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The event is being held on Test - getting the right enhas for the job isn't that hard. I've been thinking I'll copy a lot of spares in case some people in other teams need them. And I think I'm not the only one who'd be willing to do this.
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I know its not hard, but a casual player isn't going to take the time out to do it and if they do, not to the extent of players who are in an SG with lots of resources.
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Do not flame the decision of the organisers
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Noone flamed.We simply disagree with the setup and discuss it since obviously GR opened this thread for this.And considering we got as much experience as the organisers in PvP allowing us to comment,dont see why not
a)make a poll
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b)use previous S4 setup which will give chance to both sides to participate since like i mention level 24 or 32 will work nicely for those wanting to particpate and have laughs and can level easily toons needed like in previous S4 and level 50 the more dedicated PvPers.
Noone is answering my question why not use scheme b which worked perfect for previous event.
Considering this is a mixed event pure Villain pentad teams are not saved by APP/PPP removal and declaring TK and focused accuracy as invalid tactics.
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right, as a previous event organiser, i can vouch for just deciding the outline in your head and getting on with it.
Otherwise, you just spend the next few weeks going over and over the finer details.
To be honest, im not fussed whether is 30, 40 or 50. At the end of the day it's organised PvP with redname support=win.
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Also, in favor of this, having to gear your mind to a lv 40 mindset will bring the playing field to a bit more equal level, as the playstyle adjustment has to be made by the "hardcore" as well as the "casuals".
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This will be my last post since i expressed all my concerns where it was appropriate.
At level 40 not only you dont level the playing field but you unbalance it even more.
At level 40 with 20min matches you force teams to the following:
2 mez protection = Absolutely must
Psi spike = Absolutely must
Any form of psi res = absolute must
So we got
Dark/psi defender or Sonic/psi
emp/mind controller
psi/nrg blaster
Tank with hp cap.
Scrapper
This is predetermined win combo and the spike produced is basically game over.
In other words = Psi damage festival.
As far as level 50 goes.
You get psi resistances and you get chance to mix different kind of blasters and damage really and to include villains in mixed schemes not making basically therms/colds obsolete.
At level 50 the epic shields available to heroes and vills make the difference and thats it.
Hibernate doesnt matter.You get one phase or the other anyway.Dual phase was nerfed.
Power build up was nerfed,its not worth taking any more noone will come with it in serious mind when u can have psi resistance.
Basically you will get into play snare tactics,colds,permadoms with -jump and so on opening up the playfield for more surprises.
Locking out 10 levels nerfs whole teams and insta gimps anyone against psi damage which trust me there is TONS of it out there and makes 2 mez protection buffers an absolute must for any decent survival.
I expressed my concerns where it was appropriate and i ll wait and see now.
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The Issues I see at 20 minutes instead of 10 minutes
<ul type="square"> [*]Fights are down to who can burn break frees faster [*]Players get worn out and its a test of stamina and real life endurance [*]20 minutes is dull for anyone watching [*]Matches are really annoying if your up against a really good team and your bad [*]10 minutes is enough time to decide a winner [/list]
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1) ..or..(like the previous s4)..it becomes a challenge of who can manage their buffs/insps better. After all I very rarely get to the end of a 10 min team pvp match with no inps left.
2) goodie 
I can tell you this for a fact..I can last longer than 20mins (ask a certain persons mum)
3) after 15 mins when inspies are all gone, life becomes really interesting.
4) See point 2 - get better
5) So is 1 minute vs spag.
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lv 41 power btw 
Nothing else to argue about the post. That's the other side of the coin pretty much. You lose things to gain some others.
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Noone flamed.We simply disagree with the setup and discuss it since obviously GR opened this thread for this.And considering we got as much experience as the organisers in PvP allowing us to comment,dont see why not
a)make a poll
or
b)use previous S4 setup which will give chance to both sides to participate since like i mention level 24 or 32 will work nicely for those wanting to particpate and have laughs and can level easily toons needed like in previous S4 and level 50 the more dedicated PvPers.
