Why do I have to buy Going Rogue in Europe?
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Posted on: 2009-09-06 02:10 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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use a different one already, the old one from your sig was good, but you are getting stale with this one|
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Except I love this one! If I do change it... it'll be to Ran (not to be confused with Rin!) and Chen dancing in the alternate version of that video.
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use a different one already, the old one from your sig was good, but you are getting stale with this one
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
lemmie send you some screenies of my characters before you decide on my sanity
ok just for clarity, the guy wants the us and eu servers both to be selectable for eu players because he finds the population too low, right? that's what i think i'm getting. doesnt seem unreasonable to me, thought i have no idea if there are major technical/legal problems with this. |
We would all welcome this however how would you handle global handles and characters with the same name if we were just copied onto another server?
Both my US and EU account are @damz so which one would keep its global handle?
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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Originally Posted by Hero_EX
I play on european servers and COV is died there. Why I move my heroes on maps depopulated?
I've always bought everything but GR is unnecessary if positron not merge the server lists? |
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Originally Posted by Niviene
Q: When will City of Heroes Going Rogue launch?
A: When its ready. We are not announcing the date at this time. |
Dear Lord, man! If you're going to speak like IR Baboon and make unfounded demands, at least get your facts straight. This wasn't exactly that hard to find.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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You don't.
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Well there is the whole _EU and _NA thing. Worked for the forums, would work for globals as well |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
We would all welcome this however how would you handle global handles and characters with the same name if we were just copied onto another server?
Both my US and EU account are @damz so which one would keep its global handle? |
Would not solve the issue with avatar names and quite a few people are vehemently against losing their avatar name.
Personally, I think that nothing is going to change until GR has been activated to see if that has success.
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Well you could Make one _NA and the other _EU and then have them fight it out in the arena with 2 level one fire fire blasters, winning looses their suffix the other keeps theirs |
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
We would all welcome this however how would you handle global handles and characters with the same name if we were just copied onto another server?
Both my US and EU account are @damz so which one would keep its global handle? |
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Avatar Name change wouldn't be needed if the serever lists were merged. That is to say you log in and have the choice of all the NA and EU servers, thus the Avatars on Union are still on Union.|
Originally Posted by GrinningSpade
Well there is the whole _EU and _NA thing. Worked for the forums, would work for globals as well
Would not solve the issue with avatar names and quite a few people are vehemently against losing their avatar name. Personally, I think that nothing is going to change until GR has been activated to see if that has success. |
Of course if the merged Union with Freedom, then we'd need to change Avatar names, but I'm guessing that'd be a nightmare and I really can't see them merging the French or German serevers with an english speaking NA one that would be crazy.
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bring it on, we welcome a fight for insanity.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Then you better not go near Guardian.
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u have guardian, but we have this
I do not know the Dev problems but is really difficult to merge the two lists?
I started on Freedom a new character with a aviable name ...
The only solution is remove 5 years of play?!!
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They aren't suggesting merging the servers. What's being suggested is adding the EU servers to the list of NA servers. EU has what 4 servers? added to ours we'd then have 15 servers to choose from.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
We would all welcome this however how would you handle global handles and characters with the same name if we were just copied onto another server?
Both my US and EU account are @damz so which one would keep its global handle? |
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If they were to merge servers it would probably be Freedom with the French server. Freedom has a rep for being as rude as the French.|
Originally Posted by Heart Attack
Avatar Name change wouldn't be needed if the serever lists were merged. That is to say you log in and have the choice of all the NA and EU servers, thus the Avatars on Union are still on Union.
Of course if the merged Union with Freedom, then we'd need to change Avatar names, but I'm guessing that'd be a nightmare and I really can't see them merging the French or German serevers with an english speaking NA one that would be crazy. |
Just kidding . . .
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Honest.
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That would be just about the worst possible server change they could make - possibly tied with making Virtue the open world PvP server |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If they were to merge servers it would probably be Freedom with the French server. Freedom has a rep for being as rude as the French.
Just kidding . . . <.< >.> Honest. |
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It's something that they've probably already considered, but there are some obvious issues:|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
They aren't suggesting merging the servers. What's being suggested is adding the EU servers to the list of NA servers. EU has what 4 servers? added to ours we'd then have 15 servers to choose from.
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(1) The biggest problem is server maintenance, especially when coupled with a new client release. If the EU and US servers were to both be accessible through the same client, the client has to be updated for everybody at once. Unfortunately, that means that maintenance would have to occur at a time that is guaranteed to be inconvenient for at least some countries.
(2) I'm not an expert in this area, but I expect that adapting payment schemes would be a major headache, especially with how the exchange rate of the US dollar vs. the Euro and the British Pound can fluctuate at times. There would almost certainly be people who'd be shopping for whatever is the best payment option at any given moment, cancelling and resubscribing as needed (and thus creating more customer service overhead in the process when something gets messed up in the process), not to mention sorting out how VAT and sales tax need to be assessed in each case (right now, a person from the EU playing on the US servers does not pay VAT, as far as I know -- this would almost certainly have to change).
