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1. People can't read minds. People see someone on the street killing mobs, and maybe having a tough time of it, and say to themselves, "Oh, I can buff him and help him out." So they do. They don't know you don't want the buff, and since 90% of the random people out there appreciate these drive-by buffs, they're not going to just stop doing it on the off chance they buff someone who doesn't want it.|
Originally Posted by Smurch
You say that with sarcasm, but that is in fact the problem. I don't necessarily WANT the task to be easier. What fun is there in playing a video game if everything is too easy? Playing the game is the point to, well, playing the game. If I am engaged in a task that has a good level of challenge that makes it fun for me, and someone mitigates that challenge, they've reduced my fun. A victory without the chance of defeat is a hollow one.
What possible fun is there in that if there is no challenge? |
2. Your point might have more validity if you were constantly being assaulted by a stream of buffers who never left you alone as long as you weren't in an instanced mission. Using your own logic, why shouldn't you appreciate these drive-by buffs, as once they wear off you'll have a comparatively harder time (and apparently, by your definition, a comparatively greater challenge)? As it stands, you're probably not hit with these buffs more than a few times per play session, and I can't really see anyone spending most of their play session outside of instanced missions, unless they're either making a point of street-sweeping for XP or doing a story arc that has a lot of hunt missions (these aren't all that common, you know). At any rate, you have to wait at most four minutes for a given buff to wear off (and most times it's more like 60 or 90 seconds). Really, your options are to either go hide in a corner of the zone to do your hunting, quit complaining when people buff you and kill stuff anyways, or just stop entirely and get no fun out of the situation. It's what you make of it, nothing more, nothing less.
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This thread makes want to hop on my kin and start SB'n everyone I see........and I'm off!
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However, someone will then know your preferences, potentially apologize, and leave you alone... gee, sounds more useful than coming onto the forums.|
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
That's because I see no point in complaining in game - it doesn't make the buff go away, after all, and it's not like you can remove it after placing it.
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| Nor are you going to in any way remember my character or look up my global to avoid doing it in the future. So what's the point of complaining at the time? |
Hmm. So what's the point of complaining at the time? Sounds like there is one.
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... so lead the first group into another and up your own challenge accordingly?
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Originally Posted by Smurch
You say that with sarcasm, but that is in fact the problem. I don't necessarily WANT the task to be easier. What fun is there in playing a video game if everything is too easy? Playing the game is the point to, well, playing the game. If I am engaged in a task that has a good level of challenge that makes it fun for me, and someone mitigates that challenge, they've reduced my fun. A victory without the chance of defeat is a hollow one.
What possible fun is there in that if there is no challenge? |
Amusing rant - it comes up every few weeks or so on the forum.
I actually have a level locked empath (at L22) who flies around the lowbie
zones lending an unsolicited "buffing" hand here and there, while praising
the glory, courage, and bravery of heroes stronger than she who are
willing to risk death to fight evil -- Yeah, it's an RP thing... 
In the several hundred hours I've played that toon, only once did a player
ask me to NOT buff them (in the Hollows). I complied... np.
In short, that toon will buff if it sees you in (or near) a combat scenario.
It's what she does. If you don't like it, you can let her know and she'll
move on. The overwhelming majority of the time, what she gets is gratitude.
I find it one of the heroes I really enjoy playing now and then. It lets me
express (and purge) some altruistic characteristics that pester me occasionally. 
On the villain side, none of my toons will help you at all... You're evil and
self-interested in power (as am I)... If you can't stand on your own, neither
I or Lord Recluse will miss you... Clearly you're unworthy for taking over the
world if the riff-raff puts you in the hospital... 
Part of the reason for those approaches is RP, and part of it is because
I run solo 95+% of the time.... That's how I roll...
Unless you are on my Global Friends list, or in an SG with me, I won't team
with you... It's how I play the game. Last I checked, I don't need the
approval of another player to do that.
Regards,
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PS> The tone of that post was intentionaly stark. People pay to play and
within the rules and context of the game, have the right to do so any way
they like. I will (like most people, I think) respond appropriately to a polite
request to help, or even to not help, but the presumption that I will play
according to some arbitrary standards other players set, is naive at best.
PPS> I don't "fiteclub" for the very same reasons... Foolish, arbitrary expectations.
