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I got kicked for using force bubble

Agonus

By Agonus,
Posted on: 2009-08-02 14:35 in Defenders

 

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
Thing is these type of pro-defender propganda anecdotes happen at least once a week on the defender boards, so you'll have to forgive me for immediately coming off as negative here.
If you dislike the threads so much and end up coming off negative because of them, then why going posting in them? I gave up healer threads a long time ago, and I'm much happier for it.

 

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Well, color me surprised. A thread related to Forcefields, and Turbo Ski shows up and starts pulling silly comments out of her *** without paying any attention to what the thread is actually about, then ignoring everything said in response.

 

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Originally Posted by Fury_Flechette View Post
This is the first time on this board that I've been called a liar.
Relax, Fury. At this point, what's really going on has been obvious to everyone. Turbo_Ski saw the title and fired off a reply without reading the first post, and isn't adult enough to simply say "Sorry, I overreacted, I was wrong". Instead of behaving like an adult, he/she tried to cover by derailing the thread with complaints, accusations and random commentary about how we should all be playing.

Don't let one person's immaturity affect you. It isn't worth it. Save it for grown-up arguments.

 

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First of all I completely agree with the OP. Although I understand that force bubble when used wrongly can be annoying, but the situation in which the OP used it was perfect.
I do find one thing humorous about this though; you actually have a kind of aggro that the tank did not! You have the rare tank aggro ability :P

 

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I wanna add to the thread, but it is so derailed and full of fail at this point that I don't know how to be constructive.

 

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Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
I wanna add to the thread, but it is so derailed and full of fail at this point that I don't know how to be constructive.
I beg to differ. The thread itself is hilarious and I thank Turbo Ski for making the thread deliver far more than it should have with the original OP.

No, I will say I skimmed most of the helpful and logical posts once the flames began because those were bringing me down. >

 

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Originally Posted by Fury_Flechette View Post
This is the first time on this board that I've been called a liar. What's even more galling is that the accuser has no proof that I've lied/embellished/made up or exaggerated. No, his basis for this is simply that I *must* be lying because my story seems to paint a particular tank in bad light. Somehow, even though I was there and experienced it, I'm just making this up and meanwhile my accuser lobs accusation after accusation without a single iota of proof of his own.
You have zero proof that your story is true and it reeks of incredibility and praise-seeking attention.

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What's even funnier is that this same poster freely dispenses advice on how to play the power set in question when it's pretty evidently clear that they've never played force fields. Turbo - what level is your force field defender? Or for that matter, what level is your highest /force field controller or mastermind? I don't comment on cold domination because I've never taken a cold domination character past level 12. I'd have to have some sort of huge hubris to talk about a power set I've never played and in particular make criticism of someone who's actually played that power set into the high levels.
One of my RL friends that I normally play with has 2 FF users at lvl 50, a FF/Psi and a Mind/FF. Because we are so close we regularly switch accounts and play each other's characters to get a broader sense of the game. Philotic would have you believe I hate FF outright, but it's just not I'm not blindly in love with any set to completely ignore it's faults like Philotic is.

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I don't really mind if you don't believe my story or dislike force bubble, but your posts throughout this thread go beyond that. It's a disingenuous sort of character assassination that makes me glad that I don't know you in game or in real life.
I would have kicked you no matter what power it was, you're response was no where near appropriate and you then try to paint it off as not anyway your fault. The tank asks you to stop using force bubble and instead of just calmly saying that it was a one time thing or your position, you go and outright insult the tank. It doesn't matter if what you said about the tank was true or not, you purposely chose to antagonize him instead of explaining your actions. I for one can not condone such behavior and am frankly disappointed that the defender community blindly praises you for it simply because that is their natural reaction when someone disses another AT.

 

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
You have zero proof that your story is true
I'm going to make a safe bet and say they knew what was going on a whole hell of a lot more than you did. You've pissed away any cred you had before and made as asinine of a statement you could possibly make, and since the crack addict can't stay away from the drug, I'll report this thread since it's doing nothing good at this point.

 

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Can't we just love each others like good defenders do?