(3) Population migration may actually create new problems. If a lot of EU players migrate to the high population US servers, won't this depopulate some of the other servers, making their situation worse?
That said, if these issues could be addressed, this would be a very nice thing to have. For the time being, though, I think that the SSK system in I16 should be a more effective improvement to the teaming situation on low population servers that doesn't require major server and network surgery; an overhaul of the LFT system would be the logical next step.
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yes exactly!!!!!
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Originally Posted by forbin_project
they aren't suggesting merging the servers. What's being suggested is adding the eu servers to the list of na servers. Eu has what 4 servers? Added to ours we'd then have 15 servers to choose from.
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What about allowing players to transfer their EU account to a NA one? Just like when the game was released in Europe, they allowed a NA -> EU account transfer for those who wanted to play on an EU server, but this time, it would be EU -> NA.
They already have the tool, they just have to "reverse" the process. Players who want to leave with their 50's/badges/friends/whatever, they can, and for those who want to stay, they obviously can.
I know some people that'd be willing to pay some $ (well, ) for such a thing.
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You over looked the global handle issue |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
They aren't suggesting merging the servers. What's being suggested is adding the EU servers to the list of NA servers. EU has what 4 servers? added to ours we'd then have 15 servers to choose from.
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Remember, there's a separate global system for the EU and US global servers (so 'global' is a bit of a misnomer depending on how you look at it ). Think what happened with the forums... but multiple it by 100... Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the possibility that my global name ends up ending in a region code!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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They could do that (assuming the software can actually still be used as is, which I doubt), but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Rather than "seeding" new servers with additional players as they did when they granted US->EU transfers, they'd be depopulating existing ones.|
Originally Posted by Beber
What about allowing players to transfer their EU account to a NA one? Just like when the game was released in Europe, they allowed a NA -> EU account transfer for those who wanted to play on an EU server, but this time, it would be EU -> NA.
They already have the tool, they just have to "reverse" the process. |
There's also the additional issue that it may not even be a good idea for EU players: US primetime starts at around midnight Central European Time, and before that, even Virtue and Freedom aren't all that full.
Just a note to NA players regarding server maintenanceanceance { } , we have ours in the early hours yes however when you guys have yours, both the MA and the auction house goes down. Thats a HUGE part of the game [still playable yes but it is very meh] to go down in our afternoon so downtime really wouldnt affect us that much different.
Server list merger would be great but then comes the context of what happens to the globals? If you add NA/EU to the end of the globals then how do you send a global tell? /t @damz_EU [whereas my global is @damz]? A free global rename i wouldnt mind at all since i change my ingame names all the time however there are bound to be a few angered people.
[btw if some of us EUers seem short tempered at this subject its because its been mentioned almost on a weekly basis]
So yeah if the process of transition wasnt even noticeable then i cant see a reason why people would complain, just need to find a way that'll affect the least amount of people.
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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Originally Posted by Sorciere
They could do that (assuming the software can actually still be used as is, which I doubt), but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. Rather than "seeding" new servers with additional players as they did when they granted US->EU transfers, they'd be depopulating existing ones.
There's also the additional issue that it may not even be a good idea for EU players: US primetime starts at around midnight Central European Time, and before that, even Virtue and Freedom aren't all that full. |
Regarding the amount of players online, during our peak time freedom still has equal [or maybe even more] than all of our servers combined
@Damz Find me on the global channel Union Chat. One of the best "chat channels" ingame!
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possibly tied with making Virtue the open world PvP server
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I wasn't trying to address the problems involved with the idea. I was trying to clarify what was being asked for. That being an increase in the number of servers the EU players have access too, and not a merging of servers.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
You over looked the global handle issue
Remember, there's a separate global system for the EU and US global servers (so 'global' is a bit of a misnomer depending on how you look at it ). Think what happened with the forums... but multiple it by 100... Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the possibility that my global name ends up ending in a region code! |
And while I'm sure that many EU players would start playing on the NA servers, I'm just as certain many NA players would do the reverse simply because adding 4 more servers would mean 48 new character slots.
As far as the language barrier being a problem, well we have plenty of experience dealing with NA players that were born and raised in english speaking countries that are unable to communicate in simple sentences.
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The biggest problem (according to a Dev, I believe it was Ghost Falcon) is that the EU client differs from the NA client. Ours is modified for example to handle German and French.
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Originally Posted by Sorciere
It's something that they've probably already considered, but there are some obvious issues:
(1) The biggest problem is server maintenance, especially when coupled with a new client release. If the EU and US servers were to both be accessible through the same client, the client has to be updated for everybody at once. Unfortunately, that means that maintenance would have to occur at a time that is guaranteed to be inconvenient for at least some countries. |
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