Steelclaw's Stupid Question of the Week
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-11-27 17:40 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'd absolutely do it. I'd even take my flagship character, The Polish Princess, to do it. Her personal story revolves around fighting against the Fifth Column and now with her Master of the 5th Column badge completed, I think something like this would make an excellent capstone to her career. Even if she perishes in the first mission, it shall be bravely.
Or maybe due to lag.
I'll take a statue in Founders Falls please, with a plaque.
Yeah, I think I would. My characters might disagree about sacrificing themselves, but the -player- would be willing to throw them into the chipper for the notoriety. 
Mostly because I've felt that the players rarely if ever having an effect on a game's world has always been an unfortunate downside of the MMO game style. I understand the reasoning for the limitation, mind you, but it still feels like everything I do is for naught. This would be one of the coolest ways to cheange that.
Absofreakinlutely yes I would do this!
And, to be honest, I think there should be a team per server. I always sorta considered the servers alternate in game realities and it would open it up to more people. It would be more work to immortalize different teams but well worth it I believe.
The tough call would be who to send on such a mission...my Stone/Fire Brute, Mr. Brownstone, has been around over 3 years now and would probably jump at a chance to join the biggest scrap in history. He wouldn't do it to "save the world" he would do it to prove to himself that he would be the last man standing and then take as many of the Rikti or whatever with down him.
There can never be enough "epic" in a game like this. Stuff like Mothership Raids, the ambushes at the end of full team runs of the Ice Mistral and Sharkhead TF's (I always stay and fight to the death even if everyone else hits exit immediately), beating up everything on an ITF. I just love stuff where the enemies just keep coming in droves and trying to stem the tide.
So, again, absofreakinlutely!!
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I think this is what I feel as well.|
Originally Posted by stoneheart
Mostly because I've felt that the players rarely if ever having an effect on a game's world has always been an unfortunate downside of the MMO game style. I understand the reasoning for the limitation, mind you, but it still feels like everything I do is for naught. This would be one of the coolest ways to cheange that.
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Part of the reasoning behind me trying to kick-start a war on Union server, with a full scale Arachnos invasion of the PvP zones.
Then along came I13...heh.
They did actually change some canon to reflect player actions, namely in CoV Alpha, I think? Or Closed Beta launch...something. I might be wrong.
But some changes over-time would be nice. There are certainly things that have been left as they were when the game/thing came out. Some NPC in PD said only the other day;
"So, come here often? Oh, silly me, it's new isn't it?"
Uhm...not for a while now, chum
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Some of the NPCs around train stations still talk about the station in Croatoa being re-opened "recently".
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
But some changes over-time would be nice. There are certainly things that have been left as they were when the game/thing came out. Some NPC in PD said only the other day;
"So, come here often? Oh, silly me, it's new isn't it?" Uhm...not for a while now, chum |
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I remember reading that Coyote from Outbreak was a player character.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
They did actually change some canon to reflect player actions, namely in CoV Alpha, I think? Or Closed Beta launch...something. I might be wrong.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I'd do it. It would be nice to have a chance to have a lasting impact on an MMO for once, even if it was just as a plaque somewhere.
The trick would be to tie it in to a game event so everyone can participate in part. That way even those thousands of us who don't get to be on Omega Team part Deux get to have fun too! 
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I remember reading that Coyote from Outbreak was a player character.
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Originally Posted by Paragonwiki on Coyote
This character is named after the first pre-beta City of Heroes message board member, Kiyotee. Kiyotee, who was named Matthew Bragg in real life, was always the one to help out new people on the message boards. He died shortly after the game was released, and the contact was renamed in his honor.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Well there was the Alpha Team too...
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Fire
I'd do it. It would be nice to have a chance to have a lasting impact on an MMO for once, even if it was just as a plaque somewhere.
The trick would be to tie it in to a game event so everyone can participate in part. That way even those thousands of us who don't get to be on Omega Team part Deux get to have fun too! |
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Yeah, but the Omega Team was the size of a Hamidon raid. The Alpha Team was the size of Freedom at prime time on the Saturday of a double XP weekend combined with reactivation weekend |
Originally Posted by Vyver
Well there was the Alpha Team too...
