Increase PVP IO Drop rate

...lol

No.
F NO!

that's the problem right there, you little PVE-ers think we all should pvp retardo-style, trying to tab through every target and kill them sequentially. i refuse to back a system that (like the current one) encourages idiotic play for the sake of appeasing those who think FARMZ0R R EBIL.

Funny thing is, I get better drops by AFK farming than through actual 8v8 PVP (which I do on a nearly nightly basis for almost as much time).

Which is simply replacing the random chance with a merit type increment. Still ties to victories (with a minor nod to an arena defeat), and the same issues the current system has.

HOw do you afk farm? You die and then what....?

do you have downs syndrome?

You should switch it up and use a different disability - just to keep the Forum PvP fresh and exciting

no.

that requires effort.

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Yes, but (and reading my post it wasn't presented well) in the arena, I was suggesting that whoever wins the match gets three tokens. Not by kills. That's my bad for not being more clear. Then, yes it's still based on kills somewhat, but in a match of people with similar skill the winner comes out better, even if the match had low kill counts. The open zone thing is a nod to those that like that style.

You still need to have some kind of anti-farming measure, because folks can choose their opponents in Arena matches. If there was some kind of auto-match system where you just queued up for a match and took whoever the game gave you, you might not need such a system.

In the arena, the chance to roll should be static and it should occur at the end of a match. If the drop rate is 1:60, it should be upped to say 1:20, and then rolls should occur against each of the characters on the winning team.

making this apply in matches 6v6 or larger + 10 mins or longer might make it harder to farm unless you're gagora.

Perhaps make the chance for roll higher the more people and longer the match? Encourage team matches. Only concern I would have is that there needs to be a better matching system so people not in leagues can just get fights.

Everquest 2, the other game I played, just added their Battlegrounds and I can just queue up for a match and when there's enough folks to start I get ported in to fight. Allows groups and raids to queue up together and is cross server.

I wish we had something like that to go along with the new objective based PvP games.

Match based 'merits' that cash in for a random roll (heck why not have the same 20 for a roll and 250 to choose) is something to thing about certainly. I did think you were specifically referring to kills in the arena.

Then eventually (deadpan with a straight face) when base raids return, (nope couldn't keep it) you could have a similar system for 'winning' a base raid.

my concern is that the only time that targets are called randomly, or sequentially is when the skill gap between two teams is huuuuge. which in turn means that you either have to abuse noubs to get the best chances at a drop, or play like a total idiot (not repeatedly killing the real threats or farmable targets).

the current rep system encourages real stupidity.

They can't. They don't know how to PvP nor do they care to actually understand how PvP works.

"I'm going to test out the new I13 PvP in the arena with a team build ice/kin controller in a duel!"

Yeah that worked out so great.


Agreed.



Let's say for sake of argument if the players went to the trouble of doing YOUR job of gathering the data for the Kill to Drop rate ratio, it would still be meaningless. Skill is not a factor that is taken into account in the drop rate.

If 2 teams go at it repeatedly for 10 minutes in the arena, but one team keeps completely hammering 2 toons on the opposing team, the chance for a drop is low. However, in order to Win the arena match, it would be in one team's best interest to attack the weakest link on the opposing team. So it pretty much boils down to A) Keep farming the same target over and over so you win but at the same time you pretty much kill your chance at getting a PvP drop because you're farming one person or B) Attempting to spike other characters but you run the risk of not winning if the other players you are spiking aren't as easy to kill (tankers/brutes/scrappers for example)


Ya don't say?


I'll purposely take what you said out of context to make a point.

Ya'll took WAY too many risks/changes with the I13 PvP changes and basically ****** everything up. PvP was not made any more fun or easier. Nor was the bar for entry lowered. In fact it was raised and made harder.

Bitter ice blast does PATHETIC damage in PvP. Hell Ice Blast (also Ice Assault for Dominators) in general is just plain bad. Yet attacks such as Fossilize and Laser Beam eyes do far more damage than powers in a primary powerset.

Do I also need to mention entire powersets (or certain powers in powersets) were basically made useless thanks to PvP 2.0?



No sir, despite what you and the dev team may think. You did not fix ANYTHING with PvP 2.0, you just made it infinitely worse and have done close to NOTHING to make it easier for newer players to understand the mechanics of the new system.

If you're going to try and give the illusion that you're making educated well thought out decisions/changes to PvP, then take your own advice and make changes that make sense.



Lastly, if any sort of "rep" or "experience" or "token" system is going to be implemented for rewarding players something for kills in PvP, perhaps you should try copying the idea Sony used in their MMOFPS Planetside.

The amount of XP that was awarded to a player when they killed another player in PvP was based on several factors.

The amount of time the person who was killed was alive.
How many players they had killed before they themself were killed.

There was also a bonus awarded for killing multiple players at once. If you had managed to destroy a vehicle that had 5 players in it, you got a pretty hefty bonus. Obviously something like that wouldn't really work unless, we put some sort of timer on it but then we run into the problem of it being brokenly exploitable.

Another issue that might arise would be, what about support type classes that really don't "kill" stuff. How do they get awarded?

Based on amount of healing/buffing/debuffing a player would do, they would be awarded a certain amount of "Support XP". This wasn't nearly as much as killing someone, but it was still an amount that was worth getting in the end.

i find it retarded that the devs insist on making us PVE for the sake of PVP performance.

Yeah, i heard a lot about this. I don't think we will ever have anything like it in CoH, but we can dream right?

We are up to two now I think (Which doesn't exactly make it better considering its been over a month) Heroes managed the PbAoE one in a practice and I got a glad strike acc/dmg in another.
So yeah, 1 drop every two weeks in team settings as small as six, but as large as 16 (Internals) playing 4 - 5 days a week between practice and officials seems stupidly low.

sorry, the technical team is busy figuring out how to animate tails, and because of this, they can't figure out how to scale drops rates with team size.

Tails have already been banned from Arena official PvP matches.

The were added to the list of:

-RP binds said in local/broadcast
-Resets due to wrong costume
-Having MM pets do emotes