Posi on Abusing Mission Architect
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2wabbits,
Posted on: 2009-05-05 13:14 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Players that have abused the reward system egregiously may lose benefits they have gained - leading up to and perhaps including losing access to the characters power-leveled in this fashion.
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*winces* Hoi boy. Well, at least the boards won't be dull.
Awesome.
I like it.
And anyone who disagrees... go read the EULA. NC can do this.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise 
; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.*
hmm another eg of them doing what they wannt.... the balanced and fair thing is irony at its best and banning toons that have used ma to 50
all i will say is once CO comes (and yes still not greatest fan good bye CoX)
im off to play a fairer nc game GW for now screw CoX
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Yes, I am very happy about this. So sue me.
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hmm another eg of them doing what they wannt.... the balanced and fair thing is irony at its best and banning toons that have used ma to 50
all i will say is once CO comes (and yes still not greatest fan good bye CoX)
im off to play a fairer nc game GW for now screw CoX
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I foresee many of these posts. And with which, many of GG's "See you in an issue or two ".
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these. It might have been."
Wow! He wasn't kidding when he said he'd come down on farmers hard.
I'm quite pleased to note that Posi said that people "may lose benefits they have gained - leading up to and perhaps including losing access to the characters power-leveled in this fashion."
A) It's not quite as harsh as it could be.
B) Losing access to the characters isn't the same as having them deleted (think about it...)
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.* This makes me very happy.
Thelonious Monk
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hmm another eg of them doing what they wannt.... the balanced and fair thing is irony at its best and banning toons that have used ma to 50
all i will say is once CO comes (and yes still not greatest fan good bye CoX)
im off to play a fairer nc game GW for now screw CoX
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I foresee many of these posts. And with which, many of GG's "See you in an issue or two ".
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Does that mean we get to turn the tables on them and go 'Stop whining and being an egocentric blah blah, nobody cares..'? *rubs hands with glee*
Interesting it dose seem they've put some thought into it however its not really a fix is it all there doing is pushing farming back underground again farming wont stop it just wont happen in mission architect.
I find this
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Players that have abused the reward system egregiously may lose benefits they have gained - leading up to and perhaps including losing access to the characters power-leveled in this fashion.
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Interesting and ill be interested in how they go about it in there own words MA gave the ability to go from 1 to 50 doing only MA missions and basically that's what people have been doing they cant even claim that people doing it was unexpected as in his own post posi states
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While we have accomplished some of those goals with the initial launch of Mission Architect, some have found ways to abuse the system we put in place. We are not blind to this happening, nor did we not expect it. However, it is time to take action regarding it, so please be aware that we are about to implement a zero-tolerance stance on the extreme abuse we are seeing in the system.
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bold-ed the relative bit.
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Wow! He wasn't kidding when he said he'd come down on farmers hard.
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Assuming they actually do this. Personally I reckon they'll make a few high profile "demotions" of characters, a lot of Arc Bans and not much else until the Ma Mechanical changes to limit Farming.
Gotta laugh at his "We didn't expect this" line though. Haven't ye been playing the same game as everyone else since i9?
I like it!
Go Positron!
I can see it all now Farmers protesting in Atlas. Blocking the roads with their tractors 
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however its not really a fix is it all there doing is pushing farming back underground again farming wont stop it just wont happen in mission architect.
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Which is how it was. As you say, some people will always try and exploit the system - but now it won't be the entire population of Atlas in one massive PLing farm.
It goes a long way to restoring the balance.
Thelonious Monk
There'll be protests with the cool protestor guy outside Atlas hall..
The developers always said that the MA was for all the story writers out there. It was inevitable that they would come down hard on PLing abuses.
I may think that Posi could do with a little more positivity in his little spin-half lepton self, but this is exactly what MA needs to allow the stories to come to the fore.
Bravo.
Alright, I'm going to stop posting on this now.
But this is awesome.
The wisdom of Shadowe: Ghostraptor: The Shadowe is wise ...; FFM: Shadowe is no longer wise.
; Techbot_Alpha: Also, what Shadowe said. It seems he is still somewhat wise ; Bull Throttle: Shadowe was unwise in this instance...; Rock_Powerfist: in this instance Shadowe is wise.; Techbot_Alpha: Shadowe is very wise *nods*; Zortel: *Quotable line about Shadowe being wise goes here.* Might remove some MA badges from the game? I wonder if he means the star ones and the test defeat ones?