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AAAAAAANNNDDD..... once AGAIN, that doesn't mean I have to LIKE IT and that I cannot SAY SO.|
Originally Posted by macskull
1. People can't read minds. People see someone on the street killing mobs, and maybe having a tough time of it, and say to themselves, "Oh, I can buff him and help him out." So they do. They don't know you don't want the buff, and since 90% of the random people out there appreciate these drive-by buffs, they're not going to just stop doing it on the off chance they buff someone who doesn't want it.
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| Using your own logic, why shouldn't you appreciate these drive-by buffs, as once they wear off you'll have a comparatively harder time (and apparently, by your definition, a comparatively greater challenge)? |
"Why don't you change the difficulty of the game to EASY so that when you change it back to NORMAL it will seem more challenging?" Why not just NOT PUT IT ON EASY TO BEGIN WITH?
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| As it stands, you're probably not hit with these buffs more than a few times per play session |
And it happens often enough that I felt it necessary to create a macro to send a request to the buffer to please not do that anymore.
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| Really, your options are to either go hide in a corner of the zone to do your hunting, quit complaining when people buff you and kill stuff anyways, or just stop entirely and get no fun out of the situation. It's what you make of it, nothing more, nothing less. |
However, this is a discussion thread SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. I'm saying my piece about it. That offends you for some reason, maybe because you have a vested interest in this and think that doing drive by buffing makes you a Good Person (tm) or something and so you perceive my opinion as an attack on your ethical standing or something. I don't know, but just accept that we're not going to agree on this issue and that's all there is to it.
All I'm saying is: Drive by buffs, don't like 'em. Never have. Never will. I'd really like it if the devs gave us a QoL option to be able to remove buffs we don't want or to turn off accepting buffs from people not on our team.
Until if/when that happens, I'll continue to ask people politely not to drive by buff me when it happens in the game, and if someone starts a topic about it in the forums, I might participate if I wish to have a little catharsis and join in on a merry rant that helps to vent that pent up annoyance so that my requests in-game can continue to be polite.
I hope that's ok with you.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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That isn't the point.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... so lead the first group into another and up your own challenge accordingly?
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What is your goal in this discussion? Do you think you're going to bring me around and make me change my mind about how I feel about drive-by buffing?
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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I guess add me to the so called "minority". I also would prefer that people not "help me" in game if I am not teamed with them. If we are teamed, that's one thing, but random drive-by buffing ... it is annoying.
Now if we're talking REAL LIFE, by all means, good deeds always given, and welcome.
**Damien**
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You want a challenge.|
Originally Posted by Smurch
That isn't the point.
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You complain the drive by buffer has reduced your challenge.
This is a way to increase your own challenge if you so choose while the buff is active.
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| What is your goal in this discussion? Do you think you're going to bring me around and make me change my mind about how I feel about drive-by buffing? |
You *have* had people just do things for you "just because," haven't you? Give you something you'd like even when it's not a holiday or your birthday, for instance? Given your stance in this thread, I'd have to seriously wonder. As well as wonder what your reaction had been if it DID happen.
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He's saying you're reaching a bit with your reasons for not liking a random buff. They have a short duration for the most part. They wear off before you'd be done with the majority of hunting mishes in this game, unless they nailed you with a buff toward the end. Does killing a mob in 5 hits instead of 6 or 7 really constitute being markedly easier?|
Originally Posted by Smurch
That isn't the point.
What is your goal in this discussion? Do you think you're going to bring me around and make me change my mind about how I feel about drive-by buffing? |
You have your reasons. Doesn't mean they're not silly compared to what else can happen to you in this game.
And I'd rather not have your QoL suggestion. We've got too many pop-up boxes cluttering things in the game as it is. Maybe if it were just the ability to remove buffs (which I thought was already in the game, but maybe that's just the empowerment buffs I'm thinking of), but otherwise, no thanks.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
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Yes, I can obviously take pains to compensate for the fact that someone has come by and screwed with my game. That doesn't make the situation any less annoying.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
You want a challenge.