 

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Originally Posted by _dEOS_ View Post
Can't we just love each others like good defenders do?
Shaddup and buff the tank!


 

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Okay, I'm going to stick up a little for Turbo here, mostly to play devil's advocate. Basically, I found a whole lot of faults in the OP's story, and it wasn't all the tank's. I'm in fact guessing it was more the blasters, and I'm rather wondering what the controller was doing. Since I wasn't there, I can only guess at what might've been going on, but at least from the tank's PoV, it might've looked something like this:

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The team was compromised of my WP/Energy tank (no taunt, because I don't usually need it, no AoEs, cuz Whirling Hands is a pathetic excuse for a power, though I guess as my only choice I should bow down and take it anyway), a bunch of squishies (mostly blasters and 1 controller) and a lone defender (FF/Sonic). We enter a radio mission against Freakshow and the team is doing relatively well, because so far the numbers of spawn were reasonable in size.

Then we get to the one room in the lab map, a well known death trap if the team just wades on in. So I decide to go in first, pull the aggro cap to the door and we'll clear it out in stages. I don't generally like herding, but for this room, and for a PUG, this is the best tactic.

Obviously, it didn't work out since for some reason the Freaks started to scatter and go after the rest of the team once they were in the corridor. I suspect the blasters started dropping their AoEs before I could reestablish aggro through my (weak) aura and punchvoking. I suppose I should've told them ahead of time that RTTC is a very weak aura and if they throw a fireball before I regain aggro, they'll likely get pasted.

Within a few seconds, a couple of the blasters dropped (as expected) and the rest of the team was injured. I'm really wondering what the controller was doing while all of this was happening, because a single pull should be easy enough to lockdown, even at the aggro cap. Well, I'm busy trying to get the Freaks' attention again, hopping in & out and punching (damn, really should've picked up Whirling Hands! Maybe I do need Taunt for crappy teams...) when the FF defender, who's been pretty good about his job so far, does something and sends up a force bubble and traps like the whole group away from me. I've never even seen him use this tactic before so it takes me by surprise! Now, I don't like chatting while fighting so to keep it short, I say:

Me: "Force bubble herding = fail. Stop it!"
FF: "Oh you mean like tankers that can't hold aggro = fail."

Are you freakin' serious? So my tanking is fail now? Man, talk about arrogance! Hey, why not controller fail for not locking stuff down? Why not defender fail for not providing enough defense? How'd those blasters die anyway? Shouldn't their def be capped with you around?

Me: "People should NEVER use knockback on teams."
FF: "They're all in one corner, it's not like they're scattered"

Well, okay, maybe I shouldn't say anything like "NEVER", but wow, that's just annoying. Fine, you're obviously too uber for my failed tanking skills. Go find your own damn team. /kick

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Harsh? Sure. Unreasonable to a fault? Not really. Is that really the way thing went down? Prolly not, but who the hell knows? I'm not accusing the OP for stretching the truth or anything, but the fact is, perception colors the facts quite a bit, and you can't know what was in the mind of the other guy. The only thing I can't justify in that story above is the kick, mostly because I so rarely kick anyone, and never mid-mission, but I hardly think this episode is forum-story worthy.

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
... but it's just not I'm not blindly in love with any set to completely ignore it's faults like Philotic is.
This is officially the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards.

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
You have zero proof that your story is true and it reeks of incredibility and praise-seeking attention.
Orly? because im pretty sure you have zero proof that your accusations are accurate.

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
I would have kicked you no matter what power it was, you're response was no where near appropriate and you then try to paint it off as not anyway your fault. The tank asks you to stop using force bubble and instead of just calmly saying that it was a one time thing or your position, you go and outright insult the tank. It doesn't matter if what you said about the tank was true or not, you purposely chose to antagonize him instead of explaining your actions. I for one can not condone such behavior and am frankly disappointed that the defender community blindly praises you for it simply because that is their natural reaction when someone disses another AT.
again, this is a two way street. could he have said it in a better way? certainly but said tank had an equally snarky comment to begein with. instead of saying "force bubble herding = fail!!!1!!" could he not have said plz turn off force bubble?

also from my skimming over your other posts i saw you talking about gauntlet to help the tanks case?

lol...ahaha...AHAHAHAHAHA...

is that why there are countless threads (most recently the gauntlet 2.0 thread) about how much the current version sucks and should be changed?

srsly turbo **** and GTFO.