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Don't think anyone can be too surprised at Posi's actions really.
If you like to farm MA missions or even if you don't care 2 figs whether others do, you must know that the way it's been used is not how it was intended to be used.
I know they should have spotted it coming, but perhaps they have more faith in some of us than is deserved.
I guess they gave everyone the chance to show their mettle and some of us didn't quite come up to scratch.
So I can 'lose access to' (how exactly is that different to deleting?) characters I may have used the MA to level up faster with?
So by using their much-vaunted new feature in a fashion they anticipated ('nor did we not expect it') yet did nothing to stop (oooh no prisoners? wow, harsh!) means I can no longer use those characters?
Wow. If that happens it'll be cya CoH and hello World of Warcraft, I've missed your loveliness.
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So I can 'lose access to' (how exactly is that different to deleting?) characters I may have used the MA to level up faster with?
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I was thinking maybe the avatar would be "suspended" for the length of time it'd take to normally reach 50 - they can probably work that out studying the pre-MA normal 50s
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
with certain new games being less than 8 weeks away although i agree with what they are doing, i'm also a little surprised tbh.
right or wrong i have not seen the servers this busy for a very long time
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im off to play a fairer nc game GW for now screw CoX
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I wouldn't say 1-50 in 6 hours is really fair to be honest.
MA was like a broken cash machine that keeps paying out money and although people know it's wrong and it's not their money they still come along with wheelbarrows to fill their mattreses with the loot.
Well, it's interesting to see how (and if) they would implement PL ban... That said it's good to see that measures are taken, and new arc banning policy is good, although I'm a bit confused on how that "you can't unpublish, but CS can" thing would work.
And I'm VERY interested in how all the new players would react. <grabs popcorn>
So...punishing the players for their mistake of not thinking the MA through well enough before release?
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When we created Mission Architect, the goal was to have an outlet for players to craft cool stories, using our assets, that other players could play and participate in. Other players could rate those stories and the best-of-the best would rise to the top.
While we have accomplished some of those goals with the initial launch of Mission Architect, some have found ways to abuse the system we put in place. We are not blind to this happening, nor did we not expect it. However, it is time to take action regarding it, so please be aware that we are about to implement a zero-tolerance stance on the extreme abuse we are seeing in the system.
One thing was made clear to me when I interacted with the players on our Anniversary. It was that you guys really don't like the powerlevelling that is going on with MA. The constant spam of MA PL teams forming, requests for "Meow" missions, 5 star badge cartels, and the inability to find quality content in the Mission Architect listing are all things I heard complaints about over and over while I was logged in on Tuesday.
So here is a list of things that are going to happen:
Players that have abused the reward system egregiously may lose benefits they have gained - leading up to and perhaps including losing access to the characters power-leveled in this fashion.
Currently, some badges are being modified, and some may be removed from the game entirely. The list of changes being made to the MA badge system is not final yet, but you will be made aware when we have a concrete plan.
Players who knowingly use an exploit when creating an arc, run the risk of having access to MA suspended, or worse- depending on the severity of the action, their account banned.
Players who have a story arc banned for any reason, will have it continue to use up one of their publishing slots. Players will NOT be able to unpublish this slot without Customer Service's help. This sets up a "three strikes and you're out" policy. If an individual gets three story arcs banned, they will no longer be able to publish since their slots will all be used up with banned arcs.
This lock will not take place on the first level of "complaint banning", where an arc has received a larger number of complaints. Players will still have a chance to fix the arc.
If Customer Service looks at an arc and determines it was banned in error, they will mark it as "unbannable". At that point the arc can not be banned for any reason. The unbannable flag will reset if the player makes any changes to the arc at that point, and the arc can be banned again.
Remember, publishing slots are account wide, so players will not be able to log in another character on their account and use their slots instead.
Players are urged to avoid using common farming terms in their story title and/or descriptions. Even if it's a joke, DO NOT run the risk of having an arc banned and requiring Customer Support to grant you your publishing slot back.
Some of you have taken the stance of "how does powerlevelling hurt the game?" and "shouldn't I be able to play the game the way that I want?" What we want to make clear is in order to keep the game fair, balanced, and challenging, we have to maintain a risk:reward ratio. This is a ratio we've spent years attempting to achieve. Mission Architect is not immune to this, and we are taking swift action to see that the problems
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