Noone is answering my question why not use scheme b which worked perfect for previous event.
Considering this is a mixed event pure Villain pentad teams are not saved by APP/PPP removal and declaring TK and focused accuracy as invalid tactics.
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a) the populist option is rarely the right one, lets look at some governments....
b) S4 is an archaic irrelevance now as the game isnt remotely the same, the formula would only be fair if red and blue side were kept apart something the EU reds are clearly trying to avoid. It worked perfectly for S4 because that was just heroes and everyone had access to the same sets, ATs and choices.
If you can honestly tell me that you feel Patrons are balanced to hero Epic pools then you can make the real argument for the level you want. Access to these sets benefits heroes over villains by a massive margin.
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1) ..or..(like the previous s4)..it becomes a challenge of who can manage their buffs/insps better. After all I very rarely get to the end of a 10 min team pvp match with no inps left.
3) after 15 mins when inspies are all gone, life becomes really interesting.
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Fair enough about managing buffs/insps, more teams will take empaths and sonic defenders/controllers. Or just bring bigger insp...
In my view the rules should promote variety and inventive teams. The rules as they are limit teams if they want to win.
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The issues I see with level 40 instead of level 50
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[1]Certain ATs will be disadvantaged by the level drop. - Certain ATs will be disadvantaged at level 50 anyway.
[2]All the serious players will respec their builds and buy appropriate level IOs - At level 50 casual players that have worked for their IOs need not put in all the extra effort and still have a chance of their characters being on par with more enthusiastic players
[3]There are less powers at level 40 and its not very reflective of the skill on the servers at this moment in time - Closest its too is Warburg and alot of players who play in zones aren't interested in the arena.[/list]
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I'll address these as they are all things we considered.
1. on the nose 40 limits some AT's effectiveness as does 50 so a draw.
2. A level 50 casual player would probably be just as disadvantaged fighting a serious players build at level 50 as they would at level 40, so again a draw,
3. The competition is not aimed at one type of pvper (arena, zonal e.t.c) or type of player as such it was felt level 40 provides as level a playing field for non-pvpers, zonal pvpers, dualer's, teams e.t.c as possible and may result in less of a "culture shock" for those new to pvp, and the loss of 10 levels would not effect those experienced in arena pvp who could probably transition easier then any other group, and those zonal pvp'ers would probably already be used to pvping without certain powers. So slightly in 40's favor.
So weighting just those 3 things up tends towards 40 being a happy medium, be aware this was not the only level considered, everything from bantamweight upto level 50 was considered and 40 was felt to be the happiest compromise.
Cherry did you read TGs post about team setup at 40?
Yes I read it, but it assumes everyone is entering with exactly the same custom built toons with no room for people using randoms for fun, and on the flip side I'm sure just such a cookie cutter team for any level you could mention could be suggested (at 50 psi blasters would become fire probably e.t.c.
If there are good prizes for this, like in S4. I'd be playing to win not for fun. These rules limit the options to win.
This was considered and as they haven't been announced yet I cant say that, for example, winning may not be the only way to win prizes.
Have Kimmeh's carebares been getting to KS and GR?
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This was considered and as they haven't been announced yet I cant say that, for example, winning may not be the only way to win prizes.
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That's one way to increase participation levels, I think prizes for consistant effort should be looked at tbh. I'd also be up for offering some in-game items as prizes if that's the kinda thing you have in mind.
As has been mentioned previously the point of this contest is to attract as many people to PvP and to reward them with fun and maybe more rather then have it as a rather hardcore only 2-3 horse race.
We hope people will consider this and not become to focused on one aspact of it.
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Yes I read it, but it assumes everyone is entering with exactly the same custom built toons with no room for people using randoms for fun
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Well,surely people will come with randoms but surely some of the PvPers will participate too.Any serious team will bring this combo and will do 1-2-3 boom = annihilate
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I'm sure just such a cookie cutter team for any level you could mention could be suggested (at 50 psi blasters would become fire probably
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No because at 50 level is equalised through resistances from shields.
