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out of intrest how would players feel about the 40/50 question being open to agreement by the 2 opposing team captains, if an agreement can not be reached a best of 3 r/p/s match with the winning captain picking the level limit?
Or would this create to much of an uneven keel to the contest?
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What you gonna do if they cant agree?
That seems like a recipe for last minute pull outs.
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Speaking for the people who aren't in the two SGs on the servers that PvP regularry, I find the lv 40 limit refreshing.
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Agreed, also makes Villain ATs more viable. I mean come on Brute vs Scapper APPs. 
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out of intrest how would players feel about the 40/50 question being open to agreement by the 2 opposing team captains, if an agreement can not be reached a best of 3 r/p/s match with the winning captain picking the level limit?
Or would this create to much of an uneven keel to the contest?
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What you gonna do if they cant agree?
That seems like a recipe for last minute pull outs.
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I may not have been as clear as i'd hoped but if the 2 captains could not agree then a quick 3 round rock paper scissors fight could take place with the victor (2-1 or 3-0) picking the fight level.
This is one possible compromise I am intrested in hearing opinions on, another is 2 leagues, a level 40 league and a level 50 "elite league" but this segreates the compition which did not prove successful in s4 (there were several weight classes only 2 went ahead), a further one is having the fights get progessively "tougher" as the competition progesses with early rounds at 40 and later at 50.
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I may not have been as clear as i'd hoped but if the 2 captains could not agree then a quick 3 round rock paper scissors fight could take place with the victor (2-1 or 3-0) picking the fight level.
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But lv 40 and lv 50 builds are totally different... at least for me they are... this seems quite a bad idea.
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I may not have been as clear as i'd hoped but if the 2 captains could not agree then a quick 3 round rock paper scissors fight could take place with the victor (2-1 or 3-0) picking the fight level.
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But lv 40 and lv 50 builds are totally different... at least for me they are... this seems quite a bad idea.
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I agree this is a concern it could be solved by arranging the fight weights a degree of time before hand (days perhaps)
Ï agree with Alvan, IMO set 1 lvl to fight at. Will be much easier for both players and you guys that are hosting the tourney.
1 level is preferable for the reasons mentioned these suggestions are at this time just that to see if a reasonable compromise can be reached between the 2 disparate opinions.
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out of intrest how would players feel about the 40/50 question being open to agreement by the 2 opposing team captains, if an agreement can not be reached a best of 3 r/p/s match with the winning captain picking the level limit?
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This is not viable.Looking at the entry list captains can know which matches they wanna have at 40 and which at 50.
Rules need be same from start till end.
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another is 2 leagues, a level 40 league and a level 50 "elite league" but this segreate the compition which did not prove successful in s4 (there were several weight classes on 2 went ahead), a further one is having the fights get progessively "tougher" as the compitiion progesses with early rounds at 40 and later at 50.
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I dont mind that but judging from previous S4 only Bantamweight and Heavyweight (lvl 50) went on.
So why not instead keep this scheme which will make the Bantamweight open for more casual players as well since there will be no PPP's/APP's TK's and so on and hell not even many IO's.
S4 classes were perfect imho.level 50 and level 24.Level 24 will draw the casuals and those that just want some PvP and level 50 will attract high end as well as any casuals or people that want a laugh.
Since there will be no trashtalking and so on there is no reason anyone to be put off from steping in heavyweight arena.
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Would like to see a poll attached to this thread to see what the majority want, it seems the only real way of deciding 40 or 50.
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I guess the problem with that would be that it's the hardcore pvp:ers are the ones who know for a fact they're going to want to participate.
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If that's that the majority want, then how's that a problem? They wouldn't do this in the house of commons, most votes = win, simple.
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then it becomes unfair to the villain pentads (which already suffer due to team synamics) as there are significantly fewer of them. The reason there are fewer of them is that heroes work better and with epic pool powers then that factor is magnified.
