Yeah, I was wondering where a big bunch of my posts got to as well in this thread.
Quite annoying, the way it deletes every reply to the deleted post. 
Me too
Sonic Barrier gives resistance to toxic damage, as for my feelings on spines, well if im dying so fast that my rest button hasnt had time to recharge against a spines scrapper i simply leave the zone.
I like palying my Spine/Regen scrapper from time to time but I hardly ever PvP any now as its just not worth the hassel. PvP should be fun but its just not any fun any more at all for me as it seems the goal posts are changed every 2 mounths and theres a new argument about FoTM builds.
Unfortonatly with build winning over skill in games like this your going to get FoTM and your going to get people rolling them as they like to be uber. But your also going to get people that roll toons as they like the concept of siad toon and they get braned FoTM as well.
Every time I come to these boards and I think to my self have some of these people forgotten why they play this game.
First off, the only person who can delete your posts is Bridger and if he has done that, you ARE in violation of forum rules, probably the ones regarding flamebaiting given the way you've been posting. I seriously doubt Bridger is part of some 'Nerf the spines' conspiracy.
If you claim spine/regen isn't over powered and is as evenly balanced as other AT's/builds in the game, why aren't you out there pwning all the other spine/regens on a daily basis with your knowledge and one of these builds?
The only way to effectively take down spine/regens is through ganking. PvP is rock, paper, scissors and the simple fact is that there is a lot less paper to to a spine scrappers rock than any other build in the game. The only ones that can really take down spine/regen are kins, rads and Ice Corruptors and even then they need more skill to do so and a little luck.
I can take down /regens with my ice/ice corruptor reasonably as I can slow them and stay out of range while chipping away at them and crippling their self heals. It takes me a long while and my end running down before then is always a risk but I can do it. Against spines, it's not an option as keeping them at arms length is pointless due to their ranged attacks. The same goes for Rads and Kins. It will take most of those builds several attacks to get you low on HP, you then hit recon, same again, you then hit DP. Now the regen is in trouble... Only you're not because it only takes you a couple of hits to put those toons down and they're dead long before they've got this far as you've been able to hit them at will thanks to your range.
So, what you seem to be saying is that spine/regen is not over powered as ganking will take them down. Err, you've just proved everyone's point there as everything else in the game has an opposing AT/Build that is their achilles heal. The only thing that bothers spine/regen in one on ones are those who cripple their regen and they can never do that to make a difference before they're killed themselves.
So, we're at an impasse. Either you know some secret technique that makes spine/regen a completely balanced build in relation to the others in the game and everyone else who has played spine/regen in PvP (two of whom have admitted they stopped playing their's because they are so easy) and played against them is wrong. Also, that the countless thousands of hours people have PvP'd against them trying to find how to take them down reliably without overwhelming numbers must have been wasted as no one has discovered how to take them down without using overwhelming numbers(they're hardly balanced if that's the answer)
Or... Every other person posting in this thread is right when they say that only certain builds are even capable of worrying spine/regens and even then it takes more experience to kill one than vice versa or that ganking is the only other answer.
The only question really is why did you post on here if you weren't prepared to have people disagree with you without resorting to calling us lame or whiners as no one here has used the same derogatory terms in replying to you?
I've played spine/regens and they are one of the easiest builds for me to get my rep on and the only other thing that comes close is a stalker, which is exactly what most other people on here have said. Where is the 'balance' there?
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Bridger and if he has done that, you ARE in violation of forum rules, probably the ones regarding flamebaiting given the way you've been posting/
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Human error. I was in no such violation. I was not flaming. I have told you once already and I will tell you again. It's fine to misinterpret the nature of my post but do not presume to state my intentions or tone. You are wrong. Its that simple.
I will not respond on your argument, I didn't even take the time to read it, because as it stands I will not engage in a debate while perfectly well structured and polite posts are being deleted.
Its a matter of principle. I do enjoy discussion on classes greatly, but it seems I wont be allowed to do so here because the general population cannot discern between a powerful arguement and flaming. Yourself included.
Poor moderation has left me very disappointed and ticked off. Which is another reason I will not continue to partake in this discussion because I am not a flamer and I will not let my irritation polute the discussion. So this is my last post on the matter, lets consider it closed and let the topic digress as normal.
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Poor moderation has left me very disappointed and ticked off.
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Poor moderation, no. Limited board software, yes, as explained in my earlier post. There is a distinct difference. Your disappointment is understandable, but please don't attribute it to the wrong cause.
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apparently you cannot read properly
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I think this is the sort of thing that got your previous post deleted. BTW. I doubt anyone here takes issue with you playing a spine/regen anyway.
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I think this is the sort of thing that got your previous post deleted. BTW. I doubt anyone here takes issue with you playing a spine/regen anyway.
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the difference is it was a reponse to a flame, which I am not going to treat with a large amount of respect, no.
I cant remember what you posted before that, but I do remember thinking it was a bit over the top.