At level 40 my previous team setup is cookie cutter and pretty much untouchable to anything but psi spike due to sonic and healer setup.
At level 50 though where epic shields give room to remove 1 mez buffer and mess with the damage and debuff setups you can see tactics such as cold corruptors,ice/kin corruptors bringing more offensive setups while maintaining solid team and so on.If far harder to have a cookie cutter team at 50 rather than at 40 exactly due to the space psi resistance opens.
I am sure people will come with fun setups but it wont be fun when u step in 20min against this setup which will be there for sure.
Bottomline is i support KS and you Cherry in this event.I expressed all my concerns.We particpating as well after some discussion i am sure will be good fun.Be it level 40 or level 50.Hope you dont hold it against me for holding my position i always stand for what i believe.
I know i ll be dressed in pink for this. 
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What are you trying to say, Nicky? 
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What are you trying to say, Nicky?
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Carebears suck, to keep it simple. 
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What are you trying to say, Nicky?
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Carebears suck, to keep it simple.
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Wow, mature. And I'm still confused...
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Wow, mature. And I'm still confused...
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Nothing personal meant by it. It just seems there 2 different agenders here. One of the hardcore pvper and one of the casual player. I just tied the more casual sides of this event to your new thing with carebares, implying that this is the reason for the level rule. But I was only joking and my poor attempt at humors seems not to have worked. Sorry
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Nothing personal meant by it. It just seems there 2 different agenders here. One of the hardcore pvper and one of the casual player. I just tied the more casual sides of this event to your new thing with carebares, implying that this is the reason for the level rule. But I was only joking and my poor attempt at humors seems not to have worked. Sorry
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KS is trying to sort something out that will make as many people happy as possible, not just elite pvpers, carebears or anyone else. This isn't an easy task. I wish him luck...
Firstly thanks to Mothers Love for a excellent poster. Its surpassed what ever I had envisioned.
Thanks to Ghost Raptor and team for supporting this event and help edit my post and advertise them.
Thanks to Cherry for holding the fort for me whilst I was unavailable to answer the comments made on here.
I have heard everything that has been said in this post, that which remains and that which has been removed and to say that some of it has left me disapointed is an understatement. But that being said the event, like the many others I have tried to organised to expand and entertain the pvp community, will continue.
But im going to make some of this clearer for some of the newer players or newcomers to PvP.
This event is not simply aimed at the hard core PvP this event is also to encourage the casual PvPer, S4 changed PvP in Europe forever. It spawned more PvP and the understanding that PvP isnt just about winning its about taking part and enjoying your self. I want X4 to go along the same lines I want more people to feel the enjoyment you get from PvP not just the winning .
Anyone who entering this event with the pure impression that winning is the only thing you can get out of this is wrong. You meet friends new people to PvP with increase your understanding of builds and IOs and HOs and how to make them work more effectively. Theres so mucdh more you can take away from this than just winning. Take part take in the environment meet the other teams and see the tactics they play with.
At this time I want to stay with the level 40. I want this for a few reasons, some mentioned already. Currently no-one really plays at this level so making it fairly neutral ground for newcomers and the hard core PvPers . I know this means people maybe having to make new builds. I know there is hassle evolved. But its worth it.
20 mins matchs. Its all about tatics and thats the same for all decisions I have made in the organising of this event.
Theres so many combinations and possibility to the tactics that can be used .
Please feel free to PM me with any further issues. I would request that everyone please keep your comments constructive. Please remember this is for fun for all that is concerned.
Also anyone not got a team ? Anyone wanting to join but doesnt know how ? PM me. Talk to me I would love to help you.
Im in game on most evenings either on @Knight Stalker or @Nimmer.
In that case - Good Luck to all who enter and I hope we meet in the Arena
The Issues I see at 20 minutes instead of 10 minutes
<ul type="square"> [*]Fights are down to who can burn break frees faster [*]Players get worn out and its a test of stamina and real life endurance [*]20 minutes is dull for anyone watching [*]Matches are really annoying if your up against a really good team and your bad [*]10 minutes is enough time to decide a winner [/list]