PVP Abuse or not, where to draw the line?

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Please explain how some one acquiring a shivian shard or a Warburg WMD affects your team/player/side negatively?

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All would be true if there was no PVE aspect to the PVP zones.

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There isn't. What appears to be PvE elements in the PvP zones are intended as part of the PvP game. The badges are PvP badges, the mobs are there to affect PvP fights, the missions either have direct effects on PvP or are intended to steer players so that PvP fights are more likely to occur.

They're like obstacles in the steeple race -- they're there as part of the competition, not as additional, non-competitive elements unrelated to the footrace.

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Common courtesy would also say you don't force people into joining in your game also would it not?

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Who, exactly, is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to enter the PvP zones? Oh, you just really want the shiny London Marathon participant medal? Well, then run the race already!

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Funny enough hey those badges don't require you to actually PVP ZOMG WHAT A SUPRISE!

Again if we are considering the PVP to be the marathon race it would be, wanting to do something in London during that day, but being forced to run 'cus ZOMG YOU IN LONDON ON RACE DAY!

As for the gun to the head?

The devs did that when they put PVE material in a PVP zone, yes it was a failed attempt to get people interested in a flawed and tacked on PVP system, but all it does is provide a negative view on the games PVP system.

Now if your saying by entering the zone we have to compete then well, shivians and nukes will only be usable by blasters and permadoms, melee characters shouldn't even enter the zone because they are not competitively viable in PVP, or are what you saying is we should enter with what ever we want and put up a laughable attempt to fight back against your current number gamed latest flavor PVP toon?

Because I mean simply put some characters just aren't ever going to be competitively viable, just the way the game works.

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Please explain how some one acquiring a shivian shard or a Warburg WMD affects your team/player/side negatively?

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So what your saying is that effects your PVE game not your PVP game?

I mean they aren't there to fight you so the 'stop them before they get a weapon' aspect doesn't come in to it.

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No, in entering a PvP zone you've acknowledged that you're open to PvP attacks (not that you have any choice).

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Yes, "signing up for PvP."

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No. That's not what I said, or meant.

On the rare occasions I enter a PvP zone it's to pick up some temp power or the other for PvE use. I recognise that in entering the zone I'm fair game to anyone that wants to have a pop at me, and won't complain if someone does (I generally go in early Sunday mornings to reduce the chances of this happening, mind).

Actual PvPing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest though, so even if I do encounter someone that's determined to have a go I won't be hitting back.

If the devs wanted people to enter PvP zones for absolutely nothing but pure PvP they presumably wouldn't have added temp powers that could be taken out and used back in PvE.

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That doesn't oblige you to go out and hit people though,

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PvP zones are intended for competitive play. When we enter an area set aside for a game, common courtesy, not the EULA, obliges us to take at least some part in the game or stay out. To insist on entering the game area but refuse to take part in the game at all is being a spoilsport.

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IMHO not; you enter the zones for your reasons, I enter them for mine.

Along similar lines some people might enter PvE zones and only be interested in team play, while I might want to solo; there too I wouldn't think it reasonable for them to expect me to do something I don't want to just to give them a better time.

As I mentioned above, PvP zones were designed with takeaway goodies - I'll go in and make myself a target to get them, but am only interested in getting them and leaving. I won't ask you to change your "go in and hit people" playstyle, and in return it'd be nice if you don't ask me to change my different one.

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No, in entering a PvP zone you've acknowledged that you're open to PvP attacks (not that you have any choice).

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Yes, "signing up for PvP."

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No. That's not what I said, or meant.

On the rare occasions I enter a PvP zone it's to pick up some temp power or the other for PvE use. I recognise that in entering the zone I'm fair game to anyone that wants to have a pop at me, and won't complain if someone does (I generally go in early Sunday mornings to reduce the chances of this happening, mind).

Actual PvPing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest though, so even if I do encounter someone that's determined to have a go I won't be hitting back.

If the devs wanted people to enter PvP zones for absolutely nothing but pure PvP they presumably wouldn't have added temp powers that could be taken out and used back in PvE.

