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I assume you're being sarcastic, but honestly if someone did use a power on me that forced me to level at a highly accelerated rate, I would be very unhappy. I'm not looking to rush through the game and don't want to skip content.
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I cant believe this! some rude rude RUDE person kept following me around yesterday and I kept getting hit with this double xp ray. It made my level skyrocket to 50 in just 12 minutes, no matter what I killed, It just leveled me, I still cant believe how rude and thoughtless someone could be to use that power on me.
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I guess I should have responded to this issue but I didn't think it would have been a concern here because it wasn't the topic of the thread.
All of my "gimped" buff characters are dedicated soloists, and I don't make any secret that I can't help with buffs. For example . . .
My Kin, Bubbler, & Sonic all have similar comments.
Despite my warnings in search and when I flat out tell them I can't heal, bubble, buff there are people that still choose to ignore me and beg me to join their teams.
At that point after making sure they were warned I'll relent and accept their team invite knowing full well what's coming. Soon the heal me's, buff me's, start coming in and I just laugh because they ain't getting what I ain't got.
Does this make me a jerk? Probably, but I don't care. I hate build nazi's and people that refuse to take no for an answer. They came to me and they ignored what I told them. Maybe next time they'll pay attention.
Some have even threatened to petition me for not taking those powers. I wish them the best of luck with that because my chat logs show I told them I didn't have those powers.
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Some have even threatened to petition me for not taking those powers. I wish them the best of luck with that because my chat logs show I told them I didn't have those powers.
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That's why I stopped putting those guys on ignore. The crap they spew when they get indignant is just too damn funny.
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This made me laugh.
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I think you might be a decade off on your timeline, SG.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Ok, in order:
I started out in 1995 with a Celeron 1.8 GHz with 1 GB ram and a GeForce 2 graphics card. I ran with lower settings but it was still playable. The only thing at the minimum specs for the game was the graphics card. However Speed Boost would either cause a slide show or crash my system, just like being on a Hami Raid (Issue 6). I think in both cases that I got down to .5 FPS before the crash. In 1996, I got a GeForce 6600. I didn't raise my graphics settings a lot, but kept particles to nil as well as some other settings. I could actually participate in Hami Raids without crashing often. If I reduced some graphics settings the Hami Raids wouldn't crash me, but Speed Boost did (and reduced my FPS at LEAST 10 FPS, if not more). At the end of 1997, I got an AMD 64 Dual Core 2.6 system with 2 GB ram and an onboard nVidia chipset. Zoning to Ouroboros had a 50-50 chance of crashing me to the desktop. Speed boost would lower my FPS, but didn't crash me as often. At the end of 1998, I got a nVidia 8600 GTX card and a new power supply to run it. I can zone freely to Ouroboros, my machine can keep up with speed boost, but I still don't like it. |
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Well, I jumped back into this dog-pile so I'll randomly start here.
Yeah. I am an Eagle Scout.  I'm assuming "Grandma" wasn't under attack by Malta while she was standing at the street corner.  ...back to the subject at hand... If I buff someone and I get a tell from them that says something to the effect that they didn't want/need to be buffed, I would apologize for helping them. If they continued with or included some kind of insult, I'd put them on ignore. That would not stop me from helping the next character that I saw in trouble. ...in the end... It really sound like you need to take your own advice from the end of your own post! What you posted at the beginning is unrealistic. Not being in combat, I would have plenty of time to ask if she needed help. If for some crazed reason, I did force her to cross the street against her will - which I wouldn't - I would apologize to her....just like I would another player that I was trying to help out.  [NOTE: Last night the character -- that was going red while fighting on the street that I ice-shielded, buffed, and gave 4 respites to -- did not complain. ] |
I think you missed my point entirely....
What I was saying is it seems folks are getting indignant when the "help" they're trying to provide isn't well received at times. In fact, some of you seem to be getting as upset as the OP over the matter.
'Because I've helped you "Damn it" and "YOU SHOULD LIKE IT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANTED IT!" so there!'
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Take it what you will and have a.... whatever kind of day you prefer to have...
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No I think you don't. My point was Forbin said he was putting together a build with EMP and planning to only take Healing Aura. There have been multiple threads on these forums an player's guides, Planners, etc showing that of all the powers Empathy has that is the least effective especially at higher levels. Heal Other does more tham twice the amount of actual healing and I have used it numerous times to keep a Stone Tanker alive and battling against an AV. Recovery and Regen Auras not only help the team they also help the player himself .. something almost no other buffing set does. MY POINT was why take EMP at all if you aren't planning to use it? Hey he has some PvP build in mind where he never plans to use that character for anything else FINE. He should still take the Regen and Recovery Auras to aid himself in healing and recovering end faster. Whatever else he want's to do is his business but there have also been threads here claiing that Empathy sucks mainly because there are way too many players out there with it that don't have a clue what they are doing.
