Discussion: Two Ways to Get Going Rogue

The new enemy is something about "a foe who can match you blow for blow" or something. And WW confirmed that it's not some sort of doppelganger system. But there WILL be some new sort of enemy.

And the MA thing, there are different devs (Dr. Aeon) who work on AE. If he wasn't working on AE, he wouldn't be working on something else, because that's not his job. He's the AE dev. So no, dev time isn't being taken away from anything.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Just wow ... and your husband was just griping about GG sounding like a broken record? Really, find something new, this is getting annoying fast.

Okay thank you for redirecting me to this post Tired but If they are calling it the Complete Collection Item Pack it would stand to reason that it would include all the following otherwise it would be incomplete.

• Going Rouge Ingame Item Pack (listed above)
• Super Booster I: Cyborg
• Super Booster II: Magic
• Super Booster III: Superscience
• Super Booster IV: Martial Arts
• Good Versus Evil Edition In-Game Item Pack
• Wedding Pack
• Mini Booster: Temporary 30 Day Jetpack
• Mac Special Edition for the Ingame Items

That's basicly what I would expect included in a Complete Collection Item Pack, and it would stand to reason that it easily could be 15-20 dollars. Thats what I was asking specifically because thats what would determine if I would get the pre buy or wait.

Be nice for a redname to comment on this question.

AV

by Star Ranger 4 WIN LOSE OR DRAW, WE WILL FIGHT. WE ARE HEROES This is what we DO!

I see this happening. We have three teaming pools ( 1 red, 1 blue and coop) and made it so that people on the same side of the game can team with anyone that aligns themselves with that side. In the coop zones you can mix the teams.

Let me shorthand this:

Red side only :Party A
Blue side only :Party B

As the game is pre-GR we can do:

A+A= REDSIDE
B+B= BLUESIDE
A+B= COOP ZONE

Post-GR we could have this (and what I am afraid of)

Red Side
Villain= Party A
Vigilante+ Party A1

Blue Side
Hero=Party B
Rogue=Part B1

Teaming Parameters:

Blue side
A+A= REDSIDE
A+A1=REDSIDE
A+A1+B+B1= COOP ZONE

Red Side
B+B=BLUESIDE
B+B1=BLUESIDE
B+B1+A+A1= COOP ZONE

I don't see this happening:
A+A1= REDSIDE
B+B1=BLUESIDE
A+A1+B+B1= COOP ZONE
B+B1+A+A1= COOP ZONE

Since they are creating a new alignment, there will be four teaming pools and for most part the game has always had three teaming possibilities but now that there is GR we have 4 of them. If the devs wanted to they could make it so that to team with a member of the new alignment you have to have GR...didn't they do this with CoV and PD? I remember you having to have both games to play in PD with a villain.

You're completely misinterpreting what that means. We have:

Going Rogue
Going Rogue: Complete Edition
Going Rogue Item Pack

Going Rogue is an expansion.
Going Rogue: Complete Edition is a full game, plus game time, plus collector-style goodies (in and out of game).
Going Rogue Item Pack is the in-game goodies that Going Rogue does not come with but Going Rogue: Complete Edition does.

This is not rocket science.

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

But thats not what they originally said and that is why everyone has questions. Your statement makes perfect sense But thats not what they announced. This is what they announced and If they didn't mean Complete Collection Item Pack they should have worded it differently and clear.


As I'm not a Rocket Scientist I don 't apply rocket science to my comments.

Thank you for you comment.

AV

by Star Ranger 4 WIN LOSE OR DRAW, WE WILL FIGHT. WE ARE HEROES This is what we DO!

wait what? A+A1 = blueside.... yet you dont see A+A1 = bluside?......... you should edit that.

GR is gonna own! cant wait for Dual Pistols in Ultra Mode...... wanna see if there is a difference between ultra mode and normal vfx on dual pistols, unless the GR prieview video from Hero-Con wasnt the final vfx we have today.

and for all you winging that "im not going to pre-order till i know GR is worth it" umm.. brand new content and shiney doesnt sell you?...... wait till july then, nobody is bending your arm behind ur back to make you

they stated earlier. and for the last time. if you side switch you can team with that other side and you don't need GR to team with them from the perspective of the other side.
So a hero that side switched can team villians, that don't own GR. They stated that GR doesn't preclude teaming just not having GR mean you can't switch sides.

All there doing is adding script to heroes and villians saying you can team vigilante or rogue.
the reason they didn't do that with heroes and villians cause the code is written don't do this or do this when there around. but if you add a whole new name that isn't scripted anywhere you can get rid of those conflicts. Redside precludes heroes from teaming with villians but if your a vigilante then the code won't have conflicts. It is the easier work around. The hard part is writing the code that removes all instances of hero from you and posts vigilante in there instead.

