Purples - Really?!?!
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-11-09 21:45 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I agree with you. "extras" are nice, and i have a few on some of my guys, mainly because of dumb luck on my part. heh. I have a few set of purple confuses in my ILL/Sonic, and my earth/fire dom's poo man pet has both +res progs and a chance for build up prog in him. (and 3 dmg/acc Io's.) |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I'm probably half agreeing, half disagreeing with you. Yes, heavily purpling is part of min/maxing - but paying a bit extra (or turning a lucky drop into INF to buy one) for an interesting proc, or just extra strength on something (past a normal set or IO value) is worth it, too. Even if you don't min/max, throwing (say) Contagious Confusion into a confuse (or arctic air,) or a chance for hold into an AOE immobilize, could well be worth it for you.
Not min/maxing. Just something "extra." |
I do it when i can afford to or when i get lucky. I don't farm. I don't play the market... so i'm not really rich. And i always have 4 to 6 guys running at once. My funding is always kind of low, so i shop on a budget. In a way, it adds a dynamce to the game for me. Making the best possible hero/villian i can, while staying true to concept, and being able to afford it... heh.
It's a balancing act that adds alittle something extra, IMO, to my hero/villian building process.
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Ah - more than I expected but what I had hoped. So far I have only had time to read the first page but I want to thank those of you who have contributed to this thread. I also want to say thanks to those of you who have posted builds - I think it will be of help to many who are new to CoH or just now exploring IO Sets and Purples.
As I have time I will continue to read the thread and I can sense a new project coming on... 
So I am thinking a build which can hit the soft cap on def w/o many IO sets that confer +def would be the type of toon which would best be able to benefit from purples. So are we talking Tanks here? Shield Scrappers?
What types of toons do you all think can make best use of purples sets and still remain very survivable vs AVs, GMs, fights way beyond the aggro cap etc...?
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Originally Posted by DarkInvado
Ah - more than I expected but what I had hoped. So far I have only had time to read the first page but I want to thank those of you who have contributed to this thread. I also want to say thanks to those of you who have posted builds - I think it will be of help to many who are new to CoH or just now exploring IO Sets and Purples.
As I have time I will continue to read the thread and I can sense a new project coming on... So I am thinking a build which can hit the soft cap on def w/o many IO sets that confer +def would be the type of toon which would best be able to benefit from purples. So are we talking Tanks here? Shield Scrappers? What types of toons do you all think can make best use of purples sets and still remain very survivable vs AVs, GMs, fights way beyond the aggro cap etc...? |
I think tanks see the biggest difference with recharges, resist, and especially defense, I also think they are easier to soft cap. Tanks already are easy to work with when your going for an AV killer because they really just have to work with damage and recharge since they already are so damn tough. That just means instead of taking AoEs you take the single targets so you have enough damage focused on the AV and then get some IOs for damage.
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Originally Posted by DarkInvado
Ah - more than I expected but what I had hoped. So far I have only had time to read the first page but I want to thank those of you who have contributed to this thread. I also want to say thanks to those of you who have posted builds - I think it will be of help to many who are new to CoH or just now exploring IO Sets and Purples.
As I have time I will continue to read the thread and I can sense a new project coming on... So I am thinking a build which can hit the soft cap on def w/o many IO sets that confer +def would be the type of toon which would best be able to benefit from purples. So are we talking Tanks here? Shield Scrappers? What types of toons do you all think can make best use of purples sets and still remain very survivable vs AVs, GMs, fights way beyond the aggro cap etc...? |
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Originally Posted by DarkInvado
So... Really worth all that?
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To the OP,
It depends on what you want. Most purple sets offer recovery, fire/cold res, accuracy, and recharge in nice amounts that don't go away when you exemp, so when going back and doing some old mishes or tfs or even running in the sewers you could be a lot more beastly.
Some offer Damage and Regeneration at high rates but not too many. As for 6 slotting, there are very few purple sets that I would actually 6 slot.
