GR: Unquestioned Questions!

That's where I'm leaning, too. The easiest solution would be to just offer all the names & not worry about it.

I do disagree that the morality associated to the name is subjective- back when CoV was introduced, the devs gave some insight into their thought process when it came to the name and expressing the right characterization of villain sets. They saw value in making the distinction back then... but those really WERE new archetypes... not just renamed archetypes, risking confusion for purely aesthetic reasons....

...just was doing a kinda weak devil's advocate to suggest that we don't KNOW with absolute certainty that they went that direction... just that it's probably the most likely path to take.

You start an unquestioned questions thread with a question that has been asked loads of times? Good start dude

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My question is this:

Will we be seeing more city wide interactive events that are open to anyone on the server to join at any time? Small events like the fires in steel, giant monsters in Praetoria and resistance gatherings [like troll raves] as a small example.

Interesting. That's the first I'd heard that this was directly asked and answered unequivocally. I had hoped that they'd introduce at least one new AT and its existence was being saved for a "big reveal" by marketing.

The only thing that made COV a "separate game" as opposed to an expansion was the way it was marketed. It used the same engine, same servers, and a ton of shared assets. In fact, it's not a separate game any more and that was not accomplished via exotic technology, just by changing the way the game is marketed.

But that's beside the point. It's not like only new games get new ATs but expansions don't. There are plenty of other MMOs that have introduced new ATs via expansions.

Ultimately the bottom line is value for money. Players will just look at the mix of goodies in GR and decide if it's worth it. The value is subjective and different for every player; the goal is to include enough new goodies that the majority of the playerbase decides it's a must-have purchase.

;D we can't be absolutely certain of whether the entire universe will just up and explode in the next moment but not blowing up is probably the most likely event.

-I knew that much, however in order to be even marketed as a separate game it needed its own classes to play, this is not the situation with GR.

Ah, so you're a bagel man!

My question for GR is: If GR was a tree, what kind of tree would it be?

I'm not sure - but the forums pre-GR beta are becoming a weeping willow

Considering how much hype it has been given, coupled with how little we know about the details, I would say it's this kind of tree:

Keep in mind that what other MMOs call "classes", CoH calls a combination of "Archetypes" and "Power Sets".

For instance, if you have two different versions of a Fighter class in another MMO, one for an Orc race and another for an Elf, in CoH you would have two different Power Sets both under the Archetype of Scrapper. And in fact the Scrapper could cover a Rogue or Duelist class as well. (Arguably Stalker would be the counterpart of Rogue, but I think the lines are less distinct than that)

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Well... um... uh.... some of us can predict explosions better than others?

That's the first time I've heard of this.

Going Rogue is different from City of Villains in notation only. Which is a smart move. Trying to pretend something with only enough content to be a fairly sizeable expansion pack was a standalone game hamstrung them in too many ways, and they weren't likely to repeat the same mistake. However, WHAT the expansion holds isn't limited by what it's typed as. And as much as I hate to bring up WoW, they have so-designated expansions that do very much bring on new classes, so it's not out of character for an expansion to do so.

And how is that different from mixing the hero and villain ATs into the same universe? Considering they were already stepping on each other's toes in just their respective factions, opening them up to both sides will do exactly as you describe, yet that's treated as a good thing. Why wouldn't it be?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Apart from the fact that CoV was a totlaly independent game and could be bought and played 1-50, and GR can only be used if you already own the combined CoH/V game, you mean?

Comparing a expansion for a game with millions of subscribers to please/having the budget and development capacity with a relatively small team and modest subsciption base is not really..reasonable..I don't know what word would better describe this.

You are right about how the existing AT's will overlap roles as is, however adding more AT's will only make this worse, especially if you create a AT with the ability to do roles that were once exclusive to melee or Ranged ATs. People favor the generalist over the specialist, and if you allow someone to do multiple roles effectively that were once only done or are done the best by a class that does only does that particular task very well and little else they will drift tword the less effective but has a wider range of use.

A pretty good example of this in game right now is Controllers and defenders, while defenders are by far the better buffers/debuffers they have a secondary that does only modest damage and little else.
Controllers primary purpose is..control and in some case the control set has the ability to inflict signifigant damage, their secondary is buffing/debuff, their effectiveness in doing that task may not be as great as defenders but its still good enough to be of considerable use.

When looked at by a player or team you are considering how many different tasks that person can commit to and when you compare a Defender which most of the time can only do a single task ((support)) effectively vs a controller who potentially can take a role as major damage dealor/Group control along with effective buffing capabilities you will see the majority going with the controller who can do more while taking up less time/space.

As a counter example, teams tend to prefer a Tank and a Blaster over two Scrappers.

>_> ...I dunno. Depends on the teams preference. The point I was trying to make was if they make new AT's that do multiple roles that the existing AT's do the old classes will fall into disuse.

That, and the fact that it was a separate game, with separate content, and required a separate purchase, and shared no overlap with CoH. Initially, CoV was an extension of CoH in about the same sense that Star Trek Online is an expansion of Champions Online.

There also was 10 more levels : o and the Moon as a zone I wonder if we get them too.

Yeah, I dig. I just... well, I think that the trend among the forums is to 'predict' something big, huge, and revolutionary will happen, and that everything we knew from the past will be swept to the sides as we cry in wonder at these new divine gifts. Except that, as far as I can see, none of them ever really has, ya know?

So, I'm not saying you're wrong, that you aren't on to something, or that it's completely impossible things will be shaken up a bit. I'm just saying history, as I recall it, kinda says it won't.

I don't think it mentioned anything about 10 more levels...

Based on what we've seen of Praetoria so far... they'd have mirrored armor, or something....

Well, I poked through the FAQ, but I'm not entirely sure--does Ultra Mode (or perhaps the basic game) include a slight increase in poly density for player models and/or existing zones?

I'd love to see an Alton Brown epic archetype.

Let's face it, the man could make some pretty Good EATs.

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