Goodbye, So Long, Fare Thee Well


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Wow .. That's a much better goodbye than mine but it will probably get zapped. I hope this post doesn't get lost, and you get to read it.

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The game, however, must go. I cannot sit idly by and be sucked into a game when education demands my concentration. I realise I will not be that busy during college, especially the first year, but I am not going to run the risk. I have heard too many horror stories of people trying and failing at college because some other pursuit demanded too much of their time. The game will be gone at least a year. I will not return until a) I'm kicked out, b) I fail miserably at schoolwork and kick myself out, or c) (ideally) I'm adjusted to life in a large University and have loads of idle time.

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You may have been wondering when I'd be soliciting advice... well, this is it. I'm a first generation college student. None of my friends are college graduates (except for the two I've mentioned by name above), none of my family are college graduates, and in general, I am completely and totally alone in my desire to pursue higher education. I know nothing about it - nothing. If anyone, anyone has any tips they wish they'd known, or habits they wish they'd gotten into, or just anything you can think of... please, let me know now.
I hate to say it, but if you truely want to get ahead in this economy, there are a few things that you will need to do, and wish I did. The first is not to get tied down to one location, be willing to move anywhere, and I mean anywhere. This means ditching any women that you may meet or have met if they aren't willing to move with you. No exceptions ... I love my wife dearly, but I would not be in Pennsylvania with a BS in computer science if I did not met her.

Another thing is, look for a job after the second to last year, and before your last year of college. I will always kick myself for not doing that. Get experience, a degree isn't enough. Get summer interns and work for free if you have to (if you can afford it). The more experience you get before you get out of college, the better off you will be. Again, something else I wish I did.

The last thing I would do is stay away from games like the plague. Find a less time consuming hobby that won't take up so much of your study time. If you have time to sit down and play a game, you have time to find a job and work for free (if need be). Don't drive yourself nuts though. Go to parties and hook up with women, but don't stay with any that aren't willing to travel with you. That will help you relieve some pressure from studies. And most of all .....

HAVE FUN! and good luck with your life ...


 

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Unlike high school, in college, no one will make you get up and go to class. This has been the academic downfall of many students. If you don't go to class one day, no one is going to come get you. No one is going to call and see if you're okay. There will be absolutely no repercussions whatsoever. You'll get away with it scott free, because no one really cares if you show up or not. But it's a trap. Once you get away with it once, you'll try again. Then again. Then you'll miss two days. Then you'll tell yourself, "I just need to study for the test, I don't really need to go to class." Trust me on this, missing class is the single greatest reason I've known people to end up college dropouts and flunk-outs than any other, and NONE of them thought it was a big deal at the time. The single greatest factor that will determine whether you are successful is whether you bother to SHOW UP. Do not slack off on this.
This also ... I'll never understand why a person will pay $10,000 a semester just to skip classes? Duh .. your paying for it, you mine as well go to class. I never missed a class, even if I was sick, I still went.


 

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Hey. I recognise how very vain it is to make a goodbye post, but I'm doing so anyway for multiple reasons. Number one is to clarify a few thoughts. Number two is to solicit some advice, where possible. But mostly, I'm doing it since this place constitutes a significant chunk of my life, and certainly means a lot to me.

I started this game back in April '04. It is now August '09. Wow, how time flies when you're having fun. I've seen this game come from its humble beginnings. I've seen it through all its twists and turns, its highs and its lows, its peaks and its valleys, its acclaim and its controversies, its most popular and its least popular. I've seen it change hands from one company to another. I've been with this game longer than a solid chunk of our current developers. I've borne witness to and participated in enough online drama to satisfy me for a lifetime.

I've complained bitterly and heaped praise. I daresay I'm more known for the former rather than the latter. I'd like to say that I'm not demanding.. but I'd be lying. I complain simply because I care. I care because this game is a very good game, despite what you may have concluded based on my countless rants and ravings. It is such a good game that it managed to save me a lot of money on its competition, simply because it's so superior. It has ruined any chance I could have to play another online game, I believe. But regardless, I'd like to say that my complaints at times were exaggerated. I wanted things to change, simply because I recognised potential where I saw it. When I see a good thing, all I want to do is figure out a way to improve it even more. When I figure out a potential path of improvement, I've been known to exaggerate its necessity. For that, I'd like to apologise for any misunderstandings I've created. I do enjoy this game. I don't spend my every waking moment complaining about it and never play it.

I'd also like to apologise to those who I've butted heads with in ages past. Internet drama is totally unnecessary and gives the moderators a headache. To Frostweaver, to Circuit Boy, to TOTALITY (if he's still around), to Philotic Knight (to some extent), and to many others - my sincerest apologies for my stubbornness and intensity.

I'd also like to thank very much the following three individuals in especial: james_joyce, redbone1 (I believe was the handle - I distinctly recall redbone or something to do with -bone) and Arcanaville. Why these three? I don't really know them, not as friends - but whether they know it or not, they have had a profound impact on my life.

I thank james_joyce for his extremely well thought out political views. Contrary to what many may think, occasionally a person's mind can be changed very substantially based on a powerful argument. Because of our rare (and entirely forbidden) debates, I feel my political views have changed only for the better. I feel I have become significantly more informed. My political views are highly unique and are no longer bound by party. Thanks once more.

