NCsoft Brighton more trouble?
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Posted on: 2009-02-11 11:33 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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That is the biggest bunch of crock i have heard today
The banks caused the credit crunch by being overly greedy THAT IS TRUE
the media just make really bad things look even worse. the media's job is DOOMtm
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Much as it will probably get lost it the overall postiness of this emovtive theme and thread for those of us who have had CoX providerelaxation time and enjoyment over the years, just wanted to add my best wishes to GR/Alex - I hope your VR payment is a damn good one and give Kerensky a nudge - see if he can get you in anywehere decent where some of us can bump into you again!!!
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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Another classic.
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but in my job its something I have to do a lot.
The media is resonsible for talking up the DOOOM and destroying confidence..
The banks are responsible for gambling with other people's money
the government is responsible of failing to properly regualate the banks.
People are responsible for electing the government/borrowing beyond thier means/believing the media.
I really should do something about this signature.
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All the best for you and your colleagues. May your future be brighter.
On a personal note, I'm getting sick of having to say goodbye to people I like: first was Bridger, then Kerensky and Rockjaw and now Ghostraptor. Either NCNC stops swinging their axe or I stop caring... 
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To be fair, Bridger went because of choice.
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To be even fairer, NCNC had nothing to do with this.
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That is the biggest bunch of crock i have heard today
The banks caused the credit crunch by being overly greedy THAT IS TRUE
the media just make really bad things look even worse. the media's job is DOOMtm
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^^^ This
The most insulting thing about the banks is that theyr giving themselves bonuses of millions? This is AFTER theyv borrowed the taxpayers money. Yet if you go 10p over your overdraft limit theyr straight onto the phone for you . . . .
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the truth of the matter is u wont see the full nature of i13's demise until the q1 fy 2009 is realease as i13 was only realeased on the 2nd of dec
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The truth of the matter is that Issue 13 had a sustained positive effect on server populations and subs.
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it may have done alex but the fact remains a lot of ppl are unhappy with everything that went on before and after it (and also new issues espically after a 9mnth wait will always bring in more ppl)
What happened in the weeks leading upto i13 was absolutely absurd and inexcusable on soo many lvls please explain y that was even allowed to happen and also explain why it had such a notoriously bad effect on the older subscribers
Just have to add Alex this is not a dig at you, its a dig at the whole thing in general (I do appolgise if it sounded like a personal attack)
edited for political reasons :P
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See some of you guys/gals in other/new MMOs Soon(tm)
N.B. If you are going to do smt, please do it or GTFO and STFU nab
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Locking this thread until we get a redname response on the situation
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An optimistic mockmod aren't you? Surely the boards get closed before a redname responds.
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If they do say that then they'll lose more players than if they put time/effort into doing some sort of transfer imo.
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As has been noted many times, this wasn't the result of a plan scribbled on the back of a [censored] packet after one-too-many tequillas on Monday night. If they are going to put time/effort into a plan then they should have done it already.
Whilst they may still (superficially at least) be looking at their staff I'd be surprised if the positions/locations that are in flux will have any great impact on what they have planned for the players. i.e. if they've decided that they're going to transfer us then they'll transfer us whether some staff from Brighton relocate to the US or not.
Given that they've planned this reorganisation in advance, they must have also planned for what they are going to do with us. It doesn't matter where it falls on the scale from no change to we just don't care - go away ex-customers - they'll have planned it. As such, they should have been able to give (at least preliminery) information to us PDQ.
Given that they've been silent and letting the bad-feelings/thoughts prosper it seems pretty clear that NC doesn't really give a hoot about us - which doen't bode well.
BTW - do you think that they'd hold off telling us relatively good news?
EDIT: Damn board censorship filter - can't it understand that a [censored] packet is what cigarettes come in!!!
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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This.
The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but I'n my job it's something I have to do a lot.
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Oversimplification? 
You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.
It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.
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Locking this thread until we get a redname response on the situation
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An optimistic mockmod aren't you? Surely the boards get closed before a redname responds.
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If they do say that then they'll lose more players than if they put time/effort into doing some sort of transfer imo.
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As has been noted many times, this wasn't the result of a plan scribbled on the back of a [censored] packet after one-too-many tequillas on Monday night. If they are going to put time/effort into a plan then they should have done it already.
Whilst they may still (superficially at least) be looking at their staff I'd be surprised if the positions/locations that are in flux will have any great impact on what they have planned for the players. i.e. if they've decided that they're going to transfer us then they'll transfer us whether some staff from Brighton relocate to the US or not.
Given that they've planned this reorganisation in advance, they must have also planned for what they are going to do with us. It doesn't matter where it falls on the scale from no change to we just don't care - go away ex-customers - they'll have planned it. As such, they should have been able to give (at least preliminery) information to us PDQ.
Given that they've been silent and letting the bad-feelings/thoughts prosper it seems pretty clear that NC doesn't really give a hoot about us - which doen't bode well.
BTW - do you think that they'd hold off telling us relatively good news?
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Its been a long time since this company gave a flying [censored] about the EU part of CoX, all this silence is doing is carrying on what they always do when something isnt going well.
They stop talking about it.
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the truth of the matter is u wont see the full nature of i13's demise until the q1 fy 2009 is realease as i13 was only realeased on the 2nd of dec
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The truth of the matter is that Issue 13 had a sustained positive effect on server populations and subs.