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Yeah xD, but he was asking for a way that the rest of the population could contribute to the event other than going in the portal.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Yeah, but the Omega Team was the size of a Hamidon raid. The Alpha Team was the size of Freedom at prime time on the Saturday of a double XP weekend combined with reactivation weekend
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I wonder who the 8 survivors will be.
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So, Alpha Team was offline, whining about server hardware?
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Yeah, but the Omega Team was the size of a Hamidon raid. The Alpha Team was the size of Freedom at prime time on the Saturday of a double XP weekend combined with reactivation weekend
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I would toss a few characters at this, including my first L50 and my namesake.|
Originally Posted by Steelclaw
Now, before you answer... consider a few restrictions/guidelines:
1) ALL your character's actions on the TF will become Canon... so if they are the true hero of the day and lead their team to ultimate victory they will be remembered as such. If, on the other hand, they die in the first mission... that will also be well-documented. 2) This is, as in Omega Team, a suicide mission. Once you finish the Task Force you will lose access to that character. You have the honor of having them part of CoH lore, but you won't be able to play them anymore. 3) In order to qualify for the honor, the Devs want a hero (or villain, this is a co-op mission) who has a developed past. In other words, only those who have long proven themselves as worthy will be allowed to participate. The character must be a long-standing one (say it's been in existence for at least a year) and meet a minimum level of 35. So no rolling up a character and power-leveling them just for this purpose. So... if this were offered... would you jump at the chance or avoid it like the plague? |
Of the seven characters that I have that would qualify by your standards, (3 Hero and 4 villian) only one (maybe two) would have been accepted on the Omega Team, since "Magic Origin only" seems to be the case.
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I'm sort of amused at that promise of "ALL" you have there. I'm amused to think that ALL my actions would be considered canon. I'm imagining it going a little something like this...|
Originally Posted by Steelclaw
1) ALL your character's actions on the TF will become Canon... so if they are the true hero of the day and lead their team to ultimate victory they will be remembered as such. If, on the other hand, they die in the first mission... that will also be well-documented.
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"It's the morning of the task force to the Rikti homeworld. I've gathered with my fellow heroes here to discuss the plan, though it seems that no one really knows what to expect. I can hardly control the shakes of my hands to record my thoughts into this recorder. And I regret that what I say may not be as coherent or intelligent as it feels coming from my lips. I know in my heart that what we're doing is right, even though Hero 1 promises that this will be a suicide mission. The Regeneration Scrapper reassures our One Hero that only "newbs" don't have Revive.
We're mere hours from our task now. I have too much to think about, what with the family I'm leaving behind me. We've argued at length about my decision, but I felt at first that I had to do this for Earth. The longer I think on this, the more I want to leave. I must admit I'm afraid to go forth into the unknown and face enemies as powerful as the Rikti.
I worry that my allies do not realize the grave situation we step into. Even now, the Controller named "icegirl" is talking with her Supergroup. I wish she wouldn't; it's possible the Rikti are listening in on our local airwaves. Our Blaster is in Steel Canyon working on his costume to make sure he looks cool for his statue. I tried to assure him that it's the heart and spirit of the hero, and not his costume, but he merely said "lol." Our Tank has yet to show.
We've reached the threshold where there's no turning back now. Our Tank has not shown, and our leader has resorted to asking over the broadcast airwaves for a Stone Tank. I tried to reason with him to broaden his criteria, but he and the Kinetic insist.
Having found a Stone Tank, we're now stepping through the portal to the homeworld. I've... we're surrounded by Rikti! They've spotted us! I must cut this short--! Oof! Have at thee...! Fiend! ...
The battle is over, but I'm afraid I was severely wounded. icegirl was slain in the onslaught. Though we had expected it, seeing death so soon puts the truth of this situation into my focus. As I drag myself toward our Empathy Defender to bathe in the healing waves that flow from him at set intervals, I hope this reality is beginning to dawn on my comrades. We're do--oh. It would appear as though icegirl was carrying an Awaken.