I thank Redbone due to a long dead, entirely forgotten debate regarding UFOs, the supernatural and generally any other superstitious phenomenon. Back then (a mere ... two years ago?) I was much more gullible and willing to - as the X-Files might say - Believe. Redbone took that Belief and buried me under a mountain of evidence and logic. It was the most brutal humiliation I've ever had and shook me to my core. I never admitted it, but I lost that debate. Rather badly. Consequently, my standard of evidence and proof jumped about a thousand fold. I would not have my current fixation with logic were it not for that debate. Thanks once more.

I thank Arcanaville for two reasons: ( [3x - 3x^2 +1]^744 ) x ( [- 3x + 3x^2 +1]^745 ) *cough* Yeah, you guessed it. One is mathematics. Without her incredible ability to bury the opposition under a load of accurate calculation, my knowledge of mathematics would be significantly more feeble than it is today. As you'll see if you keep reading, mathematics is going to hold a very special place in my heart for the rest of my life, and especially the next four years. The second reason is that Arcanaville has one of the more unique writing styles I've ever seen. It is simultaneously highly professional, technical and concise without losing even an ounce of personality. You can sense the biting satire and dripping sarcasm oozing from the very pixels that constitute her words. However, one thing has always bugged me.. it's. friggin'. intrinsically. not intrinsicly. Just thought you ought to know! Anyway, I feel you've certainly contributed towards my expertise with the written word, although it is still far inferior. Thanks once more.

I'd also like to thank my in-game friends! Though many of those I've considered myself close to (which is to say, interacted with on a personal level) have moved on and severed contact, two have remained: Cybernetic Hobo and Tian. I haven't really gotten to know Hobo as much as I have Tian, but they're both still special. Hell, you spend four years with people, you're going to start enjoying their company. Hopefully I'll keep in touch with the both of you as I move on (though, I'm afraid I'll have to gut you if you don't, Tian - you said you would!).

Which brings me to the final portion of my long, rambling farewell. If I love my game, reach new heights of personal advancement, and greatly enjoy the company of my friends, why am I leaving? Well, as strange as it may be to say..

AC is going to college on August 24th, a mere week from today. I will be going to a small community college in central Texas in order to acquire some credits cheaply (along with a host of other reasons, but that's the main one), and after a year, I'll transfer to one of three universities (UT Austin, UT Arlington or Texas A&M) to complete a degree program focused on Aerospace Engineering. Yup.. AC's going to be a freakin' rocket scientist, if he's smart enough and can hack it.

The game, however, must go. I cannot sit idly by and be sucked into a game when education demands my concentration. I realise I will not be that busy during college, especially the first year, but I am not going to run the risk. I have heard too many horror stories of people trying and failing at college because some other pursuit demanded too much of their time. The game will be gone at least a year. I will not return until a) I'm kicked out, b) I fail miserably at schoolwork and kick myself out, or c) (ideally) I'm adjusted to life in a large University and have loads of idle time.

It's not about just completing the coursework, either. Engineering, especially the subdiscipline I'm entering, is easily one of the most technical occupations known to man (or so I'm told). It will demand all my concentration and intelligence - and that's assuming I have enough to begin with.

You may have been wondering when I'd be soliciting advice... well, this is it. I'm a first generation college student. None of my friends are college graduates (except for the two I've mentioned by name above), none of my family are college graduates, and in general, I am completely and totally alone in my desire to pursue higher education. I know nothing about it - nothing. If anyone, anyone has any tips they wish they'd known, or habits they wish they'd gotten into, or just anything you can think of... please, let me know now.

This last request is why I'm making my farewell post now instead of on the 21st (the eve of my account deactivation). I doubt I'll refrain very much from posting, although my post frequency has dropped significantly as late, so it's not my last post by any means. But I felt like I needed to get it out in the open now.

Anyway... thanks, everyone, for making my time on this game something special. This game would be nothing without its tight-knit community of gamers and developers. You're truly amazing.
Best of luck to you in your future endeavors.

And stop back by and say hi on the free re-activate weekends.


 

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You made the right choice, A_C. You will be missed.


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Goodbye and good luck.

We'll keep your soapbox warm.


 

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Yup.. AC's going to be a freakin' rocket scientist
Good lord, mankind has been doomed!

Seriously though. That is a tough decision to make, but it is necessary. Had I had the willpower to make the decision years ago, I would have had an education much soon than I actually did.

So, kudos to you, and god speed on your endeavor.



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Goodbye AC. The Stalker forums will surely miss you.


 

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I agree with the don't skip class under any circumstance you will regret it.

I'm 20 and I've been taking classes at community college for 2 years. the first 3 trimesters went well then I started to cut Fridays because I worked Thursday night then I started to cut Mondays because I worked Sunday night. Now I'm not even sure if I have the motivation to go back. Sure I got A's and B's but that's a natural gift that I've been ignoring by skipping class.


Don't skip class kids!


 

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Holy crap man, you're 18 and put up the literate arguments I've gotten embroiled in, I thought you were way older. I suspect you'll do great in college!

Good luck to you, come back now and again. Don't blow up the world, mmkay?


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Here's a few of my words of wisdom...