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That doesn't oblige you to go out and hit people though,

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PvP zones are intended for competitive play. When we enter an area set aside for a game, common courtesy, not the EULA, obliges us to take at least some part in the game or stay out. To insist on entering the game area but refuse to take part in the game at all is being a spoilsport.

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IMHO not; you enter the zones for your reasons, I enter them for mine.

Along similar lines some people might enter PvE zones and only be interested in team play, while I might want to solo; there too I wouldn't think it reasonable for them to expect me to do something I don't want to just to give them a better time.

As I mentioned above, PvP zones were designed with takeaway goodies - I'll go in and make myself a target to get them, but am only interested in getting them and leaving. I won't ask you to change your "go in and hit people" playstyle, and in return it'd be nice if you don't ask me to change my different one.

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Absolute-[censored]-loutely!

Though with a side question of if your attacking some one who isn't going to fight back, where is the fun in it?

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No one forced you in there, and if its all just too much trauma, go in the middle of the night or early in the morning when its empty.

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That won't work, i will still do my best to be there and to take out any badgers in a PvP Zone.


The game was designed with badges in pvp zones so that you play the game in it's entire content... they didn't create 2 games CoX(pve) and CoX(pvp) Its the same bloody game!!!

And I deny anyone who gets a badge from a PvP zone without having to PvP for it to say that it was an accomplishment.

If however you get your badge despite my best efforts(doubtful) then i will take my hat off to you.

Don't like it? Maybe you should own up to the fact maybe you don't deserve the badge.

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Funny enough hey those badges don't require you to actually PVP ZOMG WHAT A SUPRISE!

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Yes, they do. You're in a PvP zone, you're open to attack from other players and you have the ability to attack them in return. You can get the badges without attacking anyone else and, with some luck and hiding, without being successfully attacked yourself. But you're still engaging in PvP play simply by being in the zone.

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Again if we are considering the PVP to be the marathon race it would be, wanting to do something in London during that day, but being forced to run 'cus ZOMG YOU IN LONDON ON RACE DAY!

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No, it's equivalent to wanting to do something in the middle of the race track, during the race. You're in the way, you're affecting the runners.

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As for the gun to the head?

The devs did that when they put PVE material in a PVP zone, yes it was a failed attempt to get people interested in a flawed and tacked on PVP system, but all it does is provide a negative view on the games PVP system.

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There is a subtle, but important, difference between "enticing" and "forcing."

Okay, so it's not all that subtle.

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Now if your saying by entering the zone we have to compete then well,

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No, I'm saying that if you want to be in a PvP zone you should participate. You don't have to run to win, but, come on, it's a race. At least jog.

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Actual PvPing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest though, so even if I do encounter someone that's determined to have a go I won't be hitting back.

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Then, frankly, you're being a poor sport.

How did Londoner's post get attributed to me?

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That won't work, i will still do my best to be there and to take out any badgers in a PvP Zone.

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Oh right so your gonna sit in all 4 zones 24/7 just on the off chance.

Dont kid yourself, people will get whatever they want in a pvp zone regardless of you, me or anyone else, if they put them self out a bit.

Those of you who are whinging about being attacked repeatedly in PvP zones when only there for PvE content:

Can you honestly say you've never once seen another player and wondered how much damage one of your attacks could do? Taken a sneaky shot at someone, because you thought/knew you wouldn't get caught? Put your shields up to protect you in case you do get targetted?

The last one's the most likely, and that counts as PvPing. You're protecting yourself, the same way those childish PvPers do.

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No, I'm saying that if you want to be in a PvP zone you should participate. You don't have to run to win, but, come on, it's a race. At least jog.

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I'd participate if the game play was based on something more than Rock, Paper, Scissors, where ter Rock can't actually beat scissors, because the rock needs to be in melee range but has no method of suppressing the speed at which Scissors jumps around the map.

If there was an actual chance for all AT power set combos to win against an opponent, a chance greater than the other player having a heart attack and going AFK.

A PVE build can't defeat a PVP build so why even bother trying when you have gone there for PVE reasons?

And your idea of sportsmanship is flawed, it's basically a competitive martial artist challenging people to a fight outside a cinema showing Jackie Chan films after all, going to see that film must mean they are up for a fight yeah?