Looks to me that's exactly what they said. You're just reading way, way too much into it.

Like I said, it's not rocket science. And since you're not a rocket scientist, you don't have to apply rocket science to it, just like you said you didn't do. (Wut.)

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

The shorthand makes it confusing as all get-out.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

We currently have two teaming pools, The Reds and The Blues. The Reds do not interact with the Blues and the Blues do not interact with the Reds except in 8 places: Siren's Call, Bloody Bay, Warburg, Recluse's Victory, Pocket D, Chimora, The Midnighter's Club and The Rikti War Zone. The purpose of the first 4 is to PvP, so naturaly, the Red and Blues cannot team there. However in every other place they can team (the PvE areas) the two pools become one. This trend is logical to follow with Going Rogue.

As to your final bit about Pocket D and CoV; no, you did not have to own CoV to team with a villian in PD or own CoH to team with a hero. in fact, the first V-Day event had a promotional event attached where if you got someone to buy CoV and subscribe you both got two exclusive costume pieces (the next year you could get them from the mission, but if you did the buddy code event, you have them on every character from creation). They were used a great deal by people who already owned CoH to get CoV and many were given out to team members by team members during the Pocket D V-Day event.

Which you are saying your seeing A+A1 as blueside, then you go on to say your NOT seeing it happening

Edit: i confused myself reading this after i posted, so im breaking this into 2 'parts'

and whats confusing me more is where you are refering to blueside as A+A (and A+A1) where as before you were saying
you should be consistant with your examples instead of switching halfway through leaving people (like me) confused as hell

It's a "Complete Collection" in that it included every game and expansion released. It is CoH, CoV and GR all in one box. The Boosters and Item packs are box exclusives and thus not included under that definition of "Complete."

It's rather like having a complete collection of Captain America comic books. You have every comic released under the Captain America line, but not the Avengers with him, or the "one offs" and "short runs" where he guest starred in other comics.

Just as a "fun" trivia point. If we assume that every item pack and booster has a cost of $10 (and that's not entirely accurate because the CoH DVD pack was $20), and you had the games already but wanted to go from no packs to all of them, unless I've missed one, it would now cost $100 with the Complete Collection pack:

CoH DVD Edition pack
CoV CE pack
GvE pack
Wedding Pack
Super Booster I: Cyborg
Super Booster II: Magic
Super Booster III: Superscience
Super Booster IV: Martial Arts
Mac Edition Pack
Going Rogue Complete Pack

Plus $5 per month for the "Card Jetpack." And then you'd STILL not have the two Preorder packs until you had sufficent Vet time.

Ultra mode is in I17, and will be useable at once

i think her hubby was talking about Praetoria, it was built around Ultra Mode, and having to wait till july to use it, but you are right, Ultra Mode is I17 and will definatly be improving on Rogue Isles and Paragon City

If NCSoft misses out on sales they otherwise would have had due to crappy marketing, isn't it better that they know about them and why?

i17 will have new content too, which will be something new to look at with ultra mode.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Although I'll give you credit for writing an intelligent, well thought out post and one I partly agree with, I don't see how you can compare the prices between the two. City of Villains was, as you mentioned, a standalone game, but it cost fifty bucks when it was new- and more for the collector's edition. Which means although you could play it alone, if you wanted 'both' sides of the game, you had to buy City of Heroes separately.. I forget how much it was. Thirty bucks more for City of Heroes at the time?

I don't think it compare to Going Rogue, where a new player would get the whole package for ten dollars less. I especially don't think you can compare it to a current City of Heroes player buying City of Villains; there was no option to buy it as an expansion for less. Meaning that's a 20 dollar difference.

I'll leave it up to you to determine what twenty bucks means to you, but to put it in relative terms, Going Rogue's prepurchase is 60% of what City of Villains originally went for. I don't think it's fair to call that 'similar' price structure.

The rest if your comments cover most of it, but you've left out the fact the new zones are designed 'with' Ultra Mode in mind. It's significant that they've mentioned it from the go.

We don't have to 'assume' that there'll be new end game content; we've flatly and repeatedly been promised it. It's significant enough that our former head developer is putting it as his main focus. And they've revealed other smaller details, such as the layout of the city. Each building has its own history and name; when a mission takes place in that particular building, there's a reason for it to take place there. We could assume this means that it won't be given a random map, either. They've talked about the city's layout, and how the tower at the center is visible from all parts of the town.