  • Community colleges are such great assets and you're making a great first step by starting out at the community college level. You should take advantage of your community college as much as you can and try your best to get as much of your general education and lower division degree requirements at the community college level. So long as the courses you take are transferable to the 4-year that you want to go to and they fulfill the requirements that you need, the courses you take at the community college are just as good as taking them at the 4-year college, but at a significantly lower cost. The more required coursework you take at the community level, the less financial aid you will have to take out and the more money it'll save you in the long run. If you haven't yet, be sure to talk to a counselor to ensure that the courses that you take at the community college are not only transferable, but can also be applied towards the degree requirements at the 4-year college you want to go to. The more courses you can transfer from the community college, the better.
  • Credit card companies love to come onto campus and lure young college students into filling out an application in exchange for some sort of freebe (like a t-shirt, frisbee, backpack, whatever). So many college students have had their credit records wrecked because of these sorts of practices. It's my understanding that some recent legislation will make it tougher for credit card companies to conduct this sort of business...but in the interim, avoid their booths like the plague. Remember that even filling out an application for credit will show up on your credit report and filling out too many applications can have an adverse affect on your credit report. I'm not saying don't get a credit card, but be careful, do your research and only sign up for a credit card when you're good ready (and not because you're getting a free t-shirt).
  • When you're signing up for classes, keep in mind not only the days/times of the classes, but also where the class is being held. My first quarter after transferring to my 4-year, I made the mistake of signing up for two classes back to back...there was 10 minutes between the classes and it took 15-minutes to get from one to the other (I biked a lot that quarter ). When you're planning your course schedule for the semester/quarter, check to see how far the classes are from one another and allow ample time to get from one to the other. I would say to look at a map, but maps of larger campuses can make things look deceptively close to one another when they're actually pretty far (that's how I got myself into trouble). If you can, drop by campus and walk between the buildings to see how far it actually is.
  • If you find yourself short on cash and need to get a job, consider getting a student job on campus. Since these employers are on-campus and deal with student workers regularly, they're usually pretty flexible about working out a schedule that works with your classes (and changes to your regular class schedule due to exam weeks).
  • Try your best to take electives that are interesting and fun. Also, try incorporating a couple that teach you skill sets that are transferable to other job fields (like some accounting or business classes). You never know where life's journey will take you...there's always the chance that when you start taking the courses for your major, you might not enjoy it or find yourself not well suited for it. Or you may enjoy your major, but find it difficult to find a job in your degree's field after graduating. It's a good idea to have some back-up skills just in case you need to take a job that is outside of your degree field after you graduate. And if you ever find yourself unhappy with your major, never be afraid to re-evaluate whether you actually want to pursue the degree further. It's better to change your major into something you're happy with instead of sticking with something you aren't happy with and being miserable during your coursework. This is coming from someone who entered college as a computer science major, graduated as a history major and have been working as a commercial real estate appraiser ever since graduation.
  • Lastly, ENJOY COLLEGE. I think one of my biggest regrets is not taking the time to enjoy college. Sure it'll be rough at times, but try not to get too caught up in all the work and take a little time to enjoy college life.
Good luck Angry_Citizen! As BABs said, be sure to drop by during reactivation weekends to keep us all posted on how you're doing!


 

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You may have been wondering when I'd be soliciting advice... well, this is it. I'm a first generation college student. If anyone, anyone has any tips they wish they'd known, or habits they wish they'd gotten into, or just anything you can think of... please, let me know now.

I live in Quebec so I didnt go to college, but we have a similar "step" between high school and university.

To complement the advice given until now, I can only add :

Stay away from this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSvrrMVvTI


Best of luck A_C, you'll be back.


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Everything placed above this line is always IMHO, YMMV and quite certainly not to be taken too seriously....

 

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That's some goodbye post... Quite impressive, AC.

Stay "angry", aggressive and determined... but always enjoy it.

Looks like you've gotten some very solid advice about school thus far. (Some of it sounds kind of like planning your build very thoroughly. Plot out your power choices, enhancement slotting and Task Force planning)

Follow it. Find your true self and keep in touch with that.

Stay in the moment.

Do your best and when you fall short of that now and then, do better next time.

Best of luck!


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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"
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Good luck AC!

I don't think we've ever really butted heads on anything, but I always thought your posts were well thought out and reasoned, even if I disagreed with your opinion.

I never once got the "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about" vibe from your posts (though I'm sure it's cropped up in mine from time to time).

I also thought you were older than you are, at least mid-20s. Based on your reasoning ability at a relatively young age you should do well in any technical field.

The only advice I have is: Don't take on more than you can handle at once. Some others have said it, but it's pretty important. You can probably fit 20 classes into a week pretty easily, time-wise, but if you try to cram that much knolwedge into your brain at once you can easily get burned out and find that it's all running together. Set up your schedule in a way that allows your brain to recharge a little between classes. Sometimes you HAVE to take classes that are very close together because that's the only time they are offered, but when possible give yourself at least 45 minutes to an hour between classes so you're not asking your brain to go from calculus to literature within a few minutes. You'll find that if you switch from one subject to another too fast you won't retain the information from the first class as well. Give yourself time to digest what you just learned.

Heh, all this is coming from a high-school dropout. Ironic, innit?

Anyway, good luck with your college studies, and try not to aim any rockets at western Iowa, I'd appreciate it


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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

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Best of luck. We will all miss you.

Well...possably not "We" but I did enjoy your contributions to the forum


I'll keep a slice of pie in the fridge for you.


 

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Best of luck, A_C. It was entertaining to read your occasional ranting in VU2009. Thanks again for the helpful guides you've posted. I underscore the "Do not skip classes!" bit a lot, but I also advise that you be forgiving with yourself too. If you miss class one day or maybe a couple of days, it is not the end of the world. You just need to make sure you go back. Don't let it weigh on you to the point where you feel like "I've missed one, **** it, I've screwed up, I lost my chance" and not go back at all. Perfectionist, black-and-white thinking like that can really screw you over, and I speak from experience. As in all things, balance is needed.

