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Surely as a respec, if you ran out would cost u, 20 mill then by paying £6 you have gained 20 mil , No? surely an ingame benefit.
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No because not having the 20 mil might be the reason you pay the £5.99,in fact thinking about it, whichever way you look at it you havent gained 20 mil in game.
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'kthx' in a nice way.
Surely as a respec, if you ran out would cost u, 20 mill then by paying £6 you have gained 20 mil , No? surely an ingame benefit.
And forsaken I'm sure I've seen someone just change there global, isn't that a better way to hide if you just want to be abusive?
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no, it's not like you are buying a respec recipe, you are just credited one on your account, so that message when you first log on will say "you have one respec available" if you had 20 mill on that character, then you still only have 20 mill on that character.
In no way is it an advantage, it's a beneficial service to people that for one reason or another need a respec and can't get one from the game.
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I fully support this.
If people manage to use all their respecs/freespecs/vetspecs, even go to specsavers just to get one pair free and still keep making stupid mistakes that need such urgent repair that they need to buy a respec now rather than play the game until they've earnt enough INF to buy one at the CH then I fully support their ability to pay for it. I'm sure that Darwinism will see these people dying out in a couple of million years or so...
And btw, Alphane, what style of dance does the devil prefer? I can't imagine cloven hooves as being very good for tango or waltz.
[Addendum]: I've always been sure that a repeatable respec is needed given the manner of inventions (and the fact that enhancements can't be unslotted outside of a respec). Pretty sure that anyone building up a new character-build involving expensive IOs could probably raise the INF to get a CH respec pretty quickly.
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Ok this is odd, since taking the picture last night and today Respecs seem to have disappeared from the Store.
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I'm not sure you can use the word 'only' in the same sentence as '20 mill' 
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Ok this is odd, since taking the picture last night and today Respecs seem to have disappeared from the Store.
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It will be back shortly. As I posted earlier in this thread it was accidentally switched on earlier than intended, before the announcements were ready.
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Ok this is odd, since taking the picture last night and today Respecs seem to have disappeared from the Store.
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GR mentioned it a few pages back.
It wasn't meant to be on the list last night. It was accidentally put up early. It's been taken off it again until the official announcement (which I think he said would be later today - or did I imagine that bit?)
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Ah ok, I never looked threw the whole thread, noticed people getting angry so skiped to the end hehe
I think they're slightly overpriced, but as far as I know, all proceeds go towards making the game better, so I'm all for the idea.
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I think they're slightly overpriced, but as far as I know, all proceeds go towards making the game better, so I'm all for the idea.
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Or so u'd think. . .
Ok for those who don't believe 1 respec=20mil gained
Toon 1- 20 mil to start - buy respec £6 - 20 mill at end
Toom 2- 20 mil to start - but respec 20 mil - 0 at end
So therefore there is a diffrence made in the economic wealth of a charecter through an input of cash.
Or let me give you a slightly more obscure example. Now for the sake of arguement I have made a deal with my dancing friend ( who Dave tends to love what you loathe the most ) that whoever completes this respec TF and chooses a recipe gets a LOTG 7.5, now both are charecters need respecs but I having forked out my £6 can choose a recipe anyone who didn't and needs to choose the respec has missed out!
In fact through an easily workable exploit you may as well say NC will sell you inf at a rate of £1/mill!!
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Ok for those who don't believe 1 respec=20mil gained
Toon 1- 20 mil to start - buy respec £6 - 20 mill at end
Toom 2- 20 mil to start - but respec 20 mil - 0 at end
So therefore there is a diffrence made in the economic wealth of a charecter through an input of cash.
Or let me give you a slightly more obscure example. Now for the sake of arguement I have made a deal with my dancing friend that whoever completes this respec TF and chooses a recipe gets a LOTG 7.5, now both are charecters need respecs but I having forked out my £6 can choose a recipe anyone who didn't and needs to choose the respec has missed out!
In fact through an easily workable exploit you may as well say NC will sell you inf at a rate of £1/mill!!
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I think thats a very obscure way of looking at things and not gonna be shared with many to be honest.
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Or let me give you a slightly more obscure example. Now for the sake of arguement I have made a deal with my dancing friend that whoever completes this respec TF and chooses a recipe gets a LOTG 7.5, now both are charecters need respecs but I having forked out my £6 can choose a recipe anyone who didn't and needs to choose the respec has missed out!
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Having just read that again im a bit lost, how can you guarantee a certain recipe for a respec trial?
And how are you any better or worse off picking the respec at the end of it?
You are just as likely to get a jank recipe as a decent one, and anyway you do the respec trial for 2 different reasons, a you want a respec or b you want a recipe.
Someone who has paid 6 quid for a respec from this lot aint any better off or worse in game, they just chose to spend 6 quid out of game.
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Ok for those who don't believe 1 respec=20mil gained
Toon 1- 20 mil to start - buy respec £6 - 20 mill at end
Toom 2- 20 mil to start - but respec 20 mil - 0 at end
So therefore there is a diffrence made in the economic wealth of a charecter through an input of cash.
Or let me give you a slightly more obscure example. Now for the sake of arguement I have made a deal with my dancing friend ( who Dave tends to love what you loathe the most ) that whoever completes this respec TF and chooses a recipe gets a LOTG 7.5, now both are charecters need respecs but I having forked out my £6 can choose a recipe anyone who didn't and needs to choose the respec has missed out!
In fact through an easily workable exploit you may as well say NC will sell you inf at a rate of £1/mill!!