You complain the drive by buffer has reduced your challenge. This is a way to increase your own challenge if you so choose while the buff is active. |
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| Just pointing out your whole "You're so evil for trying to help me, you should be able to read my mind, don't you dare ever do anything nice for anybody without ten forms of signed, notarized permission for each instance" is ridiculous. |
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| A buff lasts at most four minutes. They haven't altered the entire zone. They haven't changed your character into something else. They're *trying to be nice.* Perhaps someone else did something similar for them and they're repaying the favor by doing it to others. It's not a conspiracy against you, or the OP. It's not someone trying to "ruin your fun.* It's someone doing something nice. |
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| You *have* had people just do things for you "just because," haven't you? Give you something you'd like even when it's not a holiday or your birthday, for instance? Given your stance in this thread, I'd have to seriously wonder. As well as wonder what your reaction had been if it DID happen. |
The fact that you're trying to use this thread about a particular situation in a video game to make broad assumptions about me in the real world is extremely disingenuous on your part.
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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I drive-by buff, I will continue to drive-by buff, and I generally roll my eyes at the 1% of people who get their knickers in a twist over being buffed.
NOTE that I only drive-by buff toons under level 15, who seem to be having trouble. Meaning their health is orange/red. I buff them once and keep going. I respond to people who say thanks, and ignore (not /ignore, just don't respond) to people who whine or ***** about it.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I only buff on blue side, so I guess you are safe from my random buffs. Look how perfectly this has worked out for both of us.
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Originally Posted by Smurch
I only play on Villain side. How about that?
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Right. So I should be totally understanding of everyone's reasons for wanting to do drive by buffs, no matter how tenuous, but no one should attempt to understand my reasons for NOT wanting one?|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
He's saying you're reaching a bit with your reasons for not liking a random buff.
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Got it.
Glad we got that lurking double standard that's been dominating this thread right out in the open.
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| And I'd rather not have your QoL suggestion. We've got too many pop-up boxes cluttering things in the game as it is. |
My suggestions are being able to right click a buff icon and choose "remove buff" from the context menu, or an item in the Options Menu that was "Allow only team buffs" that we can set to "Enabled" if we don't want buffs from outside our team (that would be disabled by default).
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Originally Posted by eltonio
This is over the top mental slavery.
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I proudly go around Atlas Park, the Hollows, Steel Canyon and just about anywhere else I can and do drive by buffing galore, and guess what, I am gonna continue to do so...because I can and when someone does a drive by buff on me, I am gonna thank them and go about my business.....oh and sometime between buffs I am gonna do a couple of mishes or two cuz I can! Isn't this just a wonderful world! City of Heroes ROCKS!
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"Screwed with." Uh huh. Thrown such a major wrench in you may as well log out. |
Originally Posted by Smurch
Yes, I can obviously take pains to compensate for the fact that someone has come by and screwed with my game. That doesn't make the situation any less annoying.
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| Because they don't know how to read minds, they shouldn't assume I either want or need their "help". |
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| Please go back and re-read my posts where I said that I understood they're trying to be helpful. Do not continue to post to me until you have actually read what I wrote and aren't reading something that isn't actually there. |
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| But this is a game. Playing the game is the entire point. If someone tries to PLAY THE GAME FOR ME, they're not doing something nice even if they think they are. |
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And no, I'm not saying you can't reply with "Thanks, but please don't do that." (See reply to whatserface higher in the thread re: player notes.) But the whole "They shouldn't give me any help! Nobody should assume I'll appreciate it!" is ridiculous - especially with the *huge* number of times where the buffer will get the opposite reaction. If someone buffs others on the way by to help people out for a year, and at the end of that year has *one* person say "Don't do that," what should they assume - nobody will ever want those buffs ever again? They should stop completely? Where's the logic there? (And no, I can't think of the last person who had a negative reaction - in *five years* of playing.)
I will hunt you all down and buff you until you are shiny.
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I'd like to recommend the instanced missions available in this game where you won't be in public areas, but as you've clearly indicated your unwillingness to change your playstyle and since I can also understand the appeal of streetsweeping I'll just hope I don't accidentally come across you ingame.
Which server do you play on AnimeWarrior?
Eastern Standard Time (Australia)
is 15 hours ahead of
Eastern Standard Time (North America)
which is 5 hours behind
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Smurch, I get what you're saying about not wanting/needing the buffs. But I don't understand the SCOPE of your outrage. Yeah, it annoys you when it happens. Does it happen on EVERY mob during EVERY play session? I just can't see it happening enough for it to warrant five pages of complaining about it. Seems to me that it's just one of those things that you ignore the couple times it happens and move on. Seems clear that the other 99% of people either want it or don't care enough to complain.|
Originally Posted by Smurch
You say that with sarcasm, but that is in fact the problem. I don't necessarily WANT the task to be easier. What fun is there in playing a video game if everything is too easy? Playing the game is the point to, well, playing the game. If I am engaged in a task that has a good level of challenge that makes it fun for me, and someone mitigates that challenge, they've reduced my fun. A victory without the chance of defeat is a hollow one.