As for needing them again it depends on what you want to do, I see them as more of a solo tool than a teaming tool. Having 5 sets with recharge, recovery, acc, and res; gives you faster recharging powers, great accuracy, 20% recovery (I think this is base stamina unslotted), and some decent fire/cold resistances.
I have a Dom with 6 purple sets, and I would say it is worth it, he is perma, his end bar does not run out all of his AoE controls come back fast and it is rare that I miss a target, feels like I am playing an AV, and teams love him.
but overall depends on what you want look at what you can slot see what bonuses give if you feel it isn't worth it there are regular IOs that do a decent job as well really just depends on what you are building for in a toon, if you are going for recharge or recovery I would say they are worth it.
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Originally Posted by JohnX
Yes. Because having an uber MMO toon makes me a better person in real life. In fact, just the other day this guy cuts me off in traffic...and I think to myself..."What would my AR/Trap corruptor do?"
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Oh, yeah, we have. Great.
Get over yourself. It's a big game, and there's room for power gamers and casuals alike. And while we're at it, can we stop with the straw man ad-hominem attacks suggesting that the other side is somehow morally inferior for enjoying the game enough to spend time thinking about it? Seriously, if I wanted a debate on that level I'd read a political blog or listen to talk radio. Oddly, I hold higher hopes for actual honest discussion instead of snide remarks about the other side from a discussion of a videogame.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
Most people of whom I was referring to, are the bite sized or casual players, however you want to put it, that don't have the several hours a week or interest.
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If they're not interested, that's one thing.
But unlike other MMOs of my experience anyone who cares to can compose a l337 build in this game, however time-impacted they are. The market is admirably suited to generating vast wealth for a player who can only log in a few times a month.
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I have 2 purpd toons. A fire/kin and an arch/mm. Both are rech heavy for farming. Those are the only toons yet that i've purpled and mainly for rech. Does it make them great, eh, maybe, maybe not. My rech on my arch/mm is 168% with hasten. RoA is up like every 15 seconds. I kill fast, but die faster due to lack of defense.
I think purples are ok for some situations but not best for every toon. But that's me. I have plenty of other toons i play with and all of them are IO'd, just not all with purples, and some of them are actually better built without purples. I say if you want to up your rech for a power, go purps. If you dont need rech, then just use normal sets like Posi's or something.
DARKONE, please tell me how to maintain your end on a spines/dark. lol. I want one so bad and have deleted 2 diff ones in the 30's because i can't keep any end while running like 8 toggles. lol
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Originally Posted by Jabbrwock
Haven't we already had this conversation in this very thread?
Oh, yeah, we have. Great. Get over yourself. It's a big game, and there's room for power gamers and casuals alike. And while we're at it, can we stop with the straw man ad-hominem attacks suggesting that the other side is somehow morally inferior for enjoying the game enough to spend time thinking about it? Seriously, if I wanted a debate on that level I'd read a political blog or listen to talk radio. Oddly, I hold higher hopes for actual honest discussion instead of snide remarks about the other side from a discussion of a videogame. |
I used purples on my Fire/Fire/Flame blaster for the +recovery, +regen, and some good procs as well as their good enhancement levels.