Also I'd advise not getting really ******* wasted every night either, though I'm sure some people may argue with me But I saw too many people in my dorm get hauled away in stretchers for drinking too much. I wish you the best of luck in pursuing your higher education.


 

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(I'll respond to the rest of the thread tomorrow, but I got this particular snippet pointed out to me so I figured I'd answer before I went to bed)



I'm really that young. I'm eighteen.
You always seemed a lot older for some reason in your posts.

Odd that.

Edit - oops, forgot the good luck wishes. The forum is less interesting as time passes, and this only makes it worse.


 

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Take care and thanks for the Stalker changes.
Remember to keep some time to yourself so you maintain your sanity.


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Best of luck in college A_C , and kudos on being the 1st generation , it's not easy starting from scratch.


 

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Holy crap man, you're 18 and put up the literate arguments I've gotten embroiled in, I thought you were way older. I suspect you'll do great in college!

Good luck to you, come back now and again. Don't blow up the world, mmkay?
This.


 

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Golden_Girl:

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I think GR might tempt you back - even if it's just for a reactivation weekend
Likely. You've no idea how incredibly mad I am that GR and I16 are being released not long after my departure.

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Granted this is coming from someone who has only taken art classes in college but... make sure you dont take on too large a load. Start off a little slow if you can until you get used to things otherwise you will have problems. Take it a little easy and dont let yourself get too stressed out and you should do fine.
That's good advice. I think I'm going to have to throw myself into the fire to an extent to see exactly how much is too much. Like I said, college is a mystery. When I envision my future classes, it runs something like this:

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And then it's over. But, I think I'm taking it easy. Five classes per week, doesn't seem like too much.

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Wow AC.
I'm definitely going to miss you on these boards.

Wherever you go, whatever you do, never forget that you helped bring about a change.While getting Stalkers buffed may not seem like much, it was bringing about a necessary change to something that resists change. That is an accomplishment worthy of remembering and being proud of.

As for advice,well you're already doing the smart thing by eliminating a big distraction. Remember to pace yourself. Try to avoid overloading on classes if you can and always do your best and give things your all.
Thanks for the thoughts!

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My advice is... find out what you're good at and do that. When I went to college, I knew what field I wanted to pursue... and I wasn't really good at that. I got a BS in it eventually, but it wasn't easy. I realized I was really good at a different but related subject, and got my MS in that easily.

Don't be in a big hurry. The aerospace industry is cutting back these days like most everyone else. In several years, things will probably be improving. Keep your eyes open for solid companies looking for new recruits. Aerospace can be a very volatile occupation, and people can have a tendency to jump from company to company a lot. Still, the big companies do try to find new things for employees to do when projects change.

Good luck and have fun!
That's good advice. I can't say exactly what I'm good at yet. I suppose I'll see, one way or another.

I'm terrified of those aerospace cutbacks you mentioned. However, as I'm looking into the astronautics portion of Aerospace Engineering more than the aeronautics, I'm hoping to avoid the worst of it. Companies like SpaceX should be expanding in four years, and I'd love to fill the void.

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Thanks Angry as the grognards pass I am one step closer to being the "old man" in the game. Ultimately I plan to be the last guy out the room when they shut off the lights!
Good luck with that ^_^

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I'll play the evil angel on the shoulder. As an aerospace engineer who played CoH all through college I assure you it can be done. CoH was my destresser late at night. However, you know how good you are at time management, and whether or not you can juggle both, but I thought I would let you know it's possible, the two aren't mutually exclusive

I wish you the best of luck and hope you enjoy aerospace engineering, I know I did (although I discovered controls was really my passion and am now working as an electrical engineer).
Interesting to hear the perspective of a (future) colleague! I'm certainly considering the possibility of a return in University, but like any recovering junkie, I'm not going to go willy-nilly on it.

If you don't mind my asking.. were you able to transfer a significant amount of your Aerospace credits towards the later degree in Electrical, or were the credits mutually exclusive to each degree? If I were to branch out into another subdiscipline after/during the Aerospace degree, it would be Electrical or Mechanical.

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I have no advice for you. I'm a two time college drop-out (school, of any kind, does not mix well with fear of people).

But wanted to say that I believe in you. I believe in your tenacity, intellect and ability to succeed in this. You are smart enough, and you can hack it.
My sincerest thanks for the kind words.

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From what I have read, you are smart enough to do well in anything you take on. School and CoH can be done at the same time. Come back soon.

//Jack
To you as well.

TonyV

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Good luck, and here's my advice for college.

By far, the most important thing you will need to do is to have a plan for getting out. Before you ever set foot on campus, sit down for a long session with your student handbook, the one that shows all the requirements for you to get a degree. Taking classes hoping that it all comes together in the end is a recipe for disaster, and you will 1) spend a lot of money you don't have to, 2) waste a lot of time, and 3) run the risk of getting extremely discouraged when you figure out that some of those classes you took don't count for anything, and you just missed the one class you need to graduate that's only taught once a year.

Make a detailed list of exactly what you're going to take. List each course, along with all of its prerequisites, and ensure that it lines up with what is required to graduate. Once you're done, make an appointment with your counselor and take your list to him. Make sure he's on board with your plan, and that there aren't any "gotchas" that you'll run into along the way.

