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Posted on: 2009-11-12 11:07 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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And this sums up my feeling about all the boosters. I think they are all great, but yes, they are all niche and I hope for more niches too be filled in later boosters.
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Originally Posted by lionheart_fr
Both of your main posts in this thread sum up my perceptions as well. The animation and art for the Martial Arts pack is fantastic, but it is very niche (and most likely intended to be).
The run animation fits a very specific type of character: It is a ninja run, not a general purpose "Natural"-origin run. Hopefully in the future we'll get a similar run or other "Natural" travel power that will fit a broader range of character concepts. |
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niche? maybe, but consider how easy it is for someone in a fictional universe to learn to become a ninja. Kitty flippin giant bullet bob Pryde is a ninja fer chrissakes! Many of your toons could probably find a weekend to travel to Japan and undergo a few training montages...even if they do so whilt you're logged out.
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Based on the Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos comics and all the other titles he's appeared in since then it's a pretty good bet that Nick Fury has martial arts training. And by that i mean extensive training in hand to hand combat techniques. Even if someone takes martial arts to only refer to combat techniques developed in Asian countries (sorry, rest of the world, but none of your melee combat styles count), all modern hand to hand combat schools involve some techniques of Asian origin in their styles.|
Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
Batman and Daredevil are both martial arts. :/
Martial means war-like, so Nick Fury applies, as well. Unless you think he has no combat training. |
And the warrior helmet pieces have given me some bad-*** armor designs that have nothing to do with ninja or samurai.
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I dunno, I'm loving this run on my acrobatic SS/SR Brute. Keeps low to the ground and ready to rise up for a big smack. I love using it to charge into a fight. Looks sexy, either running or jumping in!
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Originally Posted by lionheart_fr
Both of your main posts in this thread sum up my perceptions as well. The animation and art for the Martial Arts pack is fantastic, but it is very niche (and most likely intended to be).
The run animation fits a very specific type of character: It is a ninja run, not a general purpose "Natural"-origin run. Hopefully in the future we'll get a similar run or other "Natural" travel power that will fit a broader range of character concepts. |
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Damz, both you and Sam need to go sit in the corner until you learn to behave! I likes my Ninja Run just as is! |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Thats not a bad suggestion actually. Increase the speed slightly and make it have a recharge/downtime and you could use it as a short burst of speed. Wouldnt take anything away from the power really.
I like this idea! |
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Yeah, there will probably be more boosters after all the origins have been used.|
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
And this sums up my feeling about all the boosters. I think they are all great, but yes, they are all niche and I hope for more niches too be filled in later boosters.
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But personally I find that both nice and ********.
Nice in the essence that there may still be a modern merc/soldier booster with flack jackets, tactical vests, knee and elbow pads and what not.
I would have also preferred that "thug booster" which was rumored to be the theme for this hunk of **** natural booster, but it turned out to be just a rumor. The booster could have had hoodies, jeans, hockey masks and the temp power could have been named something like cocai-....superadine fueled killing spree. Ok I kid.
But what kind of pisses me off in this whole ordeal is when I remember the times when good looking costume pieces were "free."
Quick question for anyone who has the pack: what's the end cost on the run?
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Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Quick question for anyone who has the pack: what's the end cost on the run?
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Almost twice of Sprint.
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0.49 end/sec, if memory serves. I'm at work now, so I can't verify it at the moment. |
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Quick question for anyone who has the pack: what's the end cost on the run?
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Better to report this in the official feedback thread and to /bug it.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Ahh, found a bug. Ninja Run will interrupt the casting animation of Pocket D and Mission Teleporter.
Also seems to interrupt the Rest animation. |
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Originally Posted by Failsight
0.46 end/sec
Almost twice of Sprint. |
this is the correct amount
Damn, that's pretty high. I ain't running that in combat, no matter how cool it looks. Oh well, I can deal. Still sounds pretty swanky, and I'm gonna pick up this pack for sure.
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Ninjas are so awesome that they can rest and take a nap while running toward the next guy to kill.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Also seems to interrupt the Rest animation.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Splendid: that's how the forums do it also.
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I only accept responsibility when it goes bad...when it's good I give the credit to someone else.
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It's the same as an unenhanced Super Speed, and 0.01 end more expensive than an unenhanced Super Jump.|
Originally Posted by Morac_Ex_Machina
Damn, that's pretty high. I ain't running that in combat, no matter how cool it looks. Oh well, I can deal. Still sounds pretty swanky, and I'm gonna pick up this pack for sure.
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Not that I'm arguing that you should run it in combat... I turn it off as soon as my first attack starts to activate.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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And now we've come full circle again. | But what kind of pisses me off in this whole ordeal is when I remember the times when good looking costume pieces were "free." |
YOUR definition of what "good looking" is is different from what MY definition is, and are both different from what each and every other person in existence's definition of what "good looking" is. Sometimes you have to pay a little extra for it, sometimes you won't have to. That's the way "real life" works. It all averages out in the end.
The folks at Paragon and NCSoft have chosen this route for giving us new things. Like it or not, it's not going to change anytime soon. Lucky for us, they've made the boosters totally optional, and given us the ability to decide if the cool bits in a booster outweigh the cost of buying the stuff that's not so cool, or not buying it at all.