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Betty Sizzle-Purples: Level 50 Mutation Blaster
Primary Power Set: Fire Blast
Secondary Power Set: Fire Manipulation
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation
Ancillary Pool: Flame Mastery
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Level 1: Flares -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Dev'n-Hold%(7), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Apoc-Dmg(17), Apoc-Dam%(33)
Level 1: Ring of Fire -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg(21), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Dev'n-Hold%(33), HO:Centri(34)
Level 2: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(5), Ragnrk-Dmg(9), Posi-Dam%(9), Ragnrk-Knock%(27)
Level 4: Fire Sword -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(5), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Hectmb-Dam%(25)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A), Ksmt-Def/EndRdx(43), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46), LkGmblr-Def(50)
Level 10: Fire Sword Circle -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(11), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Sciroc-Dam%(13), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(13), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(25)
Level 12: Aim -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(34)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(40), Numna-Heal(43), Numna-Heal/Rchg(43), RgnTis-Regen+(46)
Level 16: Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(34)
Level 18: Blaze -- Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(19), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(23), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(23), Dev'n-Hold%(27)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21)
Level 22: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 24: Acrobatics -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 28: Consume -- Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(29), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(29), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 30: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(31), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(31)
Level 32: Recall Friend -- Range-I(A)
Level 35: Blazing Aura -- Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), Sciroc-Dam%(36), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(36), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(37)
Level 38: Hot Feet -- Armgdn-Dam%(A), Armgdn-Dmg(39), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), TmpRdns-Acc/Slow(40), TmpRdns-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(46)
Level 41: Char -- G'Wdw-Acc/Hold/Rchg(A), G'Wdw-Acc/Rchg(42), G'Wdw-Hold/Rng(42), G'Wdw-EndRdx/Hold(42)
Level 44: Fire Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(45), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Rise of the Phoenix -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(48), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(48), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Teleport -- TSM'n-EndRdx(A), TSM'n-Rng(50), TSM'n-Stlth(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Defiance
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Just bear in mind that some people essentially never bore of some of their characters. I still play characters I created in the first month of this game's existence.
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I debated whether or not I wanted to respond to your response of my response of your post, UberGuy.
And I decided to respond, obviously, but not in the mad, self-righteous way that I first thought I would.
Honestly, you are right. There. I think it is safe to say I was being a pompous jerk. I tend to do that when I think I am right. Also, I want to point out that it is in spite of your sarcastic tone, and not because of it, that I am ending my side of this argument. Also, it has occurred to me that when reading a similar argument (to mine) from someone else's post, just how big of an idiot he looked like.
That is all.
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Things that weren't unheard of before IOs existed (admittedly, it's something that's much more common now than it was then)
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
Actually you do need IOs if you wanna do crazy things like solo AVs and GMs
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Rad/Rad and D3 Defenders where soloing AV's way before IO's. Even Fire Tanks were known to Burn down everything. Now, every class can. Once I heard of IO's I knew it was going to become WoW Lite, with people spouting ; "I can tank this" or some other sort of entitlement through purples. Now you have the elitist grinders with search messages of ; "Tank with 2k+ life, 100% regen etc".
I suppose its nice to min/max your character you might have shelfed for various reasons, but I hate playing the "My purples are better than yours" game. I'm just glad it hasn't become a "gear check", before one can join a team.
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Originally Posted by Lacrymosa
Rad/Rad and D3 Defenders where soloing AV's way before IO's. Even Fire Tanks were known to Burn down everything. Now, every class can. Once I heard of IO's I knew it was going to become WoW Lite, with people spouting ; "I can tank this" or some other sort of entitlement through purples. Now you have the elitist grinders with search messages of ; "Tank with 2k+ life, 100% regen etc".
I suppose its nice to min/max your character you might have shelfed for various reasons, but I hate playing the "My purples are better than yours" game. I'm just glad it hasn't become a "gear check", before one can join a team. |
The funny thing is, there is no "My purples are better than yours" game unless you want there to be. If you don't care about purples and minmaxing, why do you feel threatened that someone else does and trumpets the fact? I can't help but suspect that accusations like these are ultimately rooted in your own insecurity.
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Originally Posted by Lacrymosa
I'm just glad it hasn't become a "gear check", before one can join a team.
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It's been that way. You've never gotten a tell asking for your powersets before? In a game where nearly any combination can defeat nearly anything, there is a lot of "gear checking" already.......we just don't always do it by counting purples.
Odd, I've never seen any recruitment messages with specifications included.
It's not like the game is all that hard. It's also not like it's that hard to recruit a couple buffers and make everyone into gods no matter if they have purples or SOs.
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Odd, I've never seen any recruitment messages with specifications included.