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I have Empaths (and Thermals, and more) that you'll see playing with no shields, only powers that affect me, etc - and then a day later, on a team, with less offense traded for more support powers.
Instead of all the above ("Why take emp if you're not planning on using it?" Well, I am,) instead of telling someone their build is "wrong," try this instead:
"Solo build? You might want to look into a dual build, just so you have a little more support for the team. Yeah, you give up some offense/concept/etc, but the rest of the team can cover the gaps. Then when you're done teaming, just switch back over - you can do it at any trainer."
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Despite my warnings in search and when I flat out tell them I can't heal, bubble, buff there are people that still choose to ignore me and beg me to join their teams. At that point after making sure they were warned I'll relent and accept their team invite knowing full well what's coming. Soon the heal me's, buff me's, start coming in and I just laugh because they ain't getting what I ain't got. Does this make me a jerk? Probably, but I don't care. I hate build nazi's and people that refuse to take no for an answer. They came to me and they ignored what I told them. Maybe next time they'll pay attention. |
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That's why I stopped putting those guys on ignore. The crap they spew when they get indignant is just too damn funny.
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I've yet to see any on the Rude Tells thread, Drunk Squirrel.
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The other reason was to prove, even if it's only to myself, that those characters can kick a$$ even if their "gimped".
I also haven't been on those particular characters in a few months. I've been beta testing STO.
Edit: Sides, M_B is right, it's not my place to teach them a lesson so I really should start working on making dual builds for them. It's easy to justify your actions to yourself, but when shown in the light of public opinion they look like excuses for acting petty.
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Um, yep, you're right. I just wish I had the listed systems in the late 90's.
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When you ask the tank why he doesn't have Tant his reply is " Oh this is a concept build and Taunt just doesn't fut my idea for my character." ... I was on that team against Malta and the team leaders reply was .. "Yeah well a Tank that can't tank isn't part on MY concept either." and then he kicked the guy.
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And if you think a tank without Taunt isn't able to tank.... Well, I can't say anything nice about that so I won't anything at all.
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Some have even threatened to petition me for not taking those powers. I wish them the best of luck with that because my chat logs show I told them I didn't have those powers.
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If you could set a flag to preclude non-team buffs, I would see that as a positive addition to the game. Personally, I wouldn't set it since whether I mind having someone buff me depends entirely on my mood, and when I don't appreciate it, I simply walk away leaving the fight unfinished. When I do appreciate it I try to check my combat log quickly enough to find out who buffed me and send them a polite thank you.
Now, what I find odd is when someone buffs me, sees me turn and walk away from the fight, and follows to buff me again in the next fight. THAT person I find annoying.
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I guess I should have responded to this issue but I didn't think it would have been a concern here because it wasn't the topic of the thread.
All of my "gimped" buff characters are dedicated soloists, and I don't make any secret that I can't help with buffs. For example . . . My Kin, Bubbler, & Sonic all have similar comments. Despite my warnings in search and when I flat out tell them I can't heal, bubble, buff there are people that still choose to ignore me and beg me to join their teams. At that point after making sure they were warned I'll relent and accept their team invite knowing full well what's coming. Soon the heal me's, buff me's, start coming in and I just laugh because they ain't getting what I ain't got. Does this make me a jerk? Probably, but I don't care. I hate build nazi's and people that refuse to take no for an answer. They came to me and they ignored what I told them. Maybe next time they'll pay attention. Some have even threatened to petition me for not taking those powers. I wish them the best of luck with that because my chat logs show I told them I didn't have those powers. |
OHhh Forbid hehehehe Send a tell back when they do that and ask if they enjoy grade school. No one can petition you because they don't like your build I love that one! Hey do what I do... I'm just flat out honest with them. "No thanks I am waiting on several friends I plan to team with." "No sorry I only have about 20 minutes left before I log and this solo mission I am on will take at least 10 of that." Etc Etc. I have had people send another tell back thanking me for at least responding.. there does seem to be a trend these days to just ignore everything around you in game. I Loved the PIC by the way.. I actually had no guy send a tell asking me to join his team. When I told him I was not interested that I was in my SG designing and building a new room he came back YELLING at me because my search message said I was LFT. I tired explaining that YES it did but if the little RED circle is on it means I am NOT interested. He wanted me, insisted I HAD to, change my message everytime I was or wasn't Looking for a team.. Yeah which would make me the ONLY one out of hundreds on line daily doing that. People don't take the time to READ anything in game it seems.
Like I told you in the PMs we exchanged it's your build and if you plan to do nothing but solo Build it anyway you like.... (Whispers.. Still think you should consider the Regen and Recovery auras they will help you even soloing and they do autohit BUT do what you like).