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No, you overreacted to my response to the rather bizarre implication that Batman and Daredevil do not know martial arts. So does Nick Fury. |
Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Since I wasn't sure specifically which he/she meant, I addressed both the narrative and semantic implications of his/her remark. My conclusion still stands:
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They don't wear ninja robes or anything, no. I'm not saying all "natural" people should dress like ninjas, nor do I really care if you hate the booster or not. Carry on, sir.
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While I don't think that could be done with the existing body skeleton (arms are too short) beastly bounding along at a run MIGHT work. |
Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Beastly running on all fours!
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It would definately fit my transformed dog character.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
And now we've come full circle again.
YOUR definition of what "good looking" is is different from what MY definition is, and are both different from what each and every other person in existence's definition of what "good looking" is. Sometimes you have to pay a little extra for it, sometimes you won't have to. That's the way "real life" works. It all averages out in the end. The folks at Paragon and NCSoft have chosen this route for giving us new things. Like it or not, it's not going to change anytime soon. Lucky for us, they've made the boosters totally optional, and given us the ability to decide if the cool bits in a booster outweigh the cost of buying the stuff that's not so cool, or not buying it at all. |
Yeah I know, ulterior and vines were just amazing, think they are the best costumes so far.
Ok seriously, the roman armor was cool addition and the day job issue clothes, but other than that it has been pretty ****. Oh yeah then there was the vanguard armor, but that was issue 10.
I got used to having something new other than few worn out patterns per issue, but I'm messed up in the head like that.
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Or it's actual definition?|
Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
semantics of "martial" in its broadest and most generic meaning.
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dictionary.com:
adjective
1. inclined or disposed to war; warlike: The ancient Romans were a martial people.
That is not semantics, that's what the word means. Hence the phrase "martial law", etc.
Again, the ONLY thing I meant by that is that combat training you learn during warfare is technically martial arts. Most armed forces in the US are taught the basics of Jiu Jitsu, even if they don't call it that. It's nothing to get upset about, honestly. I apologize for the misinterpretation.
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The arms back pose is also extremely common in Inuyasha and Ranma 1/2. |
Originally Posted by Dispari
The [DBZ] characters don't "run" that often in the series. But when they do it's usually an arms-back type thing like what it looks like to run backward with the Ninja Run.
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This may be the less common variety, but I have to admit I recognized it the instant I saw it. And had to restrain my impulse to burst out laughing. (Happy laughter, not insulting
) It may have been designed more with the "weapons drawn" pose in mind as well. Although again the Claws and pistols seem off.
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That's rather ironic...|
Originally Posted by CaptainMoodswing
Or it's actual definition?
dictionary.com: adjective 1. inclined or disposed to war; warlike: The ancient Romans were a martial people. That is not semantics, that's what the word means. |
semantics
noun (used with a singular verb)
- Linguistics.
- the study of meaning.
- the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form.
- Also called significs. the branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they denote.
- the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.: Let's not argue about semantics.
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Ya got me! lol |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
That's rather ironic...
semantics noun (used with a singular verb)
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Honestly wasn't trying to start an argument. Whether some hero or other does or does not know martial arts was what I was replying to.
Someone else thinks that is related to the fact that even though most ninjas are natural, not all "naturals" are ninjas.
Two separate things.
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What if it has the word "not" in front of it? |
Originally Posted by Nihilii
Seeing as the word "good" doesn't apply to anime, ever, I'll have to agree with your quote.
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My beef is with the aesthetics of the run itself to be honest. It looks VERY VERY specifically anime in style. And out of context or when not holding a weapon, it has this very goofy "phantom of the opera or Dracula on crack" quality to it. Again this is NOT to say that the animation isn't amazing or the effectiveness of the power is not impressive. My own take on the animation when used out of context reminds me of a remark in the U.S. version of The Birdcage about John Wayne's signature "manly" walk viewed out of context. It's nothing game breaking or doomtastic, it's just a bit... silly to the point of embarrassing when it doesn't fit.
I really hope that either travel power customization or additional mini travel powers come along with as uniquely defined styles but in different directions. Though I could see Captain America or the Beast bouncing around a page with a similar effectiveness and equal amount of tumbles as to what NS provides, I just could never see them running like that on tippy toes, rigid upper body, only using their knees and ankles to propel themselves. The only cartoon characters I've seen outside of anime that run that way are those in Hanna Barbera cartoons--and I have a sneaking suspicion that very few of us, regardless of tastes, are aspiring that set of aesthetics with our CoX characters. (ugh. now I have that sound effect they used for running stuck in my head...
Anyways, I'm gonna give it a rest at this point. I'm sure I'm coming across as a stick-in-the-mud over this pack that so many people clearly enjoy and an animation that, though it is not my tastes, is admittedly superb. Thumbs up to the folks who worked on it. And I'll hold hope any future releases with new movements styles (be it a booster or free) will better suit my preferences.
The run animation fits a very specific type of character: It is a ninja run, not a general purpose "Natural"-origin run. Hopefully in the future we'll get a similar run or other "Natural" travel power that will fit a broader range of character concepts.