Stay focused on the plan. When I was in college, my dean wanted all of his students to take a seminar that wasn't required to graduate. I declined. I found out way too late that he liked doing that, dragging out his students' graduation dates under the misguided assumption that everyone was there to eventually go into some academic profession.

If something comes along that varies your plan, such as having to drop a class for whatever reason (it happens to the best of us), the university stops offering a class, the requirements for you to graduate change (which you should strongly protest), you change your major, or god forbid you fail something (it's also been known to happen to the best of us), sit down again and come up with a new plan for going forward. Go to your counselor, and then set your sights on the new target. I'm serious, don't let up on that.

After every semester (or quarter, if your school is still on that system), write down the grade you got in each class and check them off the list of requirements to graduate. There's nothing quite like the feeling as seeing your progress represented on a sheet of paper filling up with stuff with lines through it.

As for day-to-day stuff...

Make an effort to meet each and every single professor you have. They all have office hours, make sure you go by at least once or twice a semester. Even if you understand what's going on, if you have to, make up a question you already know the answer to. This does two valuable things. 1) Most professors have a harder time giving you a bad grade if they know you, even a little bit, personally. 2) This is a clear signal to your professor that you are trying. Believe me, that has been the difference between several A's and B's that I've gotten or would have. Don't be afraid of being a "teacher's pet." In college, there's no such thing.

Unlike high school, in college, no one will make you get up and go to class. This has been the academic downfall of many students. If you don't go to class one day, no one is going to come get you. No one is going to call and see if you're okay. There will be absolutely no repercussions whatsoever. You'll get away with it scott free, because no one really cares if you show up or not. But it's a trap. Once you get away with it once, you'll try again. Then again. Then you'll miss two days. Then you'll tell yourself, "I just need to study for the test, I don't really need to go to class." Trust me on this, missing class is the single greatest reason I've known people to end up college dropouts and flunk-outs than any other, and NONE of them thought it was a big deal at the time. The single greatest factor that will determine whether you are successful is whether you bother to SHOW UP. Do not slack off on this.

Last, but not least, keep in mind that the end goal is to get out. Unless you're going to go for a PhD or you want to eventually get into an Ivy League school, there is absolutely no reason for you to feel like you have to get all A's. There's an old joke that goes like this: "What do you call the guy who graduates from medical school at the bottom of the class? Doctor." Another anecdote. A good friend of mine in college got straight A's. (He was going for his PhD, and with scholarships, he was actually making money by going to school.) I said something to him once about how he must get perfect scores on all of his tests. He told me that he doesn't; he studies just hard enough to get a 90% (for the A), and then stops. His philosophy was that anything over 90% was a waste of effort. If you're not going for a PhD or planning on applying to an Ivy League school, shoot for a mid-B average. Yeah, you'll get some C's, hopefully with some A's in the mix, but I guarantee you that in ten years after you finish, all that will matter is that you got the diploma, and no one will ever ask you what your GPA was.

So there you go, TonyV's college advice. Follow it, and hopefully you'll make it through without too much trouble and without it swallowing up your life and burning you out. I wish that someone had told me that stuff when I started.
Whoa! Mountain of advice! Thanks immensely I saved this. I never would have thought of anything in here, and when I think about it, I can easily see the value in following your advice.

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One of the best reasons I've ever seen that one hangs up the game. Good on you, AC, and good luck on being a rocket scientist! I also hope that C) is the choice that winds up happening for you, and come on back soon!

/+1 for greatest 'see ya!' post ever in these forums.
Yay, I drew Houtex out of the tech forums! Reminds me that I forgot something in my original post:

Also thanks to Houtex (and his colleagues in the tech forum) for fixing my computer a couple times, and for being one of the most dedicated fans I've ever seen. Most people would charge money for the level of advice you give for free to random strangers. Many thanks!

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This... is huge. Especially when mixed with things like work.

I'd also suggest paying attention to *when,* time-wise, classes are offered. One of the things that bit me in my first attempt was an evil multi-hour gap between my second-last and last class (which happened to be calculus or pre-calc - it's been ... er, well, longer than you've been alive. >.<) It also happened to coincide with rush hour, and I lived well off campus - it made it easy to miss. And then start putting off.

It certainly didn't help things. And TBH I wasn't *ready* for college, attitude-wise, right then - if I'd gone with a plan similar to yours, I think I'd have been much better prepared.

In any case, A_C, good luck.
Thanks for the kind words and advice. I had a bit of a snafu when it came to class scheduling, but it worked out in the end, I think. I live thirty-five minutes from the community college, so I can't just go home and come back within a few minutes. One thing I'm looking forward to in University is living on campus. That is currently impossible in the community college.

And I don't think I'll have an issue with going to class. If I'm going to give up City of freakin' Heroes in order to concentrate on class, then they'll have to tie me up in a sack to stop me from attending daily.

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Wow... Judging by your vocabulary and the age at which I perceived you to be, you will do fine in college.

The best advice I can give? Figure out how you learn the best and try your damnedest to tailor things to that style. For instance, I learn best via lecture and note-taking... so I tried to take professors who were good at lecture and were known for passing out topic outlines... it served me well.
Thanks for the kind words and advice. I learn best by real world examples. Imagine that can be hard to come by in a college environment, so I'll likely take the time to do my own research on practical applications for abstract theory.