What possible fun is there in that if there is no challenge? |
Helix
It's a dog's life/In a rope leash or a diamond collar...
I cannot imagine the thought process or personality style that causes one to become enraged when given assistance with trivial, if any, downsides. How do you people live in the real world?
In days of yore, when the Hollows was a very active zone (yes, newer players, this really occurred!) I would sit in the entry area, SBing people. Those missions were far away and you were slow. I would jump around, Fulcrum Shifting people who were in big fights, or throwing Transfusion around. Only once did anyone tell me off for it, and boy did they tell me off. Local was filled with rage of the nerdiest sort. I'm sort of afraid to roll a Cold defender in case I accidentally shield the wrong person, and they make an incoherent forum post about me.
Actually, count me in with Smurch on this; even though my main toon is a kin.
I find drive by buffing very annoying for many of the same reasons he's stated. When soloing, it's an unwanted interference. Please respect my right to play the game my way when I am soloing.
You (in general), of course, may play the game any way you wish, as long as it does not interfere with others' enjoyment as well.
Don't assume: it makes an @ss of u & me.
There have been many times when I was simply testing out some new enhancies or looking for build holes, and an unasked for buff will interfere with that process. I will not thank you for your unkind kindness.
Also, for those who are saying go to instanced missions, not all missions are instanced. "Hunt x number of such-and-so" mishes are not instanced.
When I'm on a TEAM, I welcome all buffs. And as a kin, I hand buffs out to teammates indiscriminately unless otherwise requested. If I see a solo hero seeming to struggle with a group on the street, I ASK if they would like help... always.
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YUMMY Low-Hanging Fruit for BASE LUV
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Yeah, I gave a Fort buff to someone fighting Freakshow just this weekend. I could have been the guilty party! I'll go about my business from now on.
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Originally Posted by NekoNeko
"Pardon me, sir, you seem to be having a devil of a time fighting that rather nasty-looking fellow in the tin suit with all the sharp bits. Would you, perhaps, be interested in one of my finer buffs (if I do say so myself)? It is called Fortitude and it will help you in your fight in many ways! It will buff your Accuracy, your Damage, and your Defense to... Oh, my! It seems he got the better of you that time, sir... Perhaps when you get back from your trip to the hospital, you'd be interested in... Well! How rude to be teleporting off to the hospital in the middle of our conversation!"
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Influence Sink: IO Level Mod/Recrafting
Random Merit Rolls: Scale cost by Toon Level
Threads like this should be stickied, so that whenever people say how mature and helpful the CoH community is, I can link them and go "Yeah, right."
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In my case, it was in the Hollows, and my attempt at pulling a Troll instead brought around 9 of them, and they were going to dance on my rookie head.|
Originally Posted by NekoNeko
I remember from my early days playing CoH and mistakenly attacking a mob that was deep in the red to me. Just as I was about to collapse, somebody hit me with some amazing buff and helped me to take out the guy I was fighting. I was so amazed at the comic book feel of being yanked back from the brink of death. That was only the first of many scenarios like this I've seen in my 4.5 years and that first rush of grabbing victory from the jaws of defeat hooked me very solidly on CoH from the very beginning.
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Suddenly an ice slick appeared under my adversaries and they began to flop like fish. I got hit with some form of heal. It had come out of nowhere. I defeated the mobs and thanked my benefactor for saving my bacon (and not costing me any XP in doing so.) He wished me good luck and went on his way. It was a neat feeling. That was almost five years ago, and I have been on both sides of that story many times since. What a great game!
"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
Doesn't stop me from thinking in my head, "Leave me alone, jerk", though. Especially if it's a Speed Boost, so I'm suddenly running into walls instead of proceeding along at a nice controlled pace, or one of those damn Ice shields so I have all this blocky ugly over me instead of the costume I probably spent hours getting perfect.
Out of game, on the forum, where we have time to discuss issues, is the place to bring up such grievances anyway. And so we are.