Oh Memphis Bill had a good suggestion too DUAL BUILDS I have those on a number of characters but that can get expensive depending on how much Influence you have and REALLY expensive if you are trying to IO both. If you can.. at least when someone INSIST that you "must" join my team you can switch to a build they will be happy with.. Or ignore them completely hey I had one team leader kick a Defender when he discovered he had Trick Arrow... "U Rn't a H3ALOR!" No he wasn't you goof ball but he did have some darn good holds, etc and I am an ILL/EMP you already HAS A H3ALOR.. well he had one anyway I quit the team over that before a single mission ran. LOL Ten minutes later I was on another WITH the same TA Defender and along with the Rad/Rad Defender and other umimportant types that do damage (kidding folks I play Tanks, Scappers and Blasters too) we tore through missions.. probably while Mr. I NEDZ A H3ALOR" was still trying to build his idea of a perfect team. Thanks so much for the very nice PM and enjoy the game :-D
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I love to take my 50 emp/Psy through atlas all the time and heal the levels 1-6 or so that are having a hard time with some foes and are low on health. also i like to throw RAs at random groups of lower levels at trainer , doors or at sewers just as a little Hiya to um. AB is something i also give and clearmind if i see someone dazed or something so sorry if ive ever buffed ya and ya didnt want it lol
I can see both sides of the argument... as there have been times I have been SBed when I really haven't wanted it. The thing is, I just continue playing. I guess in my life of professional deadlines, utility bills, rent, mortgage, grocery shopping, dodging through traffic, waiting IN traffic, screaming kids, etc... having somebody Speed Boost me in a GAME isn't traumatic for me. *shrug*
I'm not underplaying anybody's frustrations, for the record. I know each person has different tolerance levels... none are better/worse than the others. I'm just saying, if I started getting my blood pressure up because somebody thought they were being kind to me, then I think I need to re-evaluate if this is the game for me. There are plenty of ways to entertain myself with solo-only games.
That being said, it would be VERY nice if the developers would come up with a way to either a) right-click a buff and remove it or 2) set it up so that there's a prompt (much like teleportation.
But that's a proverbial dead horse that has had many a baseball bat broken over it. 
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Like I told you in the PMs we exchanged it's your build and if you plan to do nothing but solo Build it anyway you like.... (Whispers.. Still think you should consider the Regen and Recovery auras they will help you even soloing and they do autohit BUT do what you like).
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I appreciate what we discussed via PM,
It's just that when I returned to the thread and saw Snow_Globe defending (which I also appreciate) my build choices, I wanted to make it clear that in hindsight my motives weren't entirely pure when I made those characters. There was some pettyness and perhaps some passive/aggressive motives.I know the points you were making about my build choices were valid and constructive intended to help me out.
I can't say how soon I'll get back to those characters but when I do there will probably be some changes made based on an individual basis.
For example I don't forsee changing my Rad/Rad because his concept is that his radiation is harmful so he'll focus on debuffing rather than buffing.
However I'll probably put a team friendly second build together for my earth/emp.
I am one of the people who will buff people as i walk by them, especially in Atlas park (i buff low levels who are fighting) and mercy. Speed boost is great! I love having it put on me even if i dont know who it is.
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This was an interesting thread... I've actually seen it once before from a different op in the 5yrs I've played, but it ended up in flames that time as well.
I have a few points that I feel the need to bring to the table:
1. Buffs don't last very long, 30s to a couple of minutes. Is it really that terrible?
2. So you need to learn how to master your toon? Mastery includes being able to handle supercharged performance as well, and if you somehow manage to get to 50 without learning to play your toon, the problem is with you, not the occasional random street buff.
3. Yes, market buffing is plain stupid. Sort of like nuke or self destruct just to annoy people.
4. If I wanted every buffer on the server to buff me every time they see me, I'd start a thread called "Drive-by buffers are idiots and I hate them all!"
5. Play nice, or Sexy Jay will send you too back into the basement.
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2. So you need to learn how to master your toon? Mastery includes being able to handle supercharged performance as well, and if you somehow manage to get to 50 without learning to play your toon, the problem is with you, not the occasional random street buff.
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We all quickly learn how to keep a safe distance from mobs to avoid drawing fire as we navigate city zones. Even low level characters can move around PI if they are careful.
The problem with unasked for SB's is that the sudden burst of speed can easily send anyone careening into an unwanted firefight before they can stop simply because the buff was unexpected.
That's when people start getting angry. There they were on their way to put that wing recipe they just crafted at the tailor in Steel Canyon or Independence Port. They are almost there when someone nails them with an SB and they suddenly find themselves rocketing into a mob that gets them ganked. Now they have to start over at the hospital at the other end of the friggin zone.
I don't have the problem you seem to have with others. I've seen plenty of off-beat builds in my time from other players: level 50 tanks without taunt, Empathy defenders with the medicine pool (still scratching my head over that one), andlevel 50s without any travel powers. I don't care what oddball builds people play with. If the player plays well even with a "bad build", then I don't care what their build is. If they play like an idiot, then I finish the mission and never team with them again.
So which accounts should I add a note on?
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