Mission Architect: 2009 Player Awards! Voting
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airhead,
Posted on: 2009-10-14 20:33 in Mission Architect
Speaking as the one who nominated "The Marconeville Horror" in the first place, it's definitely a soloable arc and I didn't even slot TOs at the time. This is one of those rare cases where I'm simply going to say "lrn2play".
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"Lrning2play" is what TO-level content is for, which is why it is designed around the assumption that you DON'T know how to play.
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
Speaking as the one who nominated "The Marconeville Horror" in the first place, it's definitely a soloable arc and I didn't even slot TOs at the time. This is one of those rare cases where I'm simply going to say "lrn2play".
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Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
For the Best Multi-Part Arc, I cast my vote for the peerless The Consequences of War Part 1 #227331 and Part 2 #241496 @Dalghryn
Runner up would be: The Lost Choir #123675, 136959, 141011 @MrSquid
Currently a tie for the TO arcs. Need more votes if you haven't voted yet, either that or help me figure out how to handle a tie-breaker.
Tierdome! Two arcs enter, one arc leaves!
Players' Choice Awards: Best Dual-Origin Level Range Arc!
It's a new era, the era of the Mission Architect. Can you save the Universe from...
The Invasion of the Bikini-clad Samurai Vampiresses from Outer Space? - Arc ID 61013
Alrighty. After debating with myself whether it would be correct to vote in this when I clearly have not played all of the arcs nominated, I've decided that I will only vote in select categories. In those categories, I have played all of the arcs, so I think my vote would be fair.
SO -
1.) Astoria in D Minor
2.) Teen Phalanx Forever
Epic -
1.) The Most Important Thing
2.) A Warrior's Journey: The Flower Knight Task Force
Multi-Part
1.) The Consequences of War
2.) The Audition
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Don't they require teaming on every TF/SF? I don't think they've admitted to any such thing and it seems counter the whole point of a MMO. I usually have maybe half TOs & half DOs in the 15 level range at most and the real big shift doesn't happen until SOs anyway, imho. I think I understand now some of the harsh reviews I've read on these forums if you guys really expect amateur mission creators to do better than the people who've trained to do this stuff for years and/or do it for a living.|
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Anything that forces teaming is bad. The devs admitted as much when they allowed AVs to downgrade to EBs for soloers.
An arc should be playable by characters within the level range to which the arc is set. If we're going to use "the devs do it" as a defense, the devs also "spoil the surprise" by including warnings on AV missions. By the way, there are no AVs in TO-range dev-created content. Players don't encounter AVs in dev-created content until level 15. And finally, the devs also create defeat alls on giant maps, "find 20 hostages and 30 blinkies in Oranbega," high-end villainous content that forces players to face AVs with nukes, mezzes, massive damage and tier 9s no matter which contact they choose, and many other examples of poor design decisions. Player architects should be learning from these mistakes, not imitating them. |
As for the warning about AVs the Devs give in their content outside the MA, they don't have the advantage of the arc story description that all of a party can read beforehand that can let you know there's AVs in an arc so having to put that information in twice just seems redundant and too restrictive for me.
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I find myself in full agreement with your posts here. I could not have said it better.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
"Lrning2play" is what TO-level content is for, which is why it is designed around the assumption that you DON'T know how to play.
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A Dance-Off, of course!|
Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
Currently a tie for the TO arcs. Need more votes if you haven't voted yet, either that or help me figure out how to handle a tie-breaker.
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Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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A shared first place perhaps? If that is what the votes say, listen to the votes.
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Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
Currently a tie for the TO arcs. Need more votes if you haven't voted yet, either that or help me figure out how to handle a tie-breaker.
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Out of curiosity, is it a tie using 1st place = 2 points, 2nd = 1 point rule, or are you using a different system?
Edit: typo.
A Penny For Your Thoughts #348691 <- Dev's Choice'd by Dr. Aeon!
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My vote for best Multi-Part Arc:
1) The Consequences of War Part 1 #227331 and Part 2 #241496 @Dalghryn
2) The Audition Part 1 #221240 and Part 2 #221241 @MRCaptainMan
I also wanted to correct a mistake I made in my previous voting. Back when I cast my "no award" vote for best short arc, Wrong Number correctly questioned my judgement on this. To give a little background on myself, I have been a board game enthusiaist for 32 years now. I used to write reviews and did a good deal of playtesting, a little of which I still do today. Because of my background, I had been invited a few times to participate in review panels similar to what Bubba is doing with his players choice awards. In each of these, the "no award" vote was part of the process (the Hugos use this too, if I remember correctly). As a result of this, I fell back on this programming and lost sight of my principle rule with respect to this game which is that CoH is about fun before anything else. So, I wanted to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone involved in the MA players choice awards for my apples to oranges mistake.
My corrected vote for Best Short Arc:
1) Celebrity Kidnapping #1388 @PW
2) Of Sound Body and Mind #13107 @Mr. Mud
Jail.Bird
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I just wanted to say I agree with you on this and, really don't see where the issue is here. My toon was partially TOed at best and the EB was really no problem at all, especially compared to other nominated arcs which have racked up some pretty impressive kill ratios on the same toon.