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I hate to say it, but if you truely want to get ahead in this economy, there are a few things that you will need to do, and wish I did. The first is not to get tied down to one location, be willing to move anywhere, and I mean anywhere. This means ditching any women that you may meet or have met if they aren't willing to move with you. No exceptions ... I love my wife dearly, but I would not be in Pennsylvania with a BS in computer science if I did not met her.

Another thing is, look for a job after the second to last year, and before your last year of college. I will always kick myself for not doing that. Get experience, a degree isn't enough. Get summer interns and work for free if you have to (if you can afford it). The more experience you get before you get out of college, the better off you will be. Again, something else I wish I did.

The last thing I would do is stay away from games like the plague. Find a less time consuming hobby that won't take up so much of your study time. If you have time to sit down and play a game, you have time to find a job and work for free (if need be). Don't drive yourself nuts though. Go to parties and hook up with women, but don't stay with any that aren't willing to travel with you. That will help you relieve some pressure from studies. And most of all .....

HAVE FUN! and good luck with your life ...
Thanks for the kind words and advice. I mentioned SpaceX earlier, because that is the company I would very much like to work for. Unless I'm mistaken, that would likely require a move to Los Angeles, California - a place I'd love to work in. However, I think I'll be happy with any place outside of Texas. I can't stand this heat any more. It's toooooo hotttttt.

That isn't to say I'd be a bum in another state rather than be successful in Texas, but Texas would be the option of last resort.

I'll try to remember the advice regarding the opposite sex. I imagine that decision would be very tough to make. But, I'm committed.

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Best of luck to you in your future endeavors.

And stop back by and say hi on the free re-activate weekends.
Whoa! I snagged a redname. Awwwwesome. Thanks lots for the kind words, BAB - I do believe I will stop by on free weekends when possible! Of course, I'll probably be absent on the very next free weekend, simply because I'll be far too busy playing around with power customisation than actually playing or conversing.

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Good lord, mankind has been doomed!

Seriously though. That is a tough decision to make, but it is necessary. Had I had the willpower to make the decision years ago, I would have had an education much soon than I actually did.

So, kudos to you, and god speed on your endeavor.
Thanks for the kind words, and when I create a real space-based superweapon of earth-shattering power, I'll be sure to think of your doom prediction!

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I agree with the don't skip class under any circumstance you will regret it.

I'm 20 and I've been taking classes at community college for 2 years. the first 3 trimesters went well then I started to cut Fridays because I worked Thursday night then I started to cut Mondays because I worked Sunday night. Now I'm not even sure if I have the motivation to go back. Sure I got A's and B's but that's a natural gift that I've been ignoring by skipping class.


Don't skip class kids!
No skipping class! Bad! *smack*

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Holy crap man, you're 18 and put up the literate arguments I've gotten embroiled in, I thought you were way older. I suspect you'll do great in college!

Good luck to you, come back now and again. Don't blow up the world, mmkay?
Can I blow up another world? Say, Venus or something? And thanks for the kind words.

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Here's a few of my words of wisdom...

* Community colleges are such great assets and you're making a great first step by starting out at the community college level. You should take advantage of your community college as much as you can and try your best to get as much of your general education and lower division degree requirements at the community college level. So long as the courses you take are transferable to the 4-year that you want to go to and they fulfill the requirements that you need, the courses you take at the community college are just as good as taking them at the 4-year college, but at a significantly lower cost. The more required coursework you take at the community level, the less financial aid you will have to take out and the more money it'll save you in the long run. If you haven't yet, be sure to talk to a counselor to ensure that the courses that you take at the community college are not only transferable, but can also be applied towards the degree requirements at the 4-year college you want to go to. The more courses you can transfer from the community college, the better.

* Credit card companies love to come onto campus and lure young college students into filling out an application in exchange for some sort of freebe (like a t-shirt, frisbee, backpack, whatever). So many college students have had their credit records wrecked because of these sorts of practices. It's my understanding that some recent legislation will make it tougher for credit card companies to conduct this sort of business...but in the interim, avoid their booths like the plague. Remember that even filling out an application for credit will show up on your credit report and filling out too many applications can have an adverse affect on your credit report. I'm not saying don't get a credit card, but be careful, do your research and only sign up for a credit card when you're good ready (and not because you're getting a free t-shirt).

* When you're signing up for classes, keep in mind not only the days/times of the classes, but also where the class is being held. My first quarter after transferring to my 4-year, I made the mistake of signing up for two classes back to back...there was 10 minutes between the classes and it took 15-minutes to get from one to the other (I biked a lot that quarter ). When you're planning your course schedule for the semester/quarter, check to see how far the classes are from one another and allow ample time to get from one to the other. I would say to look at a map, but maps of larger campuses can make things look deceptively close to one another when they're actually pretty far (that's how I got myself into trouble). If you can, drop by campus and walk between the buildings to see how far it actually is.

* If you find yourself short on cash and need to get a job, consider getting a student job on campus. Since these employers are on-campus and deal with student workers regularly, they're usually pretty flexible about working out a schedule that works with your classes (and changes to your regular class schedule due to exam weeks).

* Try your best to take electives that are interesting and fun. Also, try incorporating a couple that teach you skill sets that are transferable to other job fields (like some accounting or business classes). You never know where life's journey will take you...there's always the chance that when you start taking the courses for your major, you might not enjoy it or find yourself not well suited for it. Or you may enjoy your major, but find it difficult to find a job in your degree's field after graduating. It's a good idea to have some back-up skills just in case you need to take a job that is outside of your degree field after you graduate. And if you ever find yourself unhappy with your major, never be afraid to re-evaluate whether you actually want to pursue the degree further. It's better to change your major into something you're happy with instead of sticking with something you aren't happy with and being miserable during your coursework. This is coming from someone who entered college as a computer science major, graduated as a history major and have been working as a commercial real estate appraiser ever since graduation.

