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Considering they have sold me a few Panacea sets obtained from their farming efforts, I have no reason to think they are lying, and all the reason to think you are unlucky and believing your own lack of luck applies to everyone else. That, or trying to "prove" that PVP IO farming doesn't "work" so it doesn't get looked into.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
Speak for yourself.
I run such farms and have been doing so for the past few months (my pvp toons aren't gonna fund themselves by PVPing), and I am yet to have a night where I get 3 IOs. My last 4 days of farming have resulted in 0 IOs. Nothing. Stop believing your lying friends. |
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So the drop rate is so low to prevent farming ... but all that is really happening is those who farm get more because it is harder to get them. I don't farm PvP drops but I know a lot of people who do, I have heard it is very lucrative but also very boring.
I have also heard lots of talk that if your inspirations aren't full you are much less likely to get a PvP drop ... that bothers me because rewarding PvPing without insps seems like they may as well remove insps.
The low drop rate has just made the farmers make more money for less work, I can play 8 spawned mission at +4 level on my scrapper and still make less than a tenth of what the PvP farmers are, now I find farming the PvP drops boring but I have builds I want to finance and it is getting hard being bored playing to farm the drops gets more and more enticing...
And lets face it if the only way to build a competative toon is to do something particularly boring it seems to continue playing is self defeating.
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This is just as true as that bit about clicking the glowies on the respec trial making the last mission harder. In other words, it's a lie.
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Originally Posted by Odacer
I have also heard lots of talk that if your inspirations aren't full you are much less likely to get a PvP drop ... that bothers me because rewarding PvPing without insps seems like they may as well remove insps.
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Quick Question: How do you get past the AFK timer?
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Originally Posted by Leandro
People with two accounts farm PVP IOs for cash while AFK easily. Take a character with a self rez power; lock it on an Ouro TF mode with the no enhancements and debuff challenge sets to make it really weak. Take a Fire Controller/Dominator or MM. Park them both in Warburg (if both characters are the same faction) away from people's sight. Let the pets/henchmen kill the character with self rez, have the character have the self rez on auto. Sure, you have to wait until the self rez recharges, but the rep/drop timer is there to prevent drops even if you could rez any faster.
People leave that running overnight and make 2-3 PVP IOs a night. Not huge returns, sure, but still worth doing for the chance at a bucketload of inf. I personally know three people who do it. |
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Get them in a OUROS TF.
I like the idea of a system that goes along with the current means of obtaining pvp ios.
Currently in PvE there are plenty of options of obtaining recipies be it running oro arcs, farming, tickets, playing the market or just doing regular missions.
Something like pvp "merits" on a timer(like the rep) or DR so while you can farm the same target over and over and still get something for it the value greatly decreases.
These would be distributed over the whole team so People who choose to play support or distruption wouldnt get punished.
These units could then be traded for either recipy at a static value(high) or a random roll.
While better pvp'ers and teams could aquire these units faster, the guy that get a ks every now and then would still be able to to get them(at a slower rate)
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Sorry I don't mean to pick on you, but the inflation that is being complained about is the PvP IOs, and generally everything else is sort of 'acceptable' but mostly rising on desirable stuff.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
You guys are taking the "that's BS" out of context. The real issue was that I don't believe there is a large group of people using whatever these exploits are, at least not enough to cause inflation. That is all I have to say about that issue.
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The reason why everyone is focused on the PvP IOs is that #1 this is in the PvP thread, #2 more than one PvP IO has crossed the inf cap boundary, thus taking the sellers to find alternate ways than the market to sell their loot.
Whilst the desirability of PvP IOs are generally high, the effective market for them is exceedingly small. This is because very few people can afford them. If you want an analogy, PvP IOs are viewed like a (limited edition) Ferrari. There are many more buyers than there are cars, and not everyone can afford them, and the price seems to be bid up further each day (within limits).
The overall market has seen some inflation but the level at which certain PvP IOs has shot past the market/inf cap has taken the devs by surprise, and of course the people who thought they could afford PvP IOs before they shot up are finding that they are falling behind because an even smaller subset of the rich have found ways to make themselves richer yet.
In a sense, there are a bunch of millionaires who are pretty upset that they've reached their plateau and found a bunch of billionaires sitting at the table and bought up all the seats.
Hence this discussion isn't about overall inflation, or even all PvP IOs...just the super-desirable super-rare PvP IOs that everyone seems to want but only the ridiculously wealthy few can afford.
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I've seen the word 'lie' used more than once in a couple of threads.|
Originally Posted by macskull
This is just as true as that bit about clicking the glowies on the respec trial making the last mission harder. In other words, it's a lie.
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Just remember that saying something that is false is not always a lie. It will be untrue, but it can only be a lie when the teller knows it to be untrue. It is not lying if you believe what you are saying is true, even if the statement itself is false.