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
You have zero proof that your story is true and it reeks of incredibility and praise-seeking attention.
I can't argue this... Fury has no proof.


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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
One of my RL friends that I normally play with has 2 FF users at lvl 50, a FF/Psi and a Mind/FF. Because we are so close we regularly switch accounts and play each other's characters to get a broader sense of the game.
Using your own argument... what proof do YOU have that you've ever played a FF defender?


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I for one can not condone such behavior and am frankly disappointed that the defender community blindly praises you for it simply because that is their natural reaction when someone disses another AT.
At least you haven't over-generalized here, nor have YOU ever dissed another AT.

So, in this scenario, are you the pot or kettle?

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Originally Posted by MurderousMalk View Post
Well a Tank without Taunt is like an Emp Defender without any heals or buffs
Sheer nonsense.

Don't disagree with the general post (saving the team = good thing) but taunt is hardly needed to tank well.

Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit

 

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Originally Posted by Slax_ View Post
Sheer nonsense.

Don't disagree with the general post (saving the team = good thing) but taunt is hardly needed to tank well.
Not generally, but it is much more important on a WP tank without any AOE attacks due to the absolutely horrible taunt aura WP has.

 

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Originally Posted by Turbo_Ski View Post
...and is far too large to be used surgically for repel positioning.
OK...I have been trying to keep quiet but this finally got me.

Have you ever even tried Force Bubble? By your baseless accusations I have to presume you haven't because this statement is so blatantly false that whole herds of kittens in the deep dark jungles of WhaDidUjusSayVille just keeled over in shock.

 

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Originally Posted by Terman8er View Post
OK...I have been trying to keep quiet but this finally got me.

Have you ever even tried Force Bubble? By your baseless accusations I have to presume you haven't because this statement is so blatantly false that whole herds of kittens in the deep dark jungles of WhaDidUjusSayVille just keeled over in shock.
Unless the user heavily restricts where and in what direction enemies are affected by force bubble, the power cannot be used without commonly affecting nearby and otherwise unengaged enemies. The size is simply too massive. I don't think there's a larger AoE power in the game.

Standing back, or restricting use to corners and rooms hardly comes across as surgical repositioning, and more like "I'm the king of this spot right here!"

 

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Originally Posted by Dersk View Post
Unless the user heavily restricts where and in what direction enemies are affected by force bubble, the power cannot be used without commonly affecting nearby and otherwise unengaged enemies. The size is simply too massive. I don't think there's a larger AoE power in the game.

Standing back, or restricting use to corners and rooms hardly comes across as surgical repositioning, and more like "I'm the king of this spot right here!"
Stand in any long hallway, you are now able to "surgically" resctrict the access of mobs to team mates within your FB. It really isnt hard.

Heck, you don't "have" to use it surgically either...on a recent SG only LFTF we had a 'bots/FF MM that was soft capped to range stand in the hallway during the end battle (with the two AV's) right next to the "pulled into the hallway" AV and thus keep all the support Rikti from getting close to the AV.

 

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Originally Posted by Terman8er View Post
Stand in any long hallway, you are now able to "surgically" resctrict the access of mobs to team mates within your FB. It really isnt hard.
I think I just said I don't consider that surgical repositioning. I also never stated or implied it was hard. You seem to be trying to make more of the comment that it actually means.

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Originally Posted by Terman8er View Post
Heck, you don't "have" to use it surgically either
Ok...

 

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Originally Posted by MunkiLord View Post
I wanna add to the thread, but it is so derailed and full of fail at this point that I don't know how to be constructive.
box of legos is a good start

 

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Originally Posted by Slax_ View Post
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It all probably boiled down to the age old 'WAAAAA WAAAAA' of knock back.

Somebody got all wrecked because you dared to do your job and make everyone else look bad with your skill and knowledge.

Let them cry and use the ignore button on them.

KEEPING USING YOUR POWERS to defend!

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