GR: Unquestioned Questions!
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Posted on: 2010-01-19 21:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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No overlap with City of Heroes, huh? As in, you didn't require the exact same client with the exact same game? And didn't overlap completely in PvP zones? City of Villains was called an "expansionalone" by the very developers making it for a reason. It was an expansion masquerading as a standalone. It was an expansion to City of Heroes in the same way that Opposing Force was an expansion to Half-Life. It was an addon to the same base game using the same base software that gave you an extra full-length campaign. It was not "another game" in pretty much any sense of the word that isn't purely technical. And that's the thing - City of Villains is a standalone in technicalities only. In actual practice, it is an expansion, and as we both know, the developers finally admitted that at around the time of the NC buyout.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That, and the fact that it was a separate game, with separate content, and required a separate purchase, and shared no overlap with CoH. Initially, CoV was an extension of CoH in about the same sense that Star Trek Online is an expansion of Champions Online.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Power_NA
There also was 10 more levels : o and the Moon as a zone I wonder if we get them too.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I don't think it mentioned anything about 10 more levels...
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When I joined this community I did so with the purchase of City of Villains way back in 2006. I had no access to City of Heroes in any fashion until I purchased CoH a year later. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
No overlap with City of Heroes, huh? As in, you didn't require the exact same client with the exact same game? And didn't overlap completely in PvP zones? City of Villains was called an "expansionalone" by the very developers making it for a reason. It was an expansion masquerading as a standalone. It was an expansion to City of Heroes in the same way that Opposing Force was an expansion to Half-Life. It was an addon to the same base game using the same base software that gave you an extra full-length campaign. It was not "another game" in pretty much any sense of the word that isn't purely technical. And that's the thing - City of Villains is a standalone in technicalities only. In actual practice, it is an expansion, and as we both know, the developers finally admitted that at around the time of the NC buyout.
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To me, City of Heroes, not Villains, was the add-on or expansion.
My point, CoV and CoH were separate games at one point.
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Right, but the point Sam and I were trying to make is that it was extremely artificial. Normally separate games are truly distinct even when built on the same engine. Oddly, Arcana used the example of Champions and Star Trek; those games share a lot of tech and probably use the same engine but they're truly separate games. They couldn't possibly be merged no matter how much underlying tech they share. |
Originally Posted by Clouded
When I joined this community I did so with the purchase of City of Villains way back in 2006. I had no access to City of Heroes in any fashion until I purchased CoH a year later.
To me, City of Heroes, not Villains, was the add-on or expansion. My point, CoV and CoH were separate games at one point. |
CoV was what any objective observer would call an expansion, but it was sold in a novel way that didn't require you to buy the earlier bits of the game. After it failed as a separate SKU in retail it was folded in with CoH. EDIT: I shouldn't say it failed. I'm sure it had decent short term sales. But it didn't build a lasting following as a separate purchase. At best it probably had 1/4 to 1/3 the sales of CoH. Not enough to command shelf space once the new wore off.
This whole little sub-debate came about because it was asserted that new ATs were included with COV because it was a separate game, but since GR is an expansion it is fundamentally different and we shouldn't expect new ATs. I disagreed; it's not that I expect or demand new ATs in an expansion, but were any to be introduced it's the logical way to introduce them.
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I pick up what you are putting down. I would love some new ATs but I'm not going to hold my breathe. My guess is we get the two new powersets, possible 50 advancement that was hinted at earlier, bunch of content and a new raid or whatever you like to call it.|
Originally Posted by Sardan
I disagreed; it's not that I expect or demand new ATs in an expansion, but were any to be introduced it's the logical way to introduce them.
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This seems a ton more likely than a whole five set of new ATs for Praetoria.|
Originally Posted by NightErrant
I have a question?
Praetorian Epic ATs! We know that the normal EATs can only be made in Paragon City and the Rogue Isles. (Because Arachnos doesn't official exist in Praetoria and... um... There isn't a Kheldian War going on, I guess...) So would there be Praetorian Epic ATs? |
If there will be PEATs (and they'll probably only come at a later issue, considering the track record), how'd they be unlocked, though? I recall the devs saying that making HEATs and VEATs be unlockable by getting a toon of the respective faction to 50 was a mistake.
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Hmm, a GR question that hasn't been asked yet.... Okay here's one: what does Tyrant eat for breakfast? I mean, I know it isn't Wheaties because that's the.....|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
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Nearly all of your questions have been asked already a load of time! Ask unquestioned questions! |
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It's hard to come up with questions that haven't been asked yet... But let's see about this one.
In the HeroCon video preview of Going Rogue, it was show that the Preatorian Clockwork will mind their own business until you start trouble. Which is to say, they won't attack you until you attack first. Will this sort of behavior be added to some of the enemies in CoH or CoV zones as well? For example, villains in Paragon who are just loitering around, or trying to play innocent, and don't want to draw the heroes' attention? Or enemies in the Rogue Isles who tell you to just walk away, or not get involved... could it be made so that they don't attack you on sight, so you actually HAVE that option?
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No, no. See, it's unquestioned questions. Questions that no one has questioned yet, not questions that haven't been asked. See the difference?