If you're suggesting you're not going to base a purchase off what might be coming in the future, I'd agree. I felt City of Villains never got proper development and has suffered greatly for it. But if we're going to make a full list of what we know of this expansion, it might as well be a full list.

And from what we know, I don't think the comparison to City of Villains is fair at all.

- J

I love improved graphics as much as anyone else. Well enough to force Anti Aliasing in Mass Effect 2 via nhancer(thanks for messing that up nvidia...fix your reference drivers dammit!!).

Updated graphics don't equal new content, just prettier scenery. My issue with all this pre-order talk is that at the end of the day I still have no detailed idea what I'm getting in GR. If they are giving us stuff that was supposed to be in GR in a regular update, what exactly am I slapping down money for?

Until I know that, I'm not thinking about pre-orders. At this point it's still like buying a pig in a blanket. Well not really...since I have no idea what actually buying a pig is like. I mean I buy pork, but that's probably not the same thing as buying a whole, live pig...

In any case. When they decide to actually give some information on GR that isn't hazy PR speak, then they might be entitled talk about confusing pre-order bonuses.

well i was talking about I17 first and foremost*?* but my interpritation of GR is that we will have brand new lvl 1-50 content, a few new TFs sprinkled in Praetoria aswell as Paragon/Rogue (which i hope is a Hero 'copy' of the RSF with us fighting the Praetorian Guard) but what IS known is that brand new design of starting content (as in RIGHT out of the tutorial) as well as lvl 1-20 content, and i know as much as the new person, new info on GR will probably come with the announcement of "Going Rogue: Details and Pre-Purchase" or something like that.

I for one, am going to jump on this because they had me sold at Switching sides AND new starting content.... Praetoria and Ultra Mode are a bonus XD

Edit: Anti-Aliasing, whazat? cause im not sure if its me... (quad core at 2.63 ghz and ATI Radeon hd 4350) i turn it off and things stop skipping 1-2 secs

Ya, but we have played the whole entire game about 22 times each, on both sides. That is his point. Ultra Mode is gonna be awesome... but not doing the same stuff... again.

I hope this week they tell us what is in Issue 17. So we know.

Some people misunderstood me, which is probably my own fault for conflating two ideas (there needs to be full disclosure of content before the game goes up for preorder, and the related but separate complaint that the marketing for GR has been generally awful) in one post - ah well.

I'm comparing the two because both were expansions promising new worlds, mostly appealing to people who had the game already, containing content you needed to buy the expansion to get, but not involving a new subscription fee. The Good versus Evil or Architect editions, conversely, were clearly a different beast (even with the GvE item pack).

As for pricing, CoV did launch with a box for fifty, but GR's box is launching for forty - I don't think the difference is sufficient to account for the vast difference in content (based upon marketing so far) between the two, particularly given the age of the base game. Your mileage may vary, of course. If you want to add the price of CoH and CoV together (despite CoV not needing CoH to play, but I doubt that was a significant portion of purchasers), then it starts looking like more, but that's ignoring the fact that most people getting GR, and certainly those on the forums, also have CoH already, making the value of the included game null to them.

Going Rogue's prepurchase is an entirely electronic edition without the extras the full game has; I don't think it's fair to compare that directly to the CoV box, which was not only physical media but also came with goodies (albeit less than the collector's edition).

You're ignoring that neither of those things has been promised for Going Rogue. The new endgame content Castle's working on could be GR, but it could also be for issue 17, or 18, or 20 for all we know. If anything's been promised for GR's endgame content beyond "it will have some", please link me to it.

As for what else you said, this is why I left it open that Going Rogue might have lots going for it that would make me excited about it again. But they're not telling us any of that, and until they do, it doesn't make sense to assume that there's reams of content that for some reason hasn't been announced yet. The expansion was announced last May, and most of what we know was revealed by last July. In the seven months since then, unless I'm forgetting something, there have been no major features announced. So while I'd be delighted to hear that Praetoria makes an end to randomly-generated offices, there's no proof of that. And it's not much of a boon if the Praetoria section has no more variety than an extended Mercy Island.

I've bought every item pack (and so has my girlfriend on her account), so I'm not reluctant to spend money on CoX. I am quite willing to be sold on Going Rogue. But right now, knowing what I know, and observing the extremely vague and half-***** marketing, I not only don't want to get the preorder, I'm very seriously considering waiting until GR goes down to $20 or so, or even not getting it at all if the 1-20 section is as meagre in content as I fear it will be. I think that's either a problem with content, or a problem with their marketing of said content. If the former, there's not much that can be done at this point, but if it's the latter, I hope they actually kick back into shape and make me and others want it again.

Or, at the very least, update the damn website more than once in six months. That's just embarassing.