Excitment... and FEAR.. about new "End Game" content..


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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper View Post
CoV was not an expansion, it was an "expanshalone". You could add CoV to your CoH account, but you could also have it stand alone as its own game (and only have access to CoV zones and ATs). Going Rogue is strictly an expansion; you must have CoH/V in order to make any use out of a GR code. GR is not a full game, unlike CoV was.
While technically true, this is bull **** if it's the excuse they're using to shortchange us on GR content.


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That's because it was a stand-alone game - it needed 1 through 40 otherwise it wouldn't have been playable.
GR is not a stand-alone game - it requires COH/V - because at 20, you're sent out from Praetoria to the Paragon City or the Rogue Isles.
Sure, and the standalone required the extra ATs, which we aren't getting with GR. I don't see how it follows that we only get 1 - 20 (which is a miniscule amount of content in the grand scheme of things) and 50+ content (which we should have had a while ago).


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While technically true, this is bull **** if it's the excuse they're using to shortchange us on GR content.
I think they just havent announced the rest of the content yet. I don't know why anyone would express pleasure about just 1 to 20 content... Had I been at the Con, I would have tried to ever so politely explained how boring the rest of the game is at this point. 20+ 50s... pretty much dont ever want to do the existing content ever again. (but thats just everyone I know that plays this game) (may not be you and your friends)


 

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I think they just havent announced the rest of the content yet.
That's what I assumed, but now I'm thinking I may be wrong... and that's bad news for GR.


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Sure, and the standalone required the extra ATs, which we aren't getting with GR. I don't see how it follows that we only get 1 - 20 (which is a miniscule amount of content in the grand scheme of things) and 50+ content (which we should have had a while ago).
Takes me under 2 hours to get to 20. If I really sit down and do it without PL.


 

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I'm not excited about End Game content.

I'm certainly not going to delete all my characters that are under level 25 tonight.
It was only 3 guys... A Shield/Ice tank.. a Mind/FF troller.. both lvl 4... a lvl 18 warshade, and oh yeah, a lvl 4 Sonic/Traps Corr. So it was 4 guys. I'm still working on leveling 3 before GR. my Fire/Shield scrapper(35), a BS/SR stalker(27), and an Elec/Elec/Elec(41) blaster.

And, it's really not so much getting rid of, as postponing until i see what's happening with GR and the end game. I have OCD tendinces. It runs real bad in my family. So, ideally, i'd like to have all my guys at 50 when it launches... that a way, i can jump right into the end game, OR start a new guy in the new zone, and i won't have that annoying voice in the back of my head, the one that says, "your not done with this guy yet, finish him... FINISH HIM..."

Sides, the highest lvl one was 18, she was a warshade, and frankly, i wasn't feeling it. Prolly won't even remake her... The squids don't do alot for me... I have one lvl 50 Peacebringer, and no real desire to play a warshade... she'd been sitting around for years now... it was time to let go. heh.


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This makes no sense.
It makes total sense - the theme of Going Rogue is moral choice and changing sides - once you've made your first choice in the GR tutorial to join the Resistance or Tyrant's thugs, you'll then get to travel to Primal Earth at level 20, where your experiences might make you change you morallity again - like a Resistance supporter might start to think that Tyrant's dictatorship might not be so bad compared to the chaos that's sometimes found in our world, and a supporter of Tyrant might find their ideas challenged by the freedom we enjoy here.

Positron said leaving Praetoria for Paragon City or the Rogue Isles is part of the GR storyline - my guess is that players who side with Tyrant will be sent to primal Earth as scouts for his invasion, and Resistance supporters will be sent here to try and get help, or to warn us about Tyrant's invasion plans.


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While technically true, this is bull **** if it's the excuse they're using to shortchange us on GR content.
Not having 1-50 content is not shortchanging anyone - the endgame contnet can quite easily be bigger than the 21-40 content of CoV, so GR would in fact have more content than CoV.


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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant View Post
Sure, and the standalone required the extra ATs, which we aren't getting with GR.
Well, technically, blue side and red side will be getting 7 new ATs each


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When you type do you take into consideration that many people are tired of the existing content? almost Everyone I know is on break from the game... They do not want to do the same carp we have now. They are all saying GR will make or break it.