The majority dont want it fair, the majority want it the way "they" want it, I dont doubt the EU red names are working hard to make it as fair and as fun as possible but they are massively hampered due to the poor patron designs (anyone remember "villain epic wont be respecable as they will be stronger than heroes")
This is not to say pre epics will be any more beneficial to villains, as was mentioned vills teeny tiny hit points will fall even faster without their epic sheilds.
Personally I think the fairest level range for reds and blue is lvl 32
Oh and discounting the epic ATs is unfair IMO due to them being the closest thing to an almost equaliser than red side has.
Oh and to globey, I dont think you should use the houses of parliment as an ideal to back up your opinion, it only serves to make it weaker
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Hopefully quite soon. We're tossing around the idea of making a follow-up team for our S4 "Army of Lovers" over at the SG watercooler now, meaning that if we do it, we'll be facing a lv1-50 grind. And what chars we're making sort of depends on the level range the contest will be held... So the sooner this is resolved, the better it would be.
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This is a PvP event yes but it's not an everyday one and is organised for some fun with rewards that will mean nothing to anyone outside PvP. I shall not lose any sleep due to being without it. I won't be going around saying Wow thats an X4 champion oh my gosh.
As it's meant to be for fun I'm not entirely certain why it has to be level 50 and be an issue. I see a team effort where 5 members have to work together and should be able to overcome anything that's thrown at them with tactics and strategy and that's where the skill comes into it. Plus it probably gives more people a chance of winning even the less knowledgeable players and thus why it's so open. Perhaps it's fear that at level 40 you couldn't handle it as well and be more likely to lose ? Some of the bigger PvP Groups could have a large player base and thus may even have several pentads taking part. That would probably bring pride to the supergroup members even if it wasn't their pentad but fellow SG/VG mates pentad that wins.
I think that you should try the level 40 first hand, this could potentially have more players in a single PvP gathering on the European circuit and may even increase the population too for the future. Plus if it's successful it may even become more regular. When was S4 ? Isn't it years ago ? Perhaps it may become a half year or quaterly event or an annual one which is better than it has been I would think. If it isn't enjoyed by the majority then for a future event they work out a better situation with levels and making it an equal footing.
As I've said before I probably wouldn't take part anyway, I will always picture the bad side of PvP and I would never put myself intentionally in the situation of facing any of that. Perhaps in that case I don't have a right to give an opinion, and what I've said could be me talking out my proverbial butt anyway. It's just how I see it. I would just like everyone to enjoy the event. I may not be a PvPer but I might take a look at the event just to see it first hand and might even become some SGs number one fan.
Level 50 and level 24 or even 32 format solves the issue nicely.
Casuals and whoever thinks its not fair go to level 32-24 Bantamweight event and can easily level toons for it as needed and spec them as needed,Hardcore PvPers and more competitive matches go to 50.Worked sweet as last S4
Im looking forward to this I would prefer at 50 but have no qualms about fighting at 40 - although no epic shields will make blasters even more powerful than they already are.
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As it's meant to be for fun I'm not entirely certain why it has to be level 50 and be an issue. I see a team effort where 5 members have to work together and should be able to overcome anything that's thrown at them with tactics and strategy and that's where the skill comes into it.
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Its still has a competitive element and everyone like to win, the level 50 issue is an issue due to "pentad" being totally unbalanced across COH to COV, if it was hero pentad only, lvl 50 wouldnt be a problem, if it was villain pentads only lvl 50 wouldnt be a problem but cross faction lvl 50 pentad PvP isnt even remotely close to being balanced and the developers are well aware of the huge shortcomings of Patrons in the wake of hero epics, lets look at it, PFF, powerboost (on the same timer as villains have in a SECONDARY) force of nature, clicky mez protection, TK, TF, FA etc etc etc, all are gold, all allow for customising characters in a very unique way that fits your playstyle. Red side has laclustre formulaic dross, corrs for example, immob, hold, sheild and [censored] pet, wow....... The design premise wasnt the same, heroes got something that was missing from their primary/secondaries, vills got stuff they already mostly has access too. Its poor design and even worse cross faction balance which is why this tournament is a headache for the EU reds, they are trying damn hard to make it fair and dont want to restrict it to one faction only pentads (which is the only real way to balance things out for lvl 50 pvp) as some dont play red and blue side pvp.
hero epics>>>>villain epics. set level to 40=a measure towards balncing the divide, and a way to encourage villain teams into the competition.