* Lastly, ENJOY COLLEGE. I think one of my biggest regrets is not taking the time to enjoy college. Sure it'll be rough at times, but try not to get too caught up in all the work and take a little time to enjoy college life.

Good luck Angry_Citizen! As BABs said, be sure to drop by during reactivation weekends to keep us all posted on how you're doing!
Thanks for your kind words and advice.

The first paragraph of advice, I certainly agree with. Here in Texas, all Bachelor degrees require a certain core cirriculum consisting of English, History, Government (Politics), Mathematics, Science, and assorted other classes. That is the portion of my degree plan I will attempt to complete at the community college. It is 100% transferrable to the Universities under state law, so nothing can possibly affect the transfer, and consequently there can be no waste. Anything afterwards is something I'll have to see about as I go along.

The credit cards I hadn't even considered. That's very good advice. I doubt I'd fall for a t-shirt, but I probably would've signed up for one anyway. This warning, however, has made me reconsider.

I wish I'd read the third part of your advice a month ago... I think I'm fine, as my classes are located in three adjacent buildings, but in a university I doubt I would've had the foresight to consider this possibility.

I'd love to work on campus, and have given thought towards it. However, due to the commute, I think that'll have to wait until university.

That's interesting advice. I'll look into that.

And yes, fun is certainly to be had It'll likely have to wait until University, but I suspect I can have some fun at the community college too.

Thanks lots for your extensive advice and kind words.

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I live in Quebec so I didnt go to college, but we have a similar "step" between high school and university.

To complement the advice given until now, I can only add :

Stay away from this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSvrrMVvTI


Best of luck A_C, you'll be back.
haha. Yeah. I have a hearing disability, which, while not to the point where people have to shout at me, makes large social gatherings extremely difficult for me (I seem to have issues filtering background noise). I'm not a party animal, and likely never will be.

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That's some goodbye post... Quite impressive, AC.

Stay "angry", aggressive and determined... but always enjoy it.

Looks like you've gotten some very solid advice about school thus far. (Some of it sounds kind of like planning your build very thoroughly. Plot out your power choices, enhancement slotting and Task Force planning)

Follow it. Find your true self and keep in touch with that.

Stay in the moment.

Do your best and when you fall short of that now and then, do better next time.

Best of luck!
Thanks for the kind words, and I literally lol'd at your comparison to build creation. If college is as easy as build creation, MIT will beg me to complete a Ph.D program with them

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Good luck AC!

I don't think we've ever really butted heads on anything, but I always thought your posts were well thought out and reasoned, even if I disagreed with your opinion.

I never once got the "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about" vibe from your posts (though I'm sure it's cropped up in mine from time to time).

I also thought you were older than you are, at least mid-20s. Based on your reasoning ability at a relatively young age you should do well in any technical field.

The only advice I have is: Don't take on more than you can handle at once. Some others have said it, but it's pretty important. You can probably fit 20 classes into a week pretty easily, time-wise, but if you try to cram that much knolwedge into your brain at once you can easily get burned out and find that it's all running together. Set up your schedule in a way that allows your brain to recharge a little between classes. Sometimes you HAVE to take classes that are very close together because that's the only time they are offered, but when possible give yourself at least 45 minutes to an hour between classes so you're not asking your brain to go from calculus to literature within a few minutes. You'll find that if you switch from one subject to another too fast you won't retain the information from the first class as well. Give yourself time to digest what you just learned.

Heh, all this is coming from a high-school dropout. Ironic, innit?

Anyway, good luck with your college studies, and try not to aim any rockets at western Iowa, I'd appreciate it
Thanks for the kind words and advice. I'm only taking five classes right now. Due to the commute, I had to put them back-to-back on Mondays and Wednesdays in order to save gas. I understand it'll be quite the switch going from one class to another, but hopefully I'll be able to plan things out more satisfactorily in University.

I'll try to avoid aiming rockets at western Iowa, but a gyroscope might suddenly slip a little...

And hey, you're one-up on me. I never completed the 6th grade.

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Best of luck, A_C. It was entertaining to read your occasional ranting in VU2009. Thanks again for the helpful guides you've posted. I underscore the "Do not skip classes!" bit a lot, but I also advise that you be forgiving with yourself too. If you miss class one day or maybe a couple of days, it is not the end of the world. You just need to make sure you go back. Don't let it weigh on you to the point where you feel like "I've missed one, **** it, I've screwed up, I lost my chance" and not go back at all. Perfectionist, black-and-white thinking like that can really screw you over, and I speak from experience. As in all things, balance is needed.

Also I'd advise not getting really ******* wasted every night either, though I'm sure some people may argue with me But I saw too many people in my dorm get hauled away in stretchers for drinking too much. I wish you the best of luck in pursuing your higher education.
Thanks for the kind words and advice. Like I said, I won't be making any excuses to not go to class. If I don't go, it'll be due to mortal illness or involuntary incapacitance (slight exaggeration, but still). And when I don't go, I won't beat myself up about it.

As for alcohol... well, I've still yet to take a drink. I imagine that'll change, but I don't see myself getting wasted. Still, I'll keep the advice in mind.