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Oh right so your gonna sit in all 4 zones 24/7 just on the off chance.

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I very often search all maps on the opposite side of PvP Zones with a 2nd account and if someone pops up i'll be there in a shot. ;P

Otherwise I reside in Sirens Usually and make full use of the bounty system.

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Oh right so your gonna sit in all 4 zones 24/7 just on the off chance.

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I very often search all maps on the opposite side of PvP Zones with a 2nd account and if someone pops up i'll be there in a shot. ;P

Otherwise I reside in Sirens Usually and make full use of the bounty system.

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Those of you who are whinging about being attacked repeatedly in PvP zones when only there for PvE content:

Can you honestly say you've never once seen another player and wondered how much damage one of your attacks could do? Taken a sneaky shot at someone, because you thought/knew you wouldn't get caught? Put your shields up to protect you in case you do get targetted?

The last one's the most likely, and that counts as PvPing. You're protecting yourself, the same way those childish PvPers do.

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Wonder how you PVE without shields.

I hope that CactusBrawler is a troll because the oft-regurgitated rhetoric of wanting to avoid PvP in a PvP Zone simply because there is PvE content there is stupid.

The PvE stuff is there in addition to the PvP. Not instead of. You consent by entering the zone and anyone complaining that (SHOCK HORROR) they get attacked in a PvP Zone they entered, therefore agreeing that they can be attacked really has the wrong outlook on things.

PvE content in the zones is completely optional. Just because you want the badges or want the temps it doesn't mean you need them.

If you don't want to get attacked - don't go in the God damn zone.

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A PVE build can't defeat a PVP build so why even bother trying when you have gone there for PVE reasons?

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Common courtesy. Good sportsmanship.

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A PVE build can't defeat a PVP build so why even bother trying when you have gone there for PVE reasons?

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Yes it can. Try harder.

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Actual PvPing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest though, so even if I do encounter someone that's determined to have a go I won't be hitting back.

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Then, frankly, you're being a poor sport.

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Really? My builds are thoroughly unoptimised for PvP, and I myself have next to zero experience of it. My engaging any proper PvPer would be like an out of shape office worker engaging a professional boxer in the ring, and have an equally certain outcome.

If you want my outmatched toon to flail around ineffectively for a while before being taken down, I don't think it's me that's the poor sport.

I think what we need is a new rule.

If someone doesn't fight back at PvP then give them what they want I say.

TP them to a big mob and just hold them there. There you go. A nice PvE death for them to enjoy.

If we make that a rule from now on, the PvP zones will be much better places.

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If you don't want to get attacked - don't go in the God damn zone.

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Or at least go in with a team, and look out for one another. Safer in numbers.

And Cactus, I have absolutely no idea what your point was about PvEing without shields.

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A PVE build can't defeat a PVP build so why even bother trying when you have gone there for PVE reasons?

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Common courtesy. Good sportsmanship.

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Neither of these apply to the PVP build forcing the PVE build to PVP do they?

It'd be like forcing a quadriplegic to compete with a long distance runner.

Good Sportsmanship is not forcing some one with inferior stats to compete with you just so you can get your own jollies.

Good Sportsmanship would be finding another PVP build character to fight, wow you might even get a challenge there.

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A PVE build can't defeat a PVP build so why even bother trying when you have gone there for PVE reasons?

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Does a hunter ask the rabbit if he is interrupting his own agenda before he blows his head off??? em, no.

Therefore i don't care for your reasons of why you are in the Zone all i know is that its rabbit season :P

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If you don't want to get attacked - don't go in the God damn zone.

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Or at least go in with a team, and look out for one another. Safer in numbers.

And Cactus, I have absolutely no idea what your point was about PvEing without shields.

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How are people supposed to do the zones PVE content without using their shields?

Just because some one has defenses running doesn't mean they are prepared for a PVP fight.

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Good Sportsmanship is not forcing some one with inferior stats to compete with you just so you can get your own jollies.

Good Sportsmanship would be finding another PVP build character to fight, wow you might even get a challenge there.

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And the PvPers are just supposed to take the newcomer's word for it, that they don't have an optimised build? Mmm, that sounds fair.