Do not flame the decision of the organisers that got off their [censored] and organised an event in the first place. If you can not cope with the rule changes, go start x5...
If the rules were; everyone had to appear in pink pants and play Ar/devices blasters @level 10 then I for one choose to join. I may be alone,, but my comp my rules.
*claps* to the organisers: "bravo"
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If the rules were; everyone had to appear in pink pants and play Ar/devices blasters @level 10 then I for one choose to join. I may be alone,, but my comp my rules.
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Hell. I'd come to that comp 
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Noone flamed.We simply disagree with the setup and discuss it since obviously GR opened this thread for this.And considering we got as much experience as the organisers in PvP allowing us to comment,dont see why not
a)make a poll
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b)use previous S4 setup which will give chance to both sides to participate since like i mention level 24 or 32 will work nicely for those wanting to particpate and have laughs and can level easily toons needed like in previous S4 and level 50 the more dedicated PvPers.
Noone is answering my question why not use scheme b which worked perfect for previous event.
Considering this is a mixed event pure Villain pentad teams are not saved by APP/PPP removal and declaring TK and focused accuracy as invalid tactics.
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b)use previous S4 setup which will give both sides to participate since like i mention level 24 or 32 will work nicely for those wanting to particpate and have laughs and can level easily toons needed like in previous S4 and level 50 the more dedicated PvPers.
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This imo would be the best way to go.
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b)use previous S4 setup which will give chance to both sides to participate since like i mention level 24 or 32 will work nicely for those wanting to particpate and have laughs and can level easily toons needed like in previous S4 and level 50 the more dedicated PvPers.
Noone is answering my question why not use scheme b which worked perfect for previous event.
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Wasn't Bantamweight in S4 only up to level 12? I'm seem to remember that there were no travel powers involved (although that could have been just a weird choice by me).
The low level pvp in S4 last time was a lot of fun, and a completely different fight due to lack of movement.
A PvP event at last, why cant we just be happy we actually get to do some decent PvP and make do
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Wasn't Bantamweight in S4 only up to level 12? I'm seem to remember that there were no travel powers involved (although that could have been just a weird choice by me).
The low level pvp in S4 last time was a lot of fun, and a completely different fight due to lack of movement.
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I believe it was lvl 13, and yes, it was a hell of a lot of fun, more about just killing each other than working out uber builds and the like
Oh, that reminds me....
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Im more off this opinion. But im not that fussed either IF its lvl 50. Im just happy that these guys took it upon themselfs to make this event.
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The issues I see with level 40 instead of level 50
<ul type="square"> [*]Certain ATs will be disadvantaged by the level drop. - Certain ATs will be disadvantaged at level 50 anyway.[*]All the serious players will respec their builds and buy appropriate level IOs - At level 50 casual players that have worked for their IOs need not put in all the extra effort and still have a chance of their characters being on par with more enthusiastic players [*]There are less powers at level 40 and its not very reflective of the skill on the servers at this moment in time - Closest its too is Warburg and alot of players who play in zones aren't interested in the arena.[/list]
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The event is being held on Test - getting the right enhas for the job isn't that hard. I've been thinking I'll copy a lot of spares in case some people in other teams need them. And I think I'm not the only one who'd be willing to do this.
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You have to remember that this is an "official" event. Lots of people who didn't play the normal arena back in the days of S4 participated in it because it was an event. I think quite a lot of people who don't play arena will be participating in this. Also, in favor of this, having to gear your mind to a lv 40 mindset will bring the playing field to a bit more equal level, as the playstyle adjustment has to be made by the "hardcore" as well as the "casuals".
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So where do I sign up for the level ~24 competition?
Or do I have to round up enough people to vote for it?
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