Discussion - Ultra Mode, Issue 17: Dark Mirror and Going Rogue!

“Epic Archetypes now available at level 20”


I don’t like the sound of that. If this means that Epic ATs unlock when a player gets a character to 20, then I have to think that 20 is much too low. Level 40 might be okay, or 30 plus a new Task Force, but 20? I’m not sure I want to team with a Kheldian whose player has never been to Talos Island.

I'm one of those people in the in-between spot. I already have a few level 50 heroes, and one of my main characters these days is a Warshade, level 30 so far. On the other hand, I've never gotten a villain to 50.

So I could look at it one way and complain that my amazing accomplishment of achieving a level 50 hero has been devalued, thus slapping my face. Or I could look at it the other way and be glad that I can finally try out the VEATs without needing to level a villain to 50.

Personally, I think it's good that more people can do more stuff to have more fun.

I seem to recall one of the devs commenting the only reason VEATs were unlocked by getting a redside 50 was for parity with HEATs. I get the impression they've been wanting to change it for a while now.

Assuming I'm remembering correctly, of course.

So is there any word of a Collectors Edition or is the Complete Set the actual Collectors Edition? Just wondering if they are gonna add that after I already pre-order the complete set.

If I remember correctly BaBs posted numbers months ago that showed that the epic classes were the least played (khelds and VEATS) amoung all the other sets.

By unlocking Khelds at lvl 20 might be a good way to get more players to play them and give the numbers the devs are looking for to make changes down the road with them.

I personally have no issue with this. I don't think the struggles of yesteryear should impact the players of tomorrow. if it makes it easier for them then so be it.

Kheldians just aren't very good is the reason you don't see them. Unlocking them at 20 probably won't do much to get them played more. I do worry about SUCK kheldians running around as even having a level 50 didn't mean you'd know how to play an EAT well. Especially if you were an MA baby. I really don't care about what level they open at, they. VEATs, though, are major awesomesauce. It'd be hard to be a crummy veat, unless you were like...skipping Maneuvers. Don't do that. VEAT groups were wrecking machines because everybody was stacking leadership and realizing stacked up leadership is brokenly good back when they were new, heh.

I wonder if Praetoria will install Incarnates as a new epic AT to unlock to 50s. Dual Pistols/Willpower, yes? Yeeeeeeah!

Just a thought, with GR you could (can) unlock all EAT's with a single character.

Level 1 to 20 in any of the 3 starting sides and then swap through to the opposite side.

ok, my question is, when and how can i pre-order my GR, normal or complete edition?

Hey All,

I just wanted to stop in and address some of the common questions we’ve been seeing in this and other threads. We know you guys are anxious for more info and clarification. Don’t worry, it’s coming! Let me share with you what we can right now:

1. What’s up with the pretail? How can we get all the goodies? What comes with what and what are our options?

We’re glad you folks are so excited about Going Rogue, and can’t wait to get more info on obtaining it. We'll be providing more details on this in much greater detail very soon – we promise.


2. Are Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning going to be free to everyone once Going Rogue launches, or are they exclusive to those who purchase Going Rogue?

Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning are part of the Going Rogue expansion, and as such they will only be available to those people who order Going Rogue.

3. Why in Issue 17 are the Epic Archetypes unlocks being lowered to level 20? Will there be a new Epic Archetype available at level 50?

For this question we consulted our veteran producer Ghost Falcon, who had this to say:

Ever since Hero Epic Archetypes and Villain Epic Archetypes were introduced, we have continued to monitor the number of Epic Archetypes created. We discovered that there are many long-time Veteran players who do not have Level 50s, and were unable to unlock all the Epic Archetypes.

Paragon Studios spent a lot of effort and time creating those Archetypes, and we feel that this change lowers the barriers and will give Epic AT access to a larger percentage of our player base. With the upcoming Going Rogue expansion, we felt that this change will allow players to create an Epic AT character, and give them a head-start if they wanted to “cross the line” and bring their character(s) to the opposite side.

Paragon Studios continues to evaluate and examine the state of the game, and will always strive to offer our player base more options while still preserving a sense of achievement.

There are no new Epic archetypes planned for “50”. As previously mentioned, Paragon Studios is introducing an “End-Game” system, where players can continue to evolve their character(s).

So I hope this answers the majority of the immediate questions you folks have regarding the recent announcements about I17 and Going Rogue. There’s a lot more information coming, and we’ll bring it to you as soon as we can.

Thanks,

I didnt really expect that DP and Demon Summoning would be strictly for GR, but I gues if that is how it needs to be. Not like im not going to get the Expansion lol.

Thank you very much for the information Ocho. Clarifications are always a great thing to have

I like the word evolve. I cant wait to make my 50's stronger.

Okay, Ocho. Riddle me this:
Where's the blasted preorder button already? and
If I'm reading this right, EATs of both factions will be able to cross over? Meaning heroic Spiders and evil Squids?