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it may have done alex but the fact remains a lot of ppl are unhappy with everything that went on before and after it (and also new issues espically after a 9mnth wait will always bring in more ppl)
What happened in the weeks leading upto i13 was absolutely absurd and inexcusable on soo many lvls please explain y that was even allowed to happen and also explain why it had such a notoriously bad effect on the older subscribers
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i think you need to speak for yourself. I have been playing for quite a while and the only thing that really bugged (forgive the pun) me about i13 is the nose dive the game took in stability. Never known so many crashes and bugs to appear in one issue. Except maybe i7.
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
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the truth of the matter is u wont see the full nature of i13's demise until the q1 fy 2009 is realease as i13 was only realeased on the 2nd of dec
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The truth of the matter is that Issue 13 had a sustained positive effect on server populations and subs.
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As i said i am seeing more new players or returning players in Union these days.
Can we say same about i14? I don't think so especially on New Player point of view. People don't get into games to build mods for a game they know nothing about. At least that is my idea.
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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This.
The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but I'n my job it's something I have to do a lot.
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Oversimplification? You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.
It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.
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Who actually didnt deserve the hard time they got.
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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This.
The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but I'n my job it's something I have to do a lot.
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Oversimplification? You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.
It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.
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aha! now we get to the bottom of it. is this inside information?
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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Media did not cause the credit crunch. That was all banks. But I can't help feeling that the over exposure of the gloomy economic news over the past 12 months helped create the lack of confidence among both consumers and investors.
It really has been a self fulfilling prophecy, we've talked ourselves into recession.
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True - but I would have thought that they would be if they weren't going down the tubes.
Seriously: Are you reading the signs and portents as pointing to NCSoft going down the tubes?
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I don't like to talk things down, as it tends to make them worse, but in this case, yes.
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Whoaaa.
Things going from downsizing EU division to NCSoft going belly up? Isn't that a bit to premature?
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By looking at the past events of last year, it is an option to be 'reconized' as possible. As US/Europe are a real minority of sales (specialy for 2009), the huge money sink called TR being dev'ed in US, the fail of CoH (again US product) in Asia, Auto Asault, in a nutshell, everything NC(US) had made is, was or will be 'end of life' (GW is dying, period).
So what does NCWest do? A.net still does GW2, other then that they merely 'maintain' the non-asia side of the games. CoH is done by US, but how long will it take to gain back the purchase of AI of CoH before they even hit break-even? (afaik no numbers of purchase are known). LA1/2, Aion, Soul&blade are all done by NCasia, they could also just sell the 'rights' to any other publisher in US/Europe (like ESTsoft does with Cabal online, or basicly any f2p game for that mather). You create a fail-save, if a game fails in a region only the publisher gets hit, the developer will still get their royalties from the publisher, unlike now sharing the cost of failure, closedown or possible merges.
Short, what does NCwest/Europe/NorCal contribute to NCasia? Problems, failed games and region issues. So maybe they are better off with only their Asia region.
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aha! now we get to the bottom of it. is this inside information?
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I am inside, if thats what you mean... I could go outside, but it's cold.
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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This.
The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but I'n my job it's something I have to do a lot.
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Oversimplification? You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.
It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.
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It's a good analogy. The people calling for server mergers didn't cause the problem, but they certainly made it worse/happen sooner (as we predicted at the time).
I really should do something about this signature.
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Oversimplification? You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.
It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.
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Who actually didnt deserve the hard time they got.
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Depends on how you look at it. Sure, the first few were probably fair enough, but when there are 4 in one day...
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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.
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This.
The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.
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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.
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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but I'n my job it's something I have to do a lot.
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Oversimplification? You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.
It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.
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It's a good analogy. The people calling for server mergers didn't cause the problem, but they certainly made it worse/happen sooner (as we predicted at the time).
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Now you are back tracking... you said the media caused the credit crunch, not made it happen sooner/worse.
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Out of curiosity (inspired by the lovely person above me) should we all create Marvel/DC inspired characters just to see if we can get away with it or would that just be a mean a spiteful act?
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I'd personally call it mean and spiteful, but it DOES raise one question. Do we actually HAVE any GM's at the moment? Are petitions being ignored if so, or passed automatically to the US GM's already?
Are we alone in the dark?
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The CS team (GM's) remain, and they're working through their tickets as normal.
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but how long will it take to gain back the purchase of AI of CoH before they even hit break-even? (afaik no numbers of purchase are known)
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Well i have more faith in them than to think they'd buy the IP (by Ai i assume you mean the IP) even though they thought they couldn't break even or turn a profit. The fact is they did buy it which means they thought they could make something out of it. Which is why i think this game as a bit of life in it yet and i doubt they're just going to shut it down and cut their losses.
P.s. even if you didnt mean the IP my point still stands sorta
The above is only my opinion, please don't hate me for it
SG: Suicidal Maniacs @Aurealis
GhostRaptor: Server populations have been trending upwards since Issue 13 release. There are no current plans for any server mergers and we're looking forward to Issue 14 and the rest of the year.
As I said it was oversimplification/hyperbolae.
I also say that electrons are particles in shells around atoms. That's not true either.
I really should do something about this signature.
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the truth of the matter is u wont see the full nature of i13's demise until the q1 fy 2009 is realease as i13 was only realeased on the 2nd of dec
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The truth of the matter is that Issue 13 had a sustained positive effect on server populations and subs.