Excitment... and FEAR.. about new "End Game" content..
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-01-22 08:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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If by "one new zone" you mean "multiple new zones" and by "end game raid" you mean "new endgame system", then the answer is still "no, it's way bigger than any previous Issue" |
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
End game raid + 2 new powersets and 1 new zone?
That is the definition of 1 free issue. |
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I get the impression that the Posi Secret Project is coming out after GR, but I could be wrong.
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I got that impression too honestly. But, well, the only other game in town ATM is champions. And that didn't do much for me. So, i'll take what i can get. And honestly, i know this will sound silly coming form the guy who STARTED this specualtion thread, but we really don't know what's involved with GR yet. So it's hard to judge if it's "big" enough yet.
So yeah, lets speculate, but lets keep our heads too.
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Why do we need multiple new zones if your whole claim to fame here is we only get 20 levels of content?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If by "one new zone" you mean "multiple new zones" and by "end game raid" you mean "new endgame system", then the answer is still "no, it's way bigger than any previous Issue"
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Don't forget, they'll be sure to be working on something especially intertesting to announce/launch around the time the DCUO launch hype starts building up |
Originally Posted by KingSnake
I got that impression too honestly. But, well, the only other game in town ATM is champions. And that didn't do much for me. So, i'll take what i can get. And honestly, i know this will sound silly coming form the guy who STARTED this specualtion thread, but we really don't know what's involved with GR yet. So it's hard to judge if it's "big" enough yet.
So yeah, lets speculate, but lets keep our heads too. |
@Golden Girl
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20 levels of content in CoH spaned like, 5 or 6 zones? (atlas, GC, kings, prez, hollows, steel, sky.. faultline...boom town maybe?) or maybe 10 depending on how you count it.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Why do we need multiple new zones if your whole claim to fame here is we only get 20 levels of content?
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In CoV it was.. 3? Mercy, OP, Cupa.. some of Sharks maybe.. or was that more 25?
So, i doubt it's ONE zone.
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We get 1-20 - that doesn't mean we won't get an arc or two at 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50 - Kheldians get content during their career to 50, but they don't get content that lets them level 1-50.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Why do we need multiple new zones if your whole claim to fame here is we only get 20 levels of content?
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For example, once you're sent out from Praetoria at 20, you might unlock another arc at 25, which involves you going back to Praetoria to report on what you've been doing in Primal Earth, and then playing through an arc or two related to your original reason for being sent from Praetoria - and once that's done, you'd head back to Primal Earth until you unlocked the next Praetorian arc at 30.
@Golden Girl
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Sure... we need:|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
Why do we need multiple new zones if your whole claim to fame here is we only get 20 levels of content?
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Praetorian Atlas Park (1 - 5)
Praetorian Galaxy City (1 - 5)
Praetorian King's Row (5 - 10)
Praetorian Perez Park (5 - 10)
Praetorian Steel Canyon (10 - 20)
Praetorian Skyway (10 - 20)
Yeah, we need about six new zones to hold all that new content!
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
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Well, not to imply that they are doing anything less than working their tails off, but since we're technically dealing with a 'mirror universe,' a lot of the original map-building work will have already been done because they can use the basica blueprints for some of the Paragon City zones.
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I think the mirror zones are going to have very little relation to the ones we know.
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Originally Posted by Sister_Twelve
Well, not to imply that they are doing anything less than working their tails off, but since we're technically dealing with a 'mirror universe,' a lot of the original map-building work will have already been done because they can use the basica blueprints for some of the Paragon City zones.
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@Golden Girl
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Might need a 35/40-50 too, for those higher levels who want to switch sides |
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
Sure... we need:
Praetorian Atlas Park (1 - 5) Praetorian Galaxy City (1 - 5) Praetorian King's Row (5 - 10) Praetorian Perez Park (5 - 10) Praetorian Steel Canyon (10 - 20) Praetorian Skyway (10 - 20) Yeah, we need about six new zones to hold all that new content! |
@Golden Girl
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Well, as long as the system itself does not prevent me from joining task forces due to some game mechanic, I'll be happy. I already have players on channel pinnbadges promising they wont exclude anyone and will take anyone on any endgame mission. So, as long as its viable with one or two "normal" level 50s and they don't have to recant, I will find that entirely acceptable. I just want to be able to go on all the endgame missions, even with my characters who havent heavily invested in the system.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't know about apples and oranges: there are people that complain they get kicked from teams for not being IOed out now. Others have the exact opposite anecdotal experience. Those two perspectives appear totally irreconcilable. I suspect an essentially identical situation will occur with regard to end game content. Who's right and who's wrong will very likely come down to which of the two a particular player's experience matches.
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I don't at all mind that to get the most out of a few characters that I'll have to focus on those guys. I dont mind making decisions. I just dont want the other 35 characters in my stable of 50s to be useless because I cant possibly have enough time to invest to make them desirable on these new endgame teams. Otherwise, I wasted a lot of time in the last 5 years, over and above what you can argue is generally a waste by playing video games anyway.