As we drag on, our Stone Tank insists on gathering the attention of the Rikti and forcing them to give chase around corners. This slows our advance considerably, and I find it hard to suppress the desire to mention that we should be taking advantage of the unaware aliens. I also believe myself to be the only one noticing that our rock-clad friend is vulnerable to the psychic assaults of these alien enemies. However, our Empathy Defender, or "Mike's Hard Women-Aid" as the team calls him, is confident in his abilities, though his gifts have yet to intentionally drift my way.
Our task grows harder, and our numbers thin, as we push deeper into the Rikti homeworld. The foes we've been facing are stronger and more potent. I'm certain we've lost the Regeneration Scrapper, who has gone off alone. I know that he still lives, if only because my comm-link spews his voice to the tune of "teleport plz." Our Stone Tank stopped moving for a time before evaporating into thin-air. We've not seen him since.
It's only six of us now. I've grown closer to icegirl, who appears to be more versed in the ways of heroism. In the absence of our Tank, she has taken to distracting the Rikti by making them slip and fall on ice. Were I in a friendlier environment, I may find this more humorous.
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I regret not having reported my actions for a time. We were ambushed by a powerful Rikti warlord, who roundly cleaned our clocks. I have only just awoken in a hospital. Though I feel certain I was eviscerated by an energy sword, I seem to have suffered no serious damage. I question the logic or possibility that we would awaken in such a place, but I will not look a gift horse in the mouth.
I have regrouped with my friends. There's a silence between us now, as we know how difficult our task is. The only sound now comes from Mike, as I shall call him. His smoothly pulsing waves of green resound in my head on cue. I fear the noise may drive me crazy, if this battle does not.
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A second assault upon the Rikti warlord has prove unsuccessful. I am again waking in the hospital. I feel as though planning may have lead us to victory more than the direct attack we executed instead. I would have communicated this to my group, but the leader has already accused us of "sucking" and has evaporated in the manner of our Stone Tank.
I am very distressed, though this emotion seems almost foreign since those who remain aside from me are unphased. icegirl, to my astonishment, continues to speak to her Supergroup through the vastness of space. Our Blaster stepped out into the battle once more, alone, and not with a face that shows someone eager to meet the end, but someone who is blissfully unaware. He tells me he wants to look good for his statue.
I'm afraid my journey ends here."
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Oh, hell to the no!
I haven't poured my life and energy into a toon only to have him deleted and taken from me even if it meant having said toon join the canon forever. |
Comic and Hero/Villain Culture
Saturday January 29th, 2005 (12:37 PM) ~ Monday August 9th, 2010
Those Who Lived It Will Remember Long after your Ban Hammer Crumbles and the servers flicker dead.
We Will Remember This One Moment In Time! ~ Shadow Ravenwolf
I have a couple of characters I'd do this with. Neither of them are a high enough level though. Both would have their owns reasons for going.
Da Krusha (Energy/Energy Brute) doesn't know anything about himself. He has nowhere to go, and no one to leave behind. He may be a villain, but he'd gladly throw away his life to save the world.
Break Stuff (Arachnos Soldier) just loves to beat the crap out of people. If he was given the opportunity to join one of the biggest brawls in history, he'd go even if he'd never come back from it.
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there are one or two alts that i wouldnt mind participating in something like this, moreso if we got the in-game statue or something as a permanent reminder of what we did. but to be honest, id rather actually make some sort of contribution to the story end of it then just be randomized character plugged into the mission. like a reason the character was chosen, something specific the character did, not just the random twit who managed to raise his hand when everyone else stepped back. |
Originally Posted by Steelclaw
So... if this were offered... would you jump at the chance or avoid it like the plague?
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it's a nice thought to think you could do something with a lasting impact on an MMO.
I have two.
Agent Sorina Tavarisch, in a heartbeat. She's my Vanguard character (grav/kin troller), a scientist and survivor of the first Rikti War, who despite saving countless lives thanks to field-engineering Rikti technology, still blames herself for not being able to save more because her own superpowers weren't strong enough (tech-based hero).