 

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How much sense would it make to choose at side at 20 and then be banished to the Rogue Isles or Paragon City from 20 to 50? They have only talked specifically about the new "1 to 20 experience" but it's reasonable to assume there is a new path to 50 in Praetoria (or 40, if they save the 40-50 zone until Issue 18). The only previous expansion we've had (CoV) had a full 1 to 40 experience on launch. My assumption would be that the next expansion would have at least as much content... more, in fact, because CoV had 5 whole new ATs and lots of new sets, as opposed to GR's two new sets and possibly no ATs.
I'm imaginaing that eventually they will have enough content to level from 1 to 50 in Preatoria, but maybe not righy off the bat. Even CoV was only 1 to 40 at first. Between lvl 1-20 worth of content, this new "end game" stuff, and go knows what else, they may not have had time to add much more. We don't know what else is involved in this. And frankly, the game needs, IMO of course, an fresh new starting zone, and stuff to do at the end of the game. The middle, goes by fast, and prolly has some of the most stuff to do. Maybe... that's a total guess. heh.

That's my take on it anyways.


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That's what I assumed, but now I'm thinking I may be wrong... and that's bad news for GR.
No it isn't - it'll help sell more copies of CoH/V


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Well, technically, blue side and red side will be getting 7 new ATs each
7 new at's they don't have to build from scratch. It is kind of different..


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It makes total sense - the theme of Going Rogue is moral choice and changing sides - once you've made your first choice in the GR tutorial to join the Resistance or Tyrant's thugs, you'll then get to travel to Primal Earth at level 20
So... you decide whether you join the Resistance or Tyrant's gang... then they banish you to another dimension that has nothing to do with that conflict...

SO not making any sense!


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7 new at's they don't have to build from scratch. It is kind of different..
Still new-ish - people will be able to do those all-Defender LRSFs they've always dreamed of


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No it isn't - it'll help sell more copies of CoH/V
It will in the sense that something is better than nothing, but for the longtimers here, GR really has to knock it out of the park, and unless the 50+ content is so fantastic that it really does amount to content from 20-30 for each character, then I don't think it will do that.


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If you join him, he sends you on a special mission to ruin Primal earth. If you are an enemy, you need to excape there until the heat is off you for a while.

It's not a hard sell really. And besides, I'm sure we'll eventually get more to do there. From what i understand, you come back later for somthing epic and climatic. (all assumptions mind you.)


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Still new-ish - people will be able to do those all-Defender LRSFs they've always dreamed of
Side-switching alone isn't a draw for some people, and new lvl 1-20 content (which can be completed in a few days without any PL) certainly isn't going to do it. The success of the expansion will rest on the 50+ content now.


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Then why not just make it ISSUE 17 the content that has been lacking for so long...
Because it's way bigger and more complex than any Issue


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Side-switching alone isn't a draw for some people, and new lvl 1-20 content (which can be completed in a few days without any PL) certainly isn't going to do it. The success of the expansion will rest on the 50+ content now.
Positron promises it'll be fun - not Jack "fun", but fun fun


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Because it's way bigger and more complex than any Issue
End game raid + 2 new powersets and 1 new zone?

That is the definition of 1 free issue.


 

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If you join him, he sends you on a special mission to ruin Primal earth. If you are an enemy, you need to excape there until the heat is off you for a while.
It's an excuse to not have the last 30 levels of content in Praetoria. I'm certainly not jazzed to start off a completely new character with brand new content and then have to slog through Striga (or Talos, or what have you) for the billionth time.


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Positron promises it'll be fun - not Jack "fun", but fun fun
I get the impression that the Posi Secret Project is coming out after GR, but I could be wrong.


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for the longtimers here, GR really has to knock it out of the park
It will

Also, GR is as much about new players as it is about the longer term players - GR is about store presence, shelf space, and selling a new, shinier version of the game - and the endgame content is meant to help hook the first-timers as much as it is to satisfy the long-termers.


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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant View Post
I get the impression that the Posi Secret Project is coming out after GR, but I could be wrong.
There's a flood of new content post-GR for a start


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