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Bah, they can do it at the kiosk in P. Atlas Park! |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Might need a 35/40-50 too, for those higher levels who want to switch sides
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At Hero Con, they did mention the new Punish UnicylcePeon System that they were working on - but it could still be delayed until Issue 17.|
Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
Well, as long as the system itself does not prevent me from joining task forces due to some game mechanic, I'll be happy.
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| I just dont want the other 35 characters in my stable of 50s to be useless because I cant possibly have enough time to invest to make them desirable on these new endgame teams. |
@Golden Girl
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Never. My fear is that not opting in to the new system heavily will make the characters that don't opt in useless for the new endgame content. They've never done that either, but anytime there is some radical new unknown system, I'm going to be worried, especially an endgame system.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Since when have they ever added a new system that was required, and not optional?
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The reason I dont play WOW now is because you have to have all the right gear and participate in all the right raids for a long time to get the stuff you need to be considered for the next tier of raid. I have no proof to think that will happen in COX with the new system, but I do worry that my favorite feature of COX may eventually go away.
Lewis
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It was too unspecific to say anything reliably. At most, I would say they let you leave at 20, so you don't have to stay in Praetoria if you don't want to. Pretty much all we know is that level 20 lets you have a choice of location.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
They have said somethikng to that effect awhile back, but I really hope, it was just a carrot.
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I'm still not so sure that'd be a factor - even if they give players the chance to make their 50s more like 60s, and so need to give them a suitable challenge for their new powers, lower levels could still tag along - I've done ITFs where I was the only 50, the next highest was 40.|
Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
Never. My fear is that not opting in to the new system heavily will make the characters that don't opt in useless for the new endgame content.
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So while the endgame might be for 50s only, I think it'd still be quite possible to have a mixed team of 50s-being-60s with sk'ed normal 50s.
@Golden Girl
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Not let you leave - you must leave - it's part of the storyline |
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
It was too unspecific to say anything reliably. At most, I would say they let you leave at 20, so you don't have to stay in Praetoria if you don't want to. Pretty much all we know is that level 20 lets you have a choice of location.
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@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not let you leave - you must leave - it's part of the storyline
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oh really mind sharing this absolute with me a link perhaps to this *story* you claim cause it sounds like your talking out your ****. I feel so sure this is gonna be content for all levels they have been working on it for over a year some people are giving these devs far to little credit.
Ye of little faith.
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Well, they did say that when you get to 20 you go to primal earth and choose hero or villain. It's in one of the vids. They also strongly hinted that you go back for high level content. It is still possible that could change sometime between 10-26-09 and the beta.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
oh really mind sharing this absolute with me a link perhaps to this *story* you claim cause it sounds like your talking out your ****. I feel so sure this is gonna be content for all levels they have been working on it for over a year some people are giving these devs far to little credit.
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ya they said you get to not that you must no matter what. some of you guys are putting words in the devs mouths.
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Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
Well, they did say that when you get to 20 you go to primal earth and choose hero or villain. It's in one of the vids. They also strongly hinted that you go back for high level content. It is still possible that could change sometime between 10-26-09 and the beta.
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Ah, I see. I think they might have said they only made content in the 1-20 range, and you go back for more later. Again, that may or may not be true.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
ya they said you get to not that you must no matter what. some of you guys are putting words in the devs mouths.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
oh really mind sharing this absolute with me a link perhaps to this *story* you claim cause it sounds like your talking out your ****. I feel so sure this is gonna be content for all levels they have been working on it for over a year some people are giving these devs far to little credit.
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@Golden Girl
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GG, no offense, but you don't KNOW ANYTHING. You're working from what we have, and conjecturing from it wildly. You can go a number of directions with the info we have, and you're going in one direction. I just read through the past several pages, and you're talking like you know 100% what is up. Which you can't--unless you're a dev--and then you should be packing your bags as they're going to kick you to the curb for revealing secrets you shouldn't.
The only thing I feel comfortable saying is what they have said clearly. At least 1-20 stuff in GR, a graphics upgrade option, two new powersets, some new mobs and mob revamps, and some endgame content of some sort. Anything other than that is pure conjecture, and portraying it like it's 100% fact is a really rubbish sort of thing to do.
Look what your posting did to Mental Giant. You made him all sad. And I can't forgive that!
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So you don't think that the quote that Praetoria "adds multiple zones, and it spans an epic storyline from 1 to 20" quote along with the "all the Praetorians will eventually leave Praetoria...it's part of the storyline - they all leave" quote kinda hints that Praetorians are not going to be able to stay in Praetoria the whole time? |
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
GG, no offense, but you don't KNOW ANYTHING. You're working from what we have, and conjecturing from it wildly.
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@Golden Girl
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Also, GR is as much about new players as it is about the longer term players - GR is about store presence, shelf space, and selling a new, shinier version of the game - and the endgame content is meant to help hook the first-timers as much as it is to satisfy the long-termers.