late with the GR expansion...not enough news for me to bite into. You ever been to a pizzeria and you had a craving for a gyro but you saw that pathetic spinning piece of lamb that had no flesh on it... that's what I see when I think of GR...

When we get some game details, I would start looking. The devs can start with the simple question like " Will I be able to play with Rogues/Vigilantes in PC/RI even if I don't have the expansion?" For me this is a question that has not been asked or answered... I want to know if I can skip this expansion but still be on a team that has a rogue, because frankly I am not interested in GR.


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GR is the only thing that will give CoH a fighting chance when DCU Online goes live later this year.
I think SOE will be a bigger boost for CoH than GR


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When we get some game details, I would start looking. The devs can start with the simple question like " Will I be able to play with Rogues/Vigilantes in PC/RI even if I don't have the expansion?" For me this is a question that has not been asked or answered... I want to know if I can skip this expansion but still be on a team that has a rogue, because frankly I am not interested in GR.
The answer is "no" - to switch sides, you must own a copy of GR.


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The answer is "no" - to switch sides, you must own a copy of GR.
The original question is regarding one's ability to TEAM WITH those who have switched sides, not one's ability to switch sides oneself. I cannot imagine that the answer to that question would be 'no.'


 

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The answer is "no" - to switch sides, you must own a copy of GR.
I don't think Shadow Wail was asking if you can switch sides without GR but if you can still team with someone who has switched sides without GR. I would believe the answer to that would be a yes.

Edit - D'oh, beaten to it by Dark Quill


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When we get some game details, I would start looking. The devs can start with the simple question like " Will I be able to play with Rogues/Vigilantes in PC/RI even if I don't have the expansion?" For me this is a question that has not been asked or answered... I want to know if I can skip this expansion but still be on a team that has a rogue, because frankly I am not interested in GR.
I don't see why you wouldn't be able to, though, like having a team in the RWZ or Pocket D it will likely break team if the team heads to a "One Side Only" zone opposed to yours (and possibly even Pretoria). This could get interesting with people popping out the Oro portal and going to the opposed one thinking it will be a shortcut to where they're going.

If they did bar you from teaming with a GR user, that would also bar GR users from teaming with everyone who didn't have it, creating an two entirely different teaming pools on the same "side," which would be a bit of a disaster for the game. It would also open up the "So, wait, GR penalizes you for owing it since you can't team with these other people?" can of worms.


 

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Ok after wading through 16 pages of replies, my simple conclusion is . . . . . .

I will wait, since I want the box with the DVDs so I can have the latest copy of disks for back-up. Yes it would be nice to have the powers unlocked live early but I'll content myself with the test server for now. Besides, like others have mentioned in the last 2-3 pages, I want more information on GR before I confirm my desire for this latest paid edition. Though it will certainly be nice to have the newest edition of CoX hard copy.

Now if they included an option to pre-pay order the BOXED set from NCSoft store, paying say an extra $5 on top of the $39.99 to also have the powers unlocked early, for a total of $44.99. Then have the physical box set actually sent to me @ time of actual release, I'd actually seriously consider doing the "blind" purchase of the GR edition. But that would be the only case as I want the Hard copy & item/time perks.


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Wow way to be needlessly complicated and confusing. nothing like having a company make it DIFFICULT to figure out how to purchase the product they want to sell. GREAT planning, excellent work. You guys are GENIUSES.


 

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I want the box with the DVDs so I can have the latest copy of disks for back-up.
Yes, I would like to have that too, but sadly no box for EU-players.


 

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So if we purchase this early do we get a free month subscription too?
If i remember correctly no.
You can`t preorder the complete edition which has one month of free play. You can just preorder the update which gives you early access to DP and DS.


 

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Sorry, but that is really, really...Stupid.
Why not allow the complete edition for pre-order?

And why in seven hells is Europe getting the shaft AGAIN when it comes to retail? It sucked when it came to Architect edition, and it sucks again now! What the heck, man? Not amused. Not amused at all.

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Sorry, but that is really, really...Stupid.
Why not allow the complete edition for pre-order?

And why in seven hells is Europe getting the shaft AGAIN when it comes to retail? It sucked when it came to Architect edition, and it sucks again now! What the heck, man? Not amused. Not amused at all.
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Not really confused myself since EU've been down this road before. Most of were hoping then that it was because there was another box later in the year or that GR was closer than we thought.

I like having physical copies of the game and the last time I had to reload the client it was quicker to just copy over from my old PC with one of my large flash drives which I try to keep updated. And given that GR is an EXPANSION like WoW's Wrath of the Lich King; why the hell aren't we getting a new box over here? It's been said before that a box on the shelves is a presense and I've seen almost every WoW expansion take pride of place on the PC chart each time they're released. And since the Architect Edition there's also been:
William Shatner,
Ozzy Osbourne,
Verne Troyer,
Mr T. &
Mohawk Grenade.
Last advert City(EU) had was an advert in PC Gamer.

And as for the choice between pre-purchase and collector's edition; I'll be pre-purchasing (maybe) one AND ONLY ONE but I will be recommending that unless you're definitely going to play for the next 3-4 months; you might as well wait for the full edition later. Shame really as I have four accounts in total so that could've been four pre-purchases worth.

That recommendation again:
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Unless you're GOING to play for the next 3-4 months; it's better to wait till July


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Another unhappy EU player here.

The last real lash up (no boxed sets of AE) we were told

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Unfortunately there are currently no plans to release this in Europe as an actual box. Producing a box run is an expensive process, and there are other factors involved that will become clear in time (no, not server mergers or anything like that).
I might be thick but I'm still waiting a year after to find out why.