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Originally Posted by Lazarus
Speaking as the one who nominated "The Marconeville Horror" in the first place, it's definitely a soloable arc and I didn't even slot TOs at the time.
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Jail.Bird
I had hoped I would be able to be able to play all the arcs in more categories, but RL comes before CoH. These are the ones I did manage to get done.
Best TO Range Arc (1-15)
The Marconeville Horror #178278 @Footloose
Mercytown, the one with the fish #6017 @Tangler
Best SO Level Arc (25-40)
Escalation #6143 @FemFury
Teen Phalanx Forever! #67335 @PW
Best Short Arc (1-3 missions)
Of Sound Body and Mind #13107 @Mr. Mud
The Monster Hop #27861 @Big Daddy Vio
Best Comedy Arc
In Poor Taste #259920 @Wrong Number
Seeking Men #169114 @Fatare
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Well that is the beauty of CoX, as opposed to some other MMOs: teaming is encouraged, but you can solo if you want to.|
Originally Posted by Irresponsible
Don't they require teaming on every TF/SF? I don't think they've admitted to any such thing and it seems counter the whole point of a MMO.
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MA allows us to create story arcs, not TFs. You can't set a "must have x number of players of at least level x" requirement on your arc, so you don't get to create a TF, and that is the only part of CoX that requires a team.
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| I think I understand now some of the harsh reviews I've read on these forums if you guys really expect amateur mission creators to do better than the people who've trained to do this stuff for years and/or do it for a living. |
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
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Then you shouldn't be playing a arc that tells you upfront that it has EBs and AVs in it, and certainly not playing it below the level it was intended for (10-20) if you're not already an experienced player. There is plenty of other content out there that babies the player, especially the canon content.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
"Lrning2play" is what TO-level content is for, which is why it is designed around the assumption that you DON'T know how to play.
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I didn't play it. If I see an AV warning on a pre-SO arc, I generally don't play it. If I see an Extreme anything warning at any level, I don't play it. And yes, I am an experienced player.|
Originally Posted by Lazarus
Then you shouldn't be playing a arc that tells you upfront that it has EBs and AVs in it, and certainly not playing it below the level it was intended for (10-20) if you're not already an experienced player. There is plenty of other content out there that babies the player, especially the canon content.
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I stop expecting to be babied when I get to SOs and my character stops sucking. Pulling every spawn and resting every five seconds is not my idea of a good time.
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
Arc ID#431270 Until the End of the World
For some reason I thought this thread was a players choice awards FOR not AGAINST. -_-
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Then why are you even talking about it? This is just nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
I didn't play it.
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For Best Multi-Part Arc (2+ arcs):
First place: The Consequences of War Part 1 #227331 and Part 2 #241496 @Dalghryn
Second place: Turg Fiction: Ghost in the Machine, Acts I and II #1013 #174557 @Turgenev
W4E
Still one more day of voting. I'll post sometime after 9pm Eastern time closing the voting, and I will have the results, statistics, and whatever else in a new thread shortly afterwards.
Comedy can be very subjective....
but, here's my opinions.
Best Comedy Arc
1st: Verner von Grun's Extraordinary Extradimensional Excursions #115174 @Igor Blimey
2nd: Freakshow U #189073 @Lethal Guardian
time to see if I can play through the Serious Arcs.
No way I'll have the time to play all the multi-part arcs and get a vote in there, I'm thinking.
I'm a published amateur comic book author: www.ericjohnsoncomics.com
******MA Arcs****
Arc 5909: "Amazon-Avatars"
Arc 6143: "Escalation" (Nominee: Architect Awards, Nominee: Player Awards, and Dev's Choice!)
Best Serious Arc
1st: Kiss Hello Goodbye #156389 @Kitsune9tails
2nd: Tales of Croatoa: A Rose By Any Other Name #178774 @Silvers1
Normally, I'd hate an arc that puts thoughts into my character's head or does too much to eliminate the all-to-fragile illusion of free will for our character. However, "Kiss Hello Goodbye" did give ample warning in it's intro, and so I played it "out of character", so to speak, and it ended up working for me. Your mileage may vary.
and that's it. I'm done. going to bed. 
I'm a published amateur comic book author: www.ericjohnsoncomics.com
******MA Arcs****
Arc 5909: "Amazon-Avatars"
Arc 6143: "Escalation" (Nominee: Architect Awards, Nominee: Player Awards, and Dev's Choice!)
Squeezed in one final set of arcs - here's the vote:
Best SO Arc:
1st: Teen Phalanx Forever (#67335)
2nd: Escalation (#6143)
Oh nuts. I just realized Shagster is @FemFury. Which makes it look like I just traded second place votes with her. For the record: Escalation and TPF were the two highest scorers when I played through the SO arcs - with TPF winning by .125 points (not that anyone but me knows what that means)...
M.A. Arcs
Intended for high level play: The Primus Trilogy (Arc #s 10931, 283821, 283825), "Freakshow U" (Arc #189073), Purification (Arc #352381, Dev's Choice!
)Intended for low level play: "Learning the Ropes" (Arc #100304), "Cracking Skulls" (Arc #115935), "The Lazarus Project" (Arc #124906)
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