Would you PVP if PVP worked better?

Firstly I was never willing to change a PvE Build for a PvP one, then I was never willing to put two powersets together for the sake of PvP and then I was never willing to grind for a PvP build.

Take those aspects out and I might consider it.I think the PvE side gives PvErs that much to do that ya just never get around to it. If you could have a PvP only build ya didn't have to farm for it could be more interesting as you can make time.

A second build as we have now helps a bunch and I felt that, that was most of the problem solved, but the next thing is that not every powerset works equally as well in PvP - IOs did put too much leverage on the side of the PvPer who may with his mates, gank the casual PvPer/Player who didn't find several trips to the hospital in short time fun.

I enjoy the zones if played as intended and would with any build take part in community events involved in them. Amongst huge numbers and with the ability to work with onside NPCs such as in Sirens Call, you stand a good chance of contributing. While some heroes were owning one hotspot, and some villains were owning another hotspot, the ones nearer their bases. I was using PvE play to help the Hero NPCs to beat the Villain NPCs just by herding the villain NPCs into ambushes.

Thing is we don't see massive events in them zones and I think there should be, lets say that when you attend a mass public event in Sirens Call as a villain or hero it shouldn't matter how bad you are you could stand a good chance of achieving a good random reward. It could be a lottery based for just being a part of it. Teleporters or secret exits around hotspots that you can get to quick from the hospital could make all those long trips back short and keep the action going.

In general with PvErs I don't think there is much reason for them to be in the PvP zones.

And we all know essentially gamebreaking combos in PvE (well slotted bubbler, a Kin or two, whatever) but we don't mind those because they share the fun with everybody and only fight the computer. It's okay have a complete minmaxed tweak on your team because they're helping you. The game honestly isn't that challenging most of the time, except when fighting some particularly hard AVs. Even Giant Monsters and events are essentially a matter of getting enough debuffs and brute force going to take down anything.

In PVE, if all goes well, everyone wins. In PVP, by definition someone has to lose. The mindset is different. Maybe that's a problem.

I think it's stupid that PVP zone hospitals only restore a limited amount of health and end, for one. If people can recover faster from defeats, maybe they won't get as upset over them.

A few people in my SG PVP. I've joined them occasionally , but I feel really useless most of the time. So I asked them to give me a PVP build I could work with.

The build had only 4 attacks. And I was told one of them was useless and there for the sets, "only 3 attacks is all you need" (direct quote). Then it had both SS and SJ for mobility because otherwise "everybody will leave you behind"; as well as acrobatics and several powers (like Vengeance) only there to slot KB protection, because "you need mag 41 protection or the doms will be using you as a pinball". Also Hibernate in order to escape from battles that go bad.

I'll be giving it a try anyway, but when in order to not be "a lolbuild" I need to use more than half my power choices to utility powers I'm not even going to use, it doesn't get me very excited about the character.

My ideal entry-level PVP would be an arena mode that put the PPD vs. different villain mobs and you took control of NPCs, giving everybody the exact same powers with only cosmetic differences. That way I could just start an event and PLAY, without spending a week wrecking my build and a month hunting down IOs.

No, Gladiator matches don't count because I'm controlling NPCs and not playing as one; some of those NPCs are absurdly powerful and break any possibility of a fair fight. I don't know how much has changed, but I remember the Arch Mage of Agony could take on entire squads by itself.

Nope, not interested in PvP at all, in any game. I don't mind that it's there for those who like it (although it does irk me that they try to "bribe" us into PvPing by putting PvE goodies in those zones).

Yes I would PvP if it worked better

Yes, I'd PvP if PvP were better.

I did a lot of it on WoW and found it more exciting than anything else I did. The only thing that ticked me off was gear twinks. I played so much better than a lot of them, but because they'd camped out the fishing hat for 52 weeks or whatever, all my efforts couldn't penetrate their armor. I'd even have some stand there not playing while I attacked, just to prove their "superiority". Strip us to our skivvies and I'd pwn their miserable posteriors.

So I guess what I'm saying is find the way to allow skill, rather than enhancements to be the telling factor. Have the devs create a "locker room" where the character is stripped of every enhancement and dons a "wardrobe" of his selections from a pre-ordained set for his class created by the devs. Everyone has access to his/her archetype set pieces and can mix and match within that selection to their heart's content. Give each character three "uniforms", or pre-set enhancement selections, so that you can arrange and save your enhancement settings days before you battle. With everyone given access to the full pool of their archetypes enhancements strictly within the arena, then even the enhancement choices you make become a test of skill, rather than endurance waiting for that rare drop that no one can beat.