The funny thing about all this is that Posiban drives a Toyota Prius, Mod08 drives a Hyundai Accent, Tic Toc (aka BaBs) is driving a Nissan Versa, and most of you nubs that don't know what the **** is going on who are driving Smart cars are pissed that some of us have 3 Bugatti Veyron's in our garages.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
I've seen the word 'lie' used more than once in a couple of threads.
Just remember that saying something that is false is not always a lie. It will be untrue, but it can only be a lie when the teller knows it to be untrue. It is not lying if you believe what you are saying is true, even if the statement itself is false. |
Presonally, I'd like it if the introduced a set of enhancement that only worked in PVP zones. Made the about 90%-95% equivalent to PVPIO's, and inexpensively priced at the contact for the pvp zone.
Now that we have multiple builds someone wanting to PVP could slot up with these "nearly PVPIOs"... knowing that they will only work for pvp.
Then, the PVP world would be balanced not on rich and poor... but, on choice of slotting, archetype, and individual play.
PVPIO would still have some value since they could be used in or out of pvp, but not nearly so much since you could get pretty close without buying them, if you just want to pvp.
The tech to do this is probably not feasable, but I can dream.
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Originally Posted by Computer
Quick Question: How do you get past the AFK timer?
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The answer is in the second sentence.
Also lol @enrious not farming, does he even remember content?
To those who want proof of an exploit? Why would some one risk banning and deletion of their toons to prove anything to you......? Also if it's someone elses AE mish why would they risk that getting shut down and the user banned. (yaya meow banning and toon deletions never happened)
Re drop rates: I know those that avg 0-3 in 16 hours (while sleeping and at work) I know others who are a lot luckier (6-8 ). Read up on statistics and chance of. People farming with low drop rates are just at the bum end of the stick statistically.
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Exactly. Just because a statement is false, or even disputed does not make the person making such a statement a liar. Its an unnecessary personalization. |
Originally Posted by PumBumbler
I've seen the word 'lie' used more than once in a couple of threads.
Just remember that saying something that is false is not always a lie. It will be untrue, but it can only be a lie when the teller knows it to be untrue. It is not lying if you believe what you are saying is true, even if the statement itself is false. |
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
To those who want proof of an exploit? Why would some one risk banning and deletion of their toons to prove anything to you......?
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Originally Posted by brophog02
Exactly. Just because a statement is false, or even disputed does not make the person making such a statement a liar. Its an unnecessary personalization.
By the same token, if someone is knowingly doing something that would warrant such a course of action or is privy to that, why would they call attention to it to begin with? There are a lot of reasons, but none of them make any sense when threatened with potential sanction. I charge it with a mistake in user judgment, but that doesn't absolve the fact that anyone making a claim they know is outrageous should expect such a claim to be challenged and/or questioned. |
True one would expect the "no wai" challenge and i am sure they did, but i don't think any said they actually used the exploit only know of it. Though the fact that one person already deleted a post for fear of saying too much should show that there is a certain caution.
I wasn't saying you can't say "no wai", just don't ever expect to get your proof. No one would risk it just to appease ney sayers there is no logic/benefit in doing so.
General message: You don't have to believe it, but just because a large part of the player base doesn't know an exploit exhists doesn't make it BS. I have not seen any of these farms nor do I know the exploit. I do however know the people in this thread talking about it and trust that they are being honest and accurate.
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yaawn...anyone gonna buy this?
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I'll give you 50 million for it.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
yaawn...anyone gonna buy this?
[Power:Panacea: Chance for +Hit Points/Endurance.50] |
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Sold!
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
I'll give you 50 million for it.
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Originally Posted by JKwervo
Get them in a OUROS TF.
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Originally Posted by Phillygirl
The answer is in the second sentence.
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If you examine this, though, it is worth noting that basing it on a pure per-kill drop rate is punitive to better players who are more cagey about engaging. Lunatics who just collide and mash attacks and die carelessly get more drops.|
Originally Posted by Castle
I don't. 2 hours 8v8 means nothing to me. 26 kills vs. 11 kills means more, but still is not enough information to make any sort of judgment on the validity of the drop rate.
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(I assume this is probably why, in a certain other game, both battleground and arena rewards are not directly keyed to kill rates, although speed can have a minor effect. But in a battleground, beating objectives is a huge part of the reward generation, and in arenas, rewards are purely a function of playing 10 games and then your rating.)
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Originally Posted by Computer
Ah thank you. I thought that the Ouroboros tip was just to increase your kill speed. Now I know what I will be doing with my 5 accounts while I sleep.
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That is until it gets nerfed from the posts in this thread.
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Originally Posted by SmegHead
That is until it gets nerfed from the posts in this thread.
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The PvP Reward system is a joke.
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your impatience just cost you 100 million. which i would have gladly paid OVER the already offered 50 million.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Sold!
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Since when?
When did I use that as a proposition?
The rest of your post agreed with me. (lol)