Yet again everyone outside of NA is of no importance.

All we need now is a piss up on codes in that the only codes available are NA ones

I will be buying two copies*, for my wife and myself, but will wait until release.


*This depending on the amount of new content if I consider it not worthwhile then I won't be buying.


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*This depending on the amount of new content if I consider it not worthwhile then I won't be buying.
Then prepare to buy it


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Originally Posted by Silver_Lobo View Post
Let's be honest here. Buissness yada yada. We know that. No one is denying they are a buissness with numero uno being MAKE MONEY.

I think honestly they should have announced FIRST what is IN GR... and then later announce payment plans.
Why? What difference does it make? You can't spend any money on it yet either way. This way people at least know what it's going to cost them and they can budget ahead of time. Add to that that this is hardly the first company that announces the price of their game/expansion before all of its content is announced, and it appears that yet again, people are ******** just for the sake of ********.

Now, me not being able to get the boxed edition, THAT is something to start a forum riot over


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Just popping in to see if we're still arguing :P

Also, CO gave us a drop off, but You'll notice their servers are mostly free of people, RPers for sure o.0 (Last I saw anyway) the game is made to be solo 1-40, and they JUST recently (I'm told) Fixed the mechanics to make teaming not anti productive :P

CO took some of us, then we went, WTH? and came back after making up an excuse :P Then some of them went to STO and are still kinda wondering if it's worth it. We'll see a drop off there too.

It's the old idea that EVERYONE stops going to the old bar when the new one opens, aside from the grizzled stubborn customers, who keep the old place going while the new place shows them shiney, then they realize the new bar, kinda sucks, and they all go back after a while.

Then a new bar opens up, and the cycle repeats o.o;

SOE has been a pariah since they pulled the "Lets make SWG into WOW, cuz WOW worked!" NGE crap. None of us forgive and forgot that. I'm going on the record and saying i'll heck out a demo, MAYBE just to see Batman, but COX is going to have my money until the end of days. That you can count on (though I'll be splitting time to see how Bioware's hat being thrown into the MMO ring will work out..)

So there's my 2 cents again!

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CO hasn't turned out to be the death knell of CoH some people were expecting it to be, leaving COH in a very good position to place itself as the 800lb gorrila of superhero MMOs before DCUO even comes out.

(Alright, alright, the 400lb gorrila...)

It won't beat the newer games on visuals (although I16 and UM mean it won't lose as much ground as it could have on that score...) but on content. The amount of content in the game, and the free updates, were one of the sticks being used to beat Cryptic with over in the CO forums, and I'm sure DCUO can expect the same. Is it fair that a brand new game should have to compete with a 6 year established title for content? No, but too bad - if they intend to compete they'll have to.

Which is why I think the amount of new content in GR is so important. I'll be buying it whatever happens (too many DP/ concepts lined up not to!) but I want to see it with enough new game content that will impress a lot of other people and make them want to buy it as well.


 

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If it doesn't, that's fine too, and I expect them to spin up what I personally find a rather lacklustre set of goodies as shiny as they can - but I still expect, by the time they are asking for my money, for them to be as clear as possible about what my money is going towards. GR might be so awesome I'd happily preorder it, but as is, I can't imagine paying for it when I have no idea what it actually contains beyond side-switching and two powersets.
So don't preorder it. And if it still doesn't interest you when it releases in July, then just plain don't buy it. No wall of marketing gripes required.


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This is what my husband just said to me not 3 minutes ago.

"So, how long is it going to take for Ultra Mode to come out? Like another month or so? And then we have to wait til July to even use it? I think something went wrong in their timeline, on releasing stuff. Port Oaks might look prettier but its the same exact missions you hate now."

I don't think he wants me to get the pre purchase, I think he wants me to just get to boxed sets in July. From what I can tell, he doesn't even plan on playing til July. So that is 4 months *I wish you would have told me that before I resubbed us for a year* down the drain.

I want to support this game financially as much as possible. It is to me the best MMO out there, Hows about some new info on what is coming in Issue 17?


 

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This is what my husband just said to me not 3 minutes ago.

"So, how long is it going to take for Ultra Mode to come out? Like another month or so? And then we have to wait til July to even use it? I think something went wrong in their timeline, on releasing stuff. Port Oaks might look prettier but its the same exact missions you hate now."

I don't think he wants me to get the pre purchase, I think he wants me to just get to boxed sets in July. From what I can tell, he doesn't even plan on playing til July. So that is 4 months *I wish you would have told me that before I resubbed us for a year* down the drain.

I want to support this game financially as much as possible. It is to me the best MMO out there, Hows about some new info on what is coming in Issue 17?
Wasn't ultra mode announced as being part of i17? I just checked it was

So i17 is new content, new emotes, UI updates, Mission Architect updates, a nebulous Doppleganger thing that was mentioned and more.

Enough to keep subbed and interested.


 

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Wasn't ultra mode announced as being part of i17? I just checked it was

So i17 is new content, new emotes, UI updates, Mission Architect updates, a nebulous Doppleganger thing that was mentioned and more.

Enough to keep subbed and interested.
Where is this info on a doppleganger system? I am pretty sure WW said there was nothing like that included.

And sadly for some people, continually adding stuff to the MA is just taking Dev time away from things that have been neglected for along time like, Bases, New IO sets, fixing PvP which the broke horrendously, CoV on a whole, etc.