And thanks to everyone else so far. I honestly didn't expect the level of support and advice I've gotten (I even snagged a redname.. how cool is that?!) I'd still welcome anything and everything regarding college life, because if one thing has been drilled into my head, it's that advice is always valuable, no matter what it is.


Doom.

Yep.

This is really doom.

 

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The only unique advice I could give you in the future is this:

It's GOOD to be Angry, at the right things, at the right time. Knowing when's the trick.

There are too many people that get angry for little to no reason and end up hurting others.

There are even MORE people that never get angry when they SHOULD.

Don't be apathetic about the world around you, CARE.


That's all I've got, and good luck, not that you'll need it.


 

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You may have been wondering when I'd be soliciting advice... well, this is it. I'm a first generation college student. None of my friends are college graduates (except for the two I've mentioned by name above), none of my family are college graduates, and in general, I am completely and totally alone in my desire to pursue higher education. I know nothing about it - nothing. If anyone, anyone has any tips they wish they'd known, or habits they wish they'd gotten into, or just anything you can think of... please, let me know now.
It seems like you're cutting out the game to remove any sort of temptation of not studying or focusing on your school work. That's a decision that's entirely up to you but in all honesty you can do both if you really wanted to. It just comes down to prioritizing. My first semester of college I failed 2 classes. Not because I was playing Half Life 2 or CoV. It was because they were 8:00 AM classes and I hate waking up early. I also can't get to bed before midnight.. So what's my advice?

If you hate getting up early or suck at it, don't take early classes. Schedule something a little later so you can at least function. Second semester was better for me cause I took 10 AM classes so I was able to get more sleep.

If you're living on campus, don't eat too much of the cafeteria food, even if it's all you can eat. Trust me, you'll thank me in 4 years when you get out of school.

Some of your profs will think that their class is the only class you're taking and will assign a metric *** ton of homework. I'd suggest talking to some other students to see who the good profs are. Keyword here is "good", not the "easy" ones. Unless you don't plan on learning a damn thing, take the easy profs.

Again if you're living on campus, you'll have to learn to live with roommates. If it's your first semester you're going to have to hack it and hope you don't get a roommate that's some sort of doosh. You might get lucky, you might not. I was lucky my first semester and my roommate was super chill.

Living on campus - Get a cheap pair of shower slippers/flip flops. Unless you want athlete's foot, those trips to the community showers can be hazardous to your health.

But the main thing I wanna stress is prioritizing/time management. It wasn't until my 3rd year of college I was able to figure out how to do this effectively. I was taking 16 credits, working part time, practicing martial arts 3 times a week, working out, hanging out with friends, studying/doing homework, and still managed to play 2-3 hours of CoV/Planetside/popular-game-of-the-week several nights out of the week. And I still managed to finish that semester with a 3.5 GPA. Basically what it boils down to is how serious are you gonna take your education. A lot of students I saw were just there cause they were coming out of high school and they didn't wanna just sit at home or their parents forced them to go to school. If you really wanna go somewhere, do it. Take it seriously, but not too seriously. Try to find some time to relax, unwind, have some fun and shake things up so you don't get burned out. You also don't wanna be one of those dudes who ONLY studies. I would definitely recommend trying to make friends. I walked away from college with some of best friends one can make. And I'm happy to say they're gonna be life long friends. I still talk to a lot of them on a weekly basis, even though all of us don't live in the residence halls anymore and most of them live in different parts of the country.

But yeah, that's all the advice a washed up 3 year college drop out can give.


 

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If you don't mind my asking.. were you able to transfer a significant amount of your Aerospace credits towards the later degree in Electrical, or were the credits mutually exclusive to each degree? If I were to branch out into another subdiscipline after/during the Aerospace degree, it would be Electrical or Mechanical.
As far as aerospace and mechanical go, the two tend to go pretty much hand in hand. I actually have a dual degree in mechanical and aerospace engineering. There were enough classes that could fill requirements for both that it was pretty easy to do at my University. The year after I graduated though, my University made doing this much harder.

As far as transferring credits to electircal engineering, that can be quite a bit harder. It depends a lot on what you focus on in aerospace engineering. It's possible to get an aerospace degree that has very little to do with electrical engineering and focuses primarily around issues of aeronautics, propulsion and fuel, material science, etc. Personally I focused more on the controls discipline which is much closer to electrical engineering (and often loathed by mechanical engineers because of this) so there was a lot of overlap. Although I think it would have been difficult for me to change my major to electrical, I was able to take many graduate level electrical engineering courses with mechanical and aerospace background and didn't feel at a loss. I am currently applying to graduate programs in control theory and whether these programs fall under the Mechanical or Electrical departments depends on the University.

The other thing is that most engineering programs these days stress the interdisciplanary nature of engineering, so you are usually required to take engineering courses outside of your specific discipline so you can always apply the aerospace credits towards those requirements.

That was a rather convoluted answer, but Mechanical and Aerospace, easy to go between, Aerospace and Electrical, depends.

Also I wouldn't worry too much about the job market at this point. Although it will likely be hard to get a job doing "rocket science" with some tenacity (which you clearly have) the jobs are still out there to had. That said, in the coming years I expect there to be significant growth in the energy sector and a degree in aerospace engineering with the knowledge of fluid flow and thermodynamics will be invaluable to those companies. There are lots of jobs that aren't explicity aerospace, where the aerospace degree will be valued.


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