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Originally Posted by Xaphan
It's hard to come up with questions that haven't been asked yet... But let's see about this one.
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You mean in how StarTrek online is and will continue to be syphoning resources from CO and its consumers?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That, and the fact that it was a separate game, with separate content, and required a separate purchase, and shared no overlap with CoH. Initially, CoV was an extension of CoH in about the same sense that Star Trek Online is an expansion of Champions Online.
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I'm not so sure Kheldians aren't there. According to the timeline, Kheldians arrived on earth thousands of years BC; Marcus Cole was born in 1896. There should still be a Kheldian presence, but I imagine it's a little different from what we find in "Paragon Prime."
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Originally Posted by NightErrant
I have a question?
Praetorian Epic ATs! We know that the normal EATs can only be made in Paragon City and the Rogue Isles. (Because Arachnos doesn't official exist in Praetoria and... um... There isn't a Kheldian War going on, I guess...) So would there be Praetorian Epic ATs? |
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I wonder if CO will get double-syphoned when Cryptic's next MMO starts syphoning from STO? |
Originally Posted by Tokyo
You mean in how StarTrek online is and will continue to be syphoning resources from CO and its consumers?
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Dunno... how much of CO's apparent December-Jan "losses" were merely lifetime subscribers that were too busy in the closed beta to log in? Doesn't cost CO anything to have paid-up, but less-active players and the single-server design means that they don't have the problem with many low-population servers...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I wodner if CO will get double-syphoned when Cryptic's next MMO starts syphoning from STO?
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Yeah, as much as i generally respect Arcanaville (which is quite a lot, actually), i have to side with Samuel_Tow on this one. Mostly because he posted exactly what i was thinking when i read her post, but did it before i got around to reading it and logging into the forums.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
No overlap with City of Heroes, huh? As in, you didn't require the exact same client with the exact same game? And didn't overlap completely in PvP zones? City of Villains was called an "expansionalone" by the very developers making it for a reason. It was an expansion masquerading as a standalone. It was an expansion to City of Heroes in the same way that Opposing Force was an expansion to Half-Life. It was an addon to the same base game using the same base software that gave you an extra full-length campaign. It was not "another game" in pretty much any sense of the word that isn't purely technical. And that's the thing - City of Villains is a standalone in technicalities only. In actual practice, it is an expansion, and as we both know, the developers finally admitted that at around the time of the NC buyout.
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That's questionable. Why are we questioning questions anyway? Or at least why are we questioning these particular questions? That is the question(s).|
Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
No, no. See, it's unquestioned questions. Questions that no one has questioned yet, not questions that haven't been asked. See the difference?
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But, weren't the early arrivals refugees from that war? What if the war never happened, or it did and was over right away - no time for refugees?
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Originally Posted by TyrantMikey
I'm not so sure Kheldians aren't there. According to the timeline, Kheldians arrived on earth thousands of years BC; Marcus Cole was born in 1896. There should still be a Kheldian presence, but I imagine it's a little different from what we find in "Paragon Prime."
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What about IO set naming in GR?
If you are able to start off in Praetoria, would sets like "Positron's Blast" (and other such sets that derive from a "Primal Earth" character, but have a different Praetorian counterpart), still exist, or would they have the counterpart's name? eg: Anti-Matter's Blast
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You can make Villain ATs in Mercy, VEATs in Mercy, Hero ATs in Atlas/Galaxy, HEATs in Atlas/Galaxy, and non-EATs in Praetoria.|
Originally Posted by ShadowNate
While we know you can make a neutral hero/villain, I don't believe we know for certain if you can just make a Hero-Corrupter or villain-blaster straight out or if you need to go through the morality system/Praetoria.
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Originally Posted by Sardan
The only thing that made COV a "separate game" as opposed to an expansion was the way it was marketed. It used the same engine, same servers, and a ton of shared assets. In fact, it's not a separate game any more and that was not accomplished via exotic technology, just by changing the way the game is marketed.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
No overlap with City of Heroes, huh? As in, you didn't require the exact same client with the exact same game? And didn't overlap completely in PvP zones? City of Villains was called an "expansionalone" by the very developers making it for a reason. It was an expansion masquerading as a standalone.
... It was not "another game" in pretty much any sense of the word that isn't purely technical. And that's the thing - City of Villains is a standalone in technicalities only. In actual practice, it is an expansion, and as we both know, the developers finally admitted that at around the time of the NC buyout. |
Yes, the games use the same client. Yes, the games were merged. Yes, there are some aspects of each game influenced by the other (SG bases, PvP zones, Pocket D). But on release, CoV was still a standalone game. GR will not be.
Praetoria doesn't even have content from 20 to 45 as far as we know. Why would it have 5 new ATs?
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-How will the temp powers in the Reichsman SF be handled? With "new" ATs it could mean either overlap or brand new temps.|
Originally Posted by Westley
So, can you think of any questions for the devs about GR that haven't even been asked yet?
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-Will the need to address redside temps prompt any form of changes to the blueside version?
will GR have any new sf's/tf's or....GF's (Rogue forces:P)???
Will GR have mail boxes?
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