It'd be totally my playstyle and her personality for her to go diving in to save her comrades (even if sometimes they really were beyond help), make it all the way to the end, complete the arc and survive, only to be wracked by guilt for not doing better. Hers would not be one of those triumphant looking statues (a la Galaxy Girl).
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The other is the undying Agent Andrea Blake. Seventeen years old when the Rikti attacked, she's my dark/psi def. Andrea's resurrection powers are fueled by her own life force, and yet no matter how many times she dies, she keeps coming back. Headstrong, fiercely protective, and absolutely fearless, Blake would probably die again and again and again over the course of the arc to save the lives of others... and every time she does it, she never knows if her powers will fail and she won't come back.
Blake probably WOULD get a triumphant-looking heroic statue, now that I think of it.
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Hey...D_R...
Vanguard movie-trailer-esque video? =P Just had a few ideas crop up looking over this thread.
Y'know, this is what I love most about the game. The backstory and canon. So many gems in it.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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What you're thinking of, Alpha me ol' chum is the Longbow and signature heroes invasion at the end of CoV Beta. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think this is what I feel as well.
Part of the reasoning behind me trying to kick-start a war on Union server, with a full scale Arachnos invasion of the PvP zones. Then along came I13...heh. They did actually change some canon to reflect player actions, namely in CoV Alpha, I think? Or Closed Beta launch...something. I might be wrong. But some changes over-time would be nice. There are certainly things that have been left as they were when the game/thing came out. Some NPC in PD said only the other day; "So, come here often? Oh, silly me, it's new isn't it?" Uhm...not for a while now, chum |
Originally it was just going to be a 'heroes invade, cause havoc, leave' kind of beta event thing which was to explain the high number of Longbow in certain zones, since they'd established beach-heads during the 'invasion event'...
...however the CoV Beta players actually formed fully organised resistance to the Longbow and dev played signature heroes to the point where they got their backsides handed to them to such a high degree they had to change the canon to mention that the attack was unsuccesful on the same level as the bay of pigs invasion, the heroes were forced to retreat rather than casually leave and Longbow only held onto it's strongholds by the skin of their teeth.
Anyway back ontopic, there is a problem with this, what's to stop someone making a differently named version of their character who committed the heroic sacrifice?
I mean your standard comic book options are open to use, you know, "The one involved in the epic heroic last stand mission was a clone' 'has a twin that's only just stepped into the limelight' 'someone else taking up the mantle' 'was bought back by a higher power'.
Death is never really a problem in comicbook land...
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Oh, hell to the no!
I haven't poured my life and energy into a toon only to have him deleted and taken from me even if it meant having said toon join the canon forever. |
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Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
^^This^^
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So.... how do you guys feel when I tell you that I've taken The Philotic Knight up to level 50 and DELETED him at least 3 times on two different servers... for no reason?
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Actually, before someone could make a differently named version of thier character, they would see about a dozen "homages" of them in Atlas Park, all with the usual name-cheating tactics of adding odd punctuation, spaces, numbers and such.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Anyway back ontopic, there is a problem with this, what's to stop someone making a differently named version of their character who committed the heroic sacrifice?
I mean your standard comic book options are open to use, you know, "The one involved in the epic heroic last stand mission was a clone' 'has a twin that's only just stepped into the limelight' 'someone else taking up the mantle' 'was bought back by a higher power'. |
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What about those of us who already have multiple versions of a character? I have two versions of my valkyrie, and 5 of my monkeygirl.
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Actually, before someone could make a differently named version of thier character, they would see about a dozen "homages" of them in Atlas Park, all with the usual name-cheating tactics of adding odd punctuation, spaces, numbers and such.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Then you would have gotten in before the crowd, only to be called "Unoriginal" or a Copycat, possibly even by one of the complete strangers sporting a copy of your beloved sacrificial character's name and costume.
Sorry if I sound a bit jaded.
I'd do it in a heartbeat! Jumping in on an epic mission would be the ultimate fun! In a way you really wouldn't lose your character as it would be immortalized to the game.
The next question would be... who would I bring? hrrmmm
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