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I have a macro on all my characters that sends "please don't do that" to local. I use it whenever someone buffs me at random.
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Originally Posted by dj13
You are the first person I've ever heard complain..
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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i know, right? He's like the eternal straight man for my wacky antics. Or will be once i get some.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Aahhh, AnimeWarrior252! The forums were a quieter place without you...
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Let me see if I can fully wrap my head around the complete and sheer idiocy of the statement you just uttered...|
Originally Posted by Smurch
You don't learn to ride a bike without falling off once in a while. I'm much happier than that rather than having someone run up and slap the training wheels on for me.
However, 99% of the drive-by buffs I get are NOT when I am struggling against a foe on the street. They're usually when 1.) I'm standing at the Black Market 2.) I'm in Pocket D (WTF?) 3.) I'm just getting ready to START a fight on the street (and now have to wait for the stupid buff to wear off so I can start) It's #3 that bothers me most, the others are just plain stupid. |
Somebody buffs you... and you wait for that buff to wear off... before fighting a mob?
Are you SURE City of Heroes is the game for you? I think you need to go play a game by Blizzard instead.
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Ah, yeah i can see that. Well, FWIW i already stated that i generally limit my buffing to those that appear to have a need for it, and generally do it for much lower level characters. Even then it's more likely to be a fortune i toss on them since most of my support characters tend to be debuff or toggle buff based. |
Originally Posted by Smurch
I have a macro on all my characters that sends "please don't do that" to local. I use it whenever someone buffs me at random.
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Sometimes i just drop useful seeming inspirations on a character as i go by. That way they can use them or delete them as they see fit.
When a level 3 Tanker looks like he's new to the game and close to being beat up by a bunch of Hellions or the like i am likely to toss Infrigidate on the toughest mob or hit them all with Shiver. So some times i'm also guilty of drive-by debuffing. Generally only debuffs that do no damage.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Let me see if I can fully wrap my head around the complete and sheer idiocy of the statement you just uttered...
Somebody buffs you... and you wait for that buff to wear off... before fighting a mob? Are you SURE City of Heroes is the game for you? I think you need to go play a game by Blizzard instead. |
If I don't want "EASY MODE", but prefer to decide on my own level of challenge (and enjoy being challenged) and can successfully kill mobs WITHOUT your oh so magnificiently essential buffs that NO ONE can live without, all on my own, I should go to WoW.
Are you saying CoX is too easy for me and WoW would be more challenging?
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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Howabout you go into an instanced mission to avoid those buffs? You're in a world with other actual players who don't know how to read minds, and are merely trying to be helpful to you. If you don't want to be bothered by other people, go into an instanced mission, solo. That's what I prefer about this game over the other MMOs I've tried.|
Originally Posted by Smurch
Let me see if I can fully wrap my head around the complete and sheer idiocy of the statement you just uttered...
If I don't want "EASY MODE", but prefer to decide on my own level of challenge (and enjoy being challenged) and can successfully kill mobs WITHOUT your oh so magnificiently essential buffs that NO ONE can live without, all on my own, I should go to WoW. Are you saying CoX is too easy for me and WoW would be more challenging? |
IMHO, you street sweep, you're subject to KS'ers, drive-by-buffers and anything else. Just my two cents.
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I remember from my early days playing CoH and mistakenly attacking a mob that was deep in the red to me. Just as I was about to collapse, somebody hit me with some amazing buff and helped me to take out the guy I was fighting. I was so amazed at the comic book feel of being yanked back from the brink of death. That was only the first of many scenarios like this I've seen in my 4.5 years and that first rush of grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat hooked me very solidly on CoH from the very beginning.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Ah, yeah i can see that. Well, FWIW i already stated that i generally limit my buffing to those that appear to have a need for it, and generally do it for much lower level characters. Even then it's more likely to be a fortune i toss on them since most of my support characters tend to be debuff or toggle buff based.
Sometimes i just drop useful seeming inspirations on a character as i go by. That way they can use them or delete them as they see fit. When a level 3 Tanker looks like he's new to the game and close to being beat up by a bunch of Hellions or the like i am likely to toss Infrigidate on the toughest mob or hit them all with Shiver. So some times i'm also guilty of drive-by debuffing. Generally only debuffs that do no damage. |
It all depends on your outlook. You (generic "you" here, to be clear) can be cheerful and thanking the random drive-by for their help, or you can be grumpy and upset at these "damn kids on your lawn". It's up to the individual, I guess. Guess which one has more fun?