Actually, Rodoan, that would be an interesting Arena Team idea, much like IROC racing; everyone races identical cars.

In order to be admitted to the tourney, you would have to build within specs outlined by a referee. Now, it'd be hard to do without losing a lot on deleted enhancements, but, if your second build wasn't being used, you could start there. Or, roll a new character straight into the League, and follow the specified build choices as you leveled up (and fighting in lower-level tiers at the same time).

I agree; it's probably better to have a mode of PvP play where enh don't matter rather than alter all of PvP in a particular direction.

People like variety, and in this case, players wouldn't have to sweat over making a build specific for PvP.

One idea I have had for PvP for awhile is similar: "Battlesuits".

Strt with a zone based on a hostile environment, such as a hellish dimension or deep space. Anyone entering the zone without a battlesuit would die (maybe just story fluff, maybe the zone can actually be entered 'naked', exposing the character to constant irresistable DoTs.

There are perhaps 30 different choosable 'battlesuits', each based on a pvp build: 3 Blaster styles, 3 Dom styles, etc.

Choosing a battlesuit changes your entire build while you are in the zone.

This would even double as a tool for people who want to try out a different Archetype but are afraid to sink time into it.

...that's pretty much all there is to it. Of course there would be some story reason to be in the zone, such as a critter base to be raided. You could even have several bases that could be taken and perpetually controlled, for the people that like to take territory from a foe, with appropriate rewards (although some sort of reset button might be needed).

Just a thought.

I very seldom PvP. However, I will gladly test out any changes that are made.

Similar to the ideas above, but probably easier to implement: a game mode that as soon as you enter the arena, turns off all your character's powers (everything, passives included), fixes your HP at a given value (say 1000 HP) and grants each player a couple of ranged attacks, a couple of melee attacks, a control attack and a jetpack (as temporary powers that only work in that game mode and go away after the match). That doesn't just level the playing field, it flattens it: people keep their costumes and interface, but everybody has the exact same tools. The map could be CTF based: each team starts at each side of a long base and they have to go to the other team's base, and click on an NPC to have them follow (like the scientists in Warburg) and bring them to their base. An story could be easily worked in there, villains kidnapping the scientist and heroes rescuing it, with a central feature (similar to a radio tower) responsible for shutting down all the character's own powers.

I like PvP, so I'll do it no matter what form it has

To answer the original question - No. I don't PVP. Not now, not ever. Not here, not in Left 4 Dead. Not anywhere, under any circumstances, for any reason.

I wouldn't pursue PvP here. When I came here, I had specific goals for play that revolved around the lack of PvP the game had. This was largely because I'd spent 5 years on competitive FPS ladders, often as a ranked group member, and I wanted a break from competitive play. Nowadays, if I want PvP, I'd do it in more stateless environments. That's just my preference.*

If I didn't actively dislike this game's PvP mechanics then I wouldn't necessarily avoid it. You see, I used to avoid PvP zones out of general disinterest. Since I16 I avoid them because I actively dislike how they work.

* When I play FPS PvP games, I like being able to change roles rapidly in response to changing tactical conditions. In most games that's just a general change of your weapons and/or gear. Here, it can mean a complete change of your active character. But generally I'm playing something because I want to play the character. My resolution of that conflict is just not to worry about PvP here - if I want to PvP, I do it in other games.

Not likely.

I do not foresee myself entering a PvP zone for anything other than collecting badges and then getting out of that place ASAP.

I have too many negative experiences, and the puerile antics wear thing very quickly.

If these PvPers want real challenges, then why not set up Monster Island or The Abyss as a *consentual* PvP zone, devoid of any non-PvP content. When a PvPer is defeated in one of those zones, his character is locked-up on the character load screen and then deleted during a routine maintenance cycle. Kind of like Hardcore setting in other games. You've got 1 life. Death = Deletion. THEN *maybe* real skill will return to PvP and the gankers will *finally* be diminished (at least a bit). No more gank gangs of 8 hunting 1 character just so that they can feel in control for a few minutes.

To answer the question in the OP's subject: Nope, not a chance.

PvP being a very minor part, is one of the things that kept me playing this game in the first place, I would love it to stay that way.

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Originally Posted by Eisenzahn They can configure PvP however they like. I don't abstain because of the systems, I abstain because of the community. Edit: Also, this post is 1337. Aww yeah.

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