It's not like the game is all that hard. It's also not like it's that hard to recruit a couple buffers and make everyone into gods no matter if they have purples or SOs. |
Nine times out of ten, if I'm on a TF, I started it. I don't throw "ITF looking for tank, debuffs, and healer" all over the globals. I say "ITF with room for x." I know that any team of 8 should be able to accomplish anything in the game (provided at least 4 know what they're doing).
Sometimes I get tells asking what to bring to which I always reply "Whatever you feel like."
Every once in a while I get a "Do you need a healer?" tell. My reply is usually "Sorry, just filled up."
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that you've never seen such a thing, particularly when your own post cites the idea of recruiting certain powersets (buffers).
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Odd, I've never seen any recruitment messages with specifications included.
It's not like the game is all that hard. It's also not like it's that hard to recruit a couple buffers and make everyone into gods no matter if they have purples or SOs. |
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While there is truth in that I find that including specifics will often help fill a team faster. For example last night I was trying to fill a team for a Dr. Kahn TF. Saying in globals that I had 2 spots left didn't get me anyone, saying in globals that I had 2 spots left and would really like a Rad defender got me 4 radiation defenders. For popular things (such as ITF) general looking for X members work fine but when that doesn't fill the team being more specific helps. My theory is that it makes people feel special, knowing that you are THE RAD (or THE TANK or THE DAMAGE DEALER etc) is cooler than knowing that you are Number 6 (yes, it's a deliberate reference).
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
This post is full of so much truth.
Nine times out of ten, if I'm on a TF, I started it. I don't throw "ITF looking for tank, debuffs, and healer" all over the globals. I say "ITF with room for x." I know that any team of 8 should be able to accomplish anything in the game (provided at least 4 know what they're doing). Sometimes I get tells asking what to bring to which I always reply "Whatever you feel like." Every once in a while I get a "Do you need a healer?" tell. My reply is usually "Sorry, just filled up." |
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That could go both ways, and may just be mere coincidence. By the same token, you potentially alienate every person who saw that TF announcement who wasn't a Rad Defender. Your theory may also work both ways. It also occurs where a player feels less important, because they may have only wanted a singular power. In the case of Rad, they may be ignored the entire mission by the team because the team didn't care about anything but LR on the AV at the end. |
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
While there is truth in that I find that including specifics will often help fill a team faster. For example last night I was trying to fill a team for a Dr. Kahn TF. Saying in globals that I had 2 spots left didn't get me anyone, saying in globals that I had 2 spots left and would really like a Rad defender got me 4 radiation defenders. For popular things (such as ITF) general looking for X members work fine but when that doesn't fill the team being more specific helps. My theory is that it makes people feel special, knowing that you are THE RAD (or THE TANK or THE DAMAGE DEALER etc) is cooler than knowing that you are Number 6 (yes, it's a deliberate reference).
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At any event, this is one such example of a posting for a certain powerset. In your case, it sounds like you would have been very flexible if someone had asked if something else would work, but in other cases the person recruiting is extremely rigid, sometimes to the extent of explicitly wanting certain powers. The viewer of the announcement doesn't necessarily know, and can take a varied approach to that announcement.
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I probably should have been more clear in what I meant. Someone above mentioned recruitment asking for a tanker with 2k HP and 100 regen. I've never seen the likes of that. I have seen messages asking for kins and rads however. I don't really consider asking for a powerset as a specification, but I can certainly understand such an interpretation. Usually I just see people ask for buff/debuff. That's what I ask for as a rule.
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Originally Posted by brophog02
I find it incredibly hard to believe that you've never seen such a thing, particularly when your own post cites the idea of recruiting certain powersets (buffers).
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Originally Posted by brophog02
That could go both ways, and may just be mere coincidence. By the same token, you potentially alienate every person who saw that TF announcement who wasn't a Rad Defender. Your theory may also work both ways. It also occurs where a player feels less important, because they may have only wanted a singular power. In the case of Rad, they may be ignored the entire mission by the team because the team didn't care about anything but LR on the AV at the end.
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Also if someone was put out that people are specifically looking for a rad, they need to crank down the gain on their sensitivity meter.
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