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Surely by using that theory then that it would only affect newer players since a lot of us now has respecs coming out of us left right and centre (i know i for one have at least 3 on a new toon straight away).
Cant see this being a big hit because 10 - 20 mill can be obtained in an hour these days quite easy if the person was that desperate for a respec.
'Spose having the option is better than NOT having the option though.
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I'm still not seeing your logic, but then I have several respecs built up on most of my characters that they'll probably never use anyway, so this won't ever affect me. I guess if you're someone who habitually uses respecs often, either as part of your build progression or to correct mistakes, then you'd care a lot more than me. Shame I can't sell my earned/vet respecs for 20mill inf or sell them back to NCSoft for £5.99
Personally I don't see selling respecs as any worse than the bonus Pocket D teleport or jump pack or costume pieces in GvE - I only bought GvE for the extra items as I already had both CoH & CoV anyway, but I was ok with it because subtracting the value of the 1 month sub, GvE only cost me about a quid anyway - but still, in reality, I've already paid money for items/powers.
But yeah micro-transactions is a slippery slope, it worries me, and we're all rather suspicious because of course the MMO operators are in this to make money from us. My concerns can basically be boiled down to three salient points:
Micro-transactions bother me if:
1) players can buy an "in-combat advantage" over non-buyers in the game
2) they become mandatory to play the game (like certain Asian MMOs I've heard about where you can only buy heal/mana potions for real money from the "cash-shop/item-mall", and content becomes too tough/onerous without them)
3) content that players previously received free in issues/patches (such as new costumes/powersets/archetypes/zones/arcs, etc) will only be available through micro-transaction payments in future
Though I think big paid-for expansions are fine providing they have tons more content than we'd normally see in a year full of issues AND we still get the "free" issue content - oh and as long as it's not more than 1 paid expansion per year.
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Or let me give you a slightly more obscure example. Now for the sake of arguement I have made a deal with my dancing friend ( who Dave tends to love what you loathe the most ) that whoever completes this respec TF and chooses a recipe gets a LOTG 7.5, now both are charecters need respecs but I having forked out my £6 can choose a recipe anyone who didn't and needs to choose the respec has missed out!
In fact through an easily workable exploit you may as well say NC will sell you inf at a rate of £1/mill!!
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Ok, for starters you can't even get a LOTG +recharge from a respec trial, if I remember correctly. You may get a recipe worth 5k while someone who paid nothing gets a respec... Who's the bunny then, huh? 
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Micro-transactions bother me if:
1) players can buy an "in-combat advantage" over non-buyers in the game
2) they become mandatory to play the game (like certain Asian MMOs I've heard about where you can only buy heal/mana potions for real money from the "cash-shop/item-mall", and content becomes too tough/onerous without them)
3) content that players previously received free in issues/patches (such as new costumes/powersets/archetypes/zones/arcs, etc) will only be available through micro-transaction payments in future
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I think if this game went down that road they would end up with no cutomers so i cant see it happening.
I do hope they bring out a bug free paid for expansion though.
Actually, I'm still trying to figure out why someone who has just completed a respec trial and needs a respec would want to fork out £6 for a respec. Because if you've done your deal with the devil, the one thing I can guarantee you is that he will make the price of respec recipes go UP. A lot.
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Or let me give you a slightly more obscure example. Now for the sake of arguement I have made a deal with my dancing friend ( who Dave tends to love what you loathe the most ) that whoever completes this respec TF and chooses a recipe gets a LOTG 7.5, now both are charecters need respecs but I having forked out my £6 can choose a recipe anyone who didn't and needs to choose the respec has missed out!
In fact through an easily workable exploit you may as well say NC will sell you inf at a rate of £1/mill!!
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Ok, for starters you can't even get a LOTG +recharge from a respec trial if I remember correctly. You may get a recipe worth 5k while someone who paid nothing gets a respec... Who's the bunny then, huh?
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I thought all TF's pulled from the same pool, I could be wrong it was merely a hypothetical situations
On the second point your right kinda remind of the famous financial phrase 'Investments can go down as well as up'
As far as your question goes 'Bugs' init
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It's not a tf or an sf though, it's a trial. I'm pretty sure there are some drops you can't get from it.. I'm certain someone will be along soon to confirm that
Edit : there you go, this page explains it. Paragon wiki
Ok yes, totally failed to notice the distiction myself
Problem solved then?
Oh yes, Gangrel is back (for now anyway )
The TF pool is different to the Trial pool.
Iirc only respec trials (and possibly the new Hami raids?) pull from the Trial pool (to give parity between CoH and CoV I guess, as CoV has no non-respec trials - though there is still a lack of parity on TFs...), while Task/Strike Forces (except Ouro ones) and non-respec trials (Eden, Sewer, Cavern of Transcendence) all pull from the TF pool.
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Just want to ask why everybody thinks it is fair that the people that have more RL free time to play can have more in-game cash but not the people that have more RL money.
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Fair point, I can understand the complaints about ppl with more money available in their bank account being able to pay for ingame advantages can be frowned upon, but I can also understand that (usually) the process of having that RL cash takes away gaming hours so I can also understand that.
I personally don't mind to have goodies available for purchase, it is my decision to spend RL money on them or RL time, both are valuable to me, it is a matter of choosing at a certain stage which one I do have available.
Oh and Health is not a useless power
Thankfully, I have one of those newfangled "I control who I give my card details to" debit cards, so I don't fall victim everytime a company decides to charge for something.
I would suggest everyone who's complaining about this put in an application for one.