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It's called "random kindness," or more simply "being nice." Not "ZOMG, you can't live without this obviously you require assistance!" |
Originally Posted by Smurch
If I don't want "EASY MODE", but prefer to decide on my own level of challenge (and enjoy being challenged) and can successfully kill mobs WITHOUT your oh so magnificiently essential buffs that NO ONE can live without, all on my own, I should go to WoW.
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Sorry that doing something that *helps* most people makes your day oh so horrid. Perhaps je_saist wasn't referring to WoW, but to the many single-player games Blizzard has also made. Never have to worry about it there. Or in your own newspaper/AE missions.
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I remember from my early days playing CoH and mistakenly attacking a mob that was deep in the red to me. Just as I was about to collapse, somebody hit me with some amazing buff and helped me to take out the guy I was fighting. I was so amazed at the comic book feel of being yanked back from the brink of death. That was only the first of many scenarios like this I've seen in my 4.5 years and that first rush of grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat hooked me very solidly on CoH from the very beginning. It all depends on your outlook. You (generic "you" here, to be clear) can be cheerful and thanking the random drive-by for their help, or you can be grumpy and upset at these "damn kids on your lawn". It's up to the individual, I guess. Guess which one has more fun? |
Actually, the Fortune prompt bugs me. I'm preoccupied with fighting and suddenly a dialog box appears in front of me. It's like the old SG Invite prompts from the past before I sidestepped the issue by forming my own SGs.
Teams are the number one killer of soloists.
I'm always a bit trepidatious when I begin a free-buffs session on lowbies in Atlas, after having read a couple of posts (over the years) by people who seem to dislike it.
Yet, in-game, I've never once been asked to cease & desist, and almost always receive sincere gratitude.
That said, I do try to be choosy about who and where I'm doing the buffing. Lowbies running to the sewer are my favorite targets, street-sweepers around the sewer entrance also seem to really appreciate a little SB.
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Originally Posted by CharybdisClan
Howabout you go into an instanced mission to avoid those buffs?
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| You're in a world with other actual players who don't know how to read minds, and are merely trying to be helpful to you. |
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| IMHO, you street sweep, you're subject to KS'ers, drive-by-buffers and anything else. Just my two cents. |
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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If I'm standing around drinking a cup of coffee and someone drops some change into my cup, they are calling me a bum (and ruining my coffee) even if they're trying to be nice.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
It's called "random kindness," or more simply "being nice." Not "ZOMG, you can't live without this obviously you require assistance!"
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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No, no, especially not in a game centered around heroes - nope, nobody should ever just selflessly help anybody else, we should all run around with our heads down, in our own little worlds, ignoring everyone else out there. We should extend this to NPCs - 90% of the purse snatchings/muggings/etc should have the victim run up and swear at you for "interfering," for daring to help them, and cost you INF because you're such a jerk for trying to help. |
Originally Posted by Smurch
Because they don't know how to read minds, they shouldn't assume I either want or need their "help".
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I can see the ad campaign now. "City of heroes - Don't try to help me, jackass."
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Blue side that might make some kind of in game sense at least. I only play Red Side however.|
Originally Posted by NekoNeko
I remember from my early days playing CoH and mistakenly attacking a mob that was deep in the red to me. Just as I was about to collapse, somebody hit me with some amazing buff and helped me to take out the guy I was fighting. I was so amazed at the comic book feel of being yanked back from the brink of death.
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And as a PLAYER, I'd much rather be allowed to fail (and learn to play better) than have someone adjust my play experience at their whim.
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| It all depends on your outlook. You (generic "you" here, to be clear) can be cheerful and thanking the random drive-by for their help, or you can be grumpy and upset at these "damn kids on your lawn". It's up to the individual, I guess. Guess which one has more fun? |
..and some drive by buffer comes by and removes the chance of losing from the scenario for me. Thanks for that.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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I only play on Villain side. How about that?
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
No, no, especially not in a game centered around heroes -
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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If you get up to the counter to pay for your coffee and the clerk says, it's alright, sir, that other woman/man/child/alien paid for your coffee, do you instantly get all swolled up and shout, "Hey, I'm not a bum! I can pay for my own damned coffee!" and insist on paying for your coffee anyways?|
Originally Posted by Smurch
If I'm standing around drinking a cup of coffee and someone drops some change into my cup, they are calling me a bum (and ruining my coffee) even if they're trying to be nice.
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I would prefer that people keep performing random acts of kindness, instead of stopping because they're getting yelled at. It makes the world a much better place. We need more inter-connectedness, and less feeling alone and having to single-handedly take on the world. Just as an experiment, maybe you can try not thinking of them as trying to insult you or put you down and rather as just helping from the goodness of their heart. If you change your worldview, maybe the world won't seem like such a foreboding place.
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Then why are you complaining about someone doing something out of their own self interest?
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Originally Posted by Smurch
I only play on Villain side. How about that?
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Originally Posted by NekoNeko
If you get up to the counter to pay for your coffee and the clerk says, it's alright, sir, that other woman/man/child/alien paid for your coffee, do you instantly get all swolled up and shout, "Hey, I'm not a bum! I can pay for my own damned coffee!" and insist on paying for your coffee anyways?
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I've performed drive by debuffing on occasion. Obviously only with buffs that deal no damage. The other fun one is on my tank on a couple of occasions when I've sene someone struggling I leap in and use my taunt aura to take all the aggro and then stand there while they beat them up.
you sound like a kid whose puppy has been kicked, maybe you should lay off the cool aid?
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Coverting that back to the in-game equivalent: If I walked up to an NPC to get a mission and they said "Hey CHARACTER, OtherGuy already did this mission for you! Here's the XP and Inf. You don't have to actually do the mission", yeah I'd be pretty P-O'd about that.|
Originally Posted by NekoNeko
If you get up to the counter to pay for your coffee and the clerk says, it's alright, sir, that other woman/man/child/alien paid for your coffee, do you instantly get all swolled up and shout, "Hey, I'm not a bum! I can pay for my own damned coffee!" and insist on paying for your coffee anyways?
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But sometimes I just want to do it myself. Is that so bad?
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I understand that they're trying to help. It's not that I misunderstand their intentions, they're misunderstanding MINE, that while I realize they're trying to help, they are actually being a nuisance because I play games to be challenged. If you remove all the challenge for me, my victory is empty and the game ceases to be fun.
Which is why when they do it, the message they get from me is a polite "Please don't do that. Thanks.". Most people seem ok with that.
If you want to play WITH me rather than try to play FOR me, then lets team up and look for BIGGER challenges that we can do together. That'd be great! I'm totally up for that. But don't just jump into my fight, adjust it to your satisfaction, then leave. It's a nuisance and will elicit a heavy sigh from me and a polite request not to do that any more.
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This is over the top mental slavery.
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Don't ranty forum posters even know, or care, that MOST people *APPRECIATE* buffs?|
Originally Posted by AnimeWarrior252
Don't they even know, or care, the least little bit, that by doing Drive-By-Buffing, without asking first, is gonna make them a ton of enemies! *End Rant*
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P.S. I do drive-by buffs myself. And I plan to continue. I have been thanked many times and NOT ONCE has a buff recipient complained. Having said that, I admit I apply some thought to buffing. I know Speed Boost can cause people problems so I'm careful with that. On the other hand, I'll pass out buffs like Fortitude, Adrenaline Boost, Accelerate Metabolism and force fields indiscriminately.
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I like drive-by applications of Enforced Morale, especially in a PvP zone, because more often than not it makes people freak out and wonder what's attacking them.
I will say this thread has definitely filled my entertainment quota for the day - someone complains about people doing something that can only help them (ok I can maybe understand not wanting SB if you have motor control issues, or Therm/Cold shields if your computer is steam-powered, but that's what the "performance" graphics setting is for), and someone else complains that when they get buffed they have to wait for the buffs to wear off before continuing fighting? Heaven forbid someone make your task easier. If you're playing this game, of all MMOs out there, to be challenged, I'm not sure what to tell you. There's virtually no challenge in the PvE in this game and the PvP isn't much better after the I13 changes.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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You say that with sarcasm, but that is in fact the problem. I don't necessarily WANT the task to be easier. What fun is there in playing a video game if everything is too easy? Playing the game is the point to, well, playing the game. If I am engaged in a task that has a good level of challenge that makes it fun for me, and someone mitigates that challenge, they've reduced my fun. A victory without the chance of defeat is a hollow one.|
Originally Posted by macskull
Heaven forbid someone make your task easier.
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What possible fun is there in that if there is no challenge?
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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However, 99% of the drive-by buffs I get are NOT when I am struggling against a foe on the street. They're usually when
1.) I'm standing at the Black Market or at the arbiter (yay! I can buy stuff/pick powers faster! Thanks!)
2.) I'm in Pocket D (WTF?)
3.) I'm just getting ready to START a fight on the street (and now have to wait for the stupid buff to wear off so I can start)
It's #3 that bothers me most, the others are just plain stupid.