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Well it was a prime example last night i was fighting a ice tank and it was still one sided to the tank vs my mastermind. (still got to learn how to pull pets back for bodyguard) however the difference in the fight between the ice tank and the spine scrapper was the time it took for the ice tank to eventually kill me.
The ice tank took a good 30 seconds with a bit of running around before he eventually caught up with me ok the fight was still over pretty quickly but it was a good fight.
The spine scrapper ran in (with super speed) fired the imobilise spine thing before i could even recall my pets i was dead.
Thats the difference in fights, it wouldnt be too bad if the fight was longer but it wasnt i personally think that there should be a cool down on movement powers such as there is with flight.
If super speed was the same as flight in that you were thrown out of speed for a short time then i wouldnt have an issue it would mean that i might have time to recall my pets or fire a heal or somthing.
either way i do not like spine scrappers (with rejuv) and upon encountering them in any pvp zones i leave. Which at the end of the day ruins pvp for me and the spine scrapper.
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If super speed was the same as flight in that you were thrown out of speed for a short time then i wouldnt have an issue it would mean that i might have time to recall my pets or fire a heal or somthing.
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I think you are referring to supression, and all travel powers suffer from it in the same way.
It probably seemed shorter than usual to you because the animation time of impale reduces the apparent suppressed period afterwards.
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Excuse me, but what is the point in holding a debate when almost all of my posts are being deleted?
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If you ever have any concerns over the moderation of these boards, please email me on bridger@ncsoft.com and I'll be happy to discuss the matter.
Normally, I would remove this post as well, but as you chose to raise these points in public rather than with me directly, I feel it's probably best to address your concerns here.
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I have to assume because there were in no way in violation of any forum rule
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On the contrary. One of your posts broke the rules by calling another board member's attitudes 'lame' - a fairly mild insult, but from little insults do great flame wars grow. Another was removed for using bad language.
In addition, there were a couple of later posts that were veering into unpleasantness. Although I was concerned about them, these were not removed intentionally - the moderation tools on these boards automatically remove any replies to a post that is removed. There's nothing I can do about this, other than suggest that board users pay attention to which post they are replying to and avoid replying to posts that they feel are in violation of the rules.
My apologies to those whose perfectly valid posts got caught up in this.
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that simply whoever deleted them didn't like that my arguments were correct.
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I have never - and will never - remove a post from these boards because I personally disagree with the opinions of the poster. Posts are removed only when they violate the rules.
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Yet another tyranical rule of free speech? Welcome to the internet I guess.
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'Censorship' posts are a violation of the Message Board Rules and Guidelines.
Again, if you have a concern about the moderation of these boards, please email me directly at bridger@ncsoft.com and I'll be happy to discuss the matter.
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This will be the last time I engage in any debate on here. I am heavily disappointed.
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I'm sorry to hear this.
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A pathetic display of power abuse when it was not in the least bit required.
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If you wish to make a formal complaint, please send it via email to bridger@ncsoft.com and I will pass it on to my superiors.
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but from little insults do great flame wars grow.
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If you would like me to explain why you are so intensely wrong I would more than oblige you on another platform that isnt this forum. Because here arguments are apparently not allowed.
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Discussions and arguments are allowed. Calling people 'lame' and 'ridiculous' are not.
Keep those sort of derogatory terms out of your posts and they won't get deleted.
As for debating it in another place, why would I? You're the only person in this thread with your opinion and despite some of the most experienced PvP spine/regens in the game saying themselves that they're overpowered, you continue to claim that your opinion is correct when no one else holds it.
If you're not willing to put your arguments up for public debate without resorting to those terms, I have little or no desire to debate in private with you.
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It probably seemed shorter than usual to you because the animation time of impale reduces the apparent suppressed period afterwards.
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Aye, any of the snipe attacks are a great example of this as the suppression is pretty much over as soon as the animation ends, making it seem like they've attacked and sped off almost instantly. Some of the slower travelling ranged powers also give that impression
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some of the most experienced PvP spine/regens in the game saying themselves that they're overpowered
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I wouldn't say overpowered as such, just not as balanced as other sets/combos.
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I think this is the sort of thing that got your previous post deleted. BTW. I doubt anyone here takes issue with you playing a spine/regen anyway.
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the difference is it was a reponse to a flame, which I am not going to treat with a large amount of respect, no.
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Just for future reference - someone else breaking the rules does not give anyone else the right to break them in response.
On these boards, two wrongs do not make a right.
If anyone feels that a post is in violation of the rules or otherwise in need of attention, they should click the small 'Notify Moderator' icon at the bottom of the post in question (it's the third in the 'Post extras:' section, the one that looks like a page of text with a 'cancel' sign over it).
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Yet another tyranical rule of free speech? Welcome to the internet I guess.
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Can we get back to the Spines/* discussion now?
Imo, Impale is the one power in the spines set that imbalances it, turning a scrapper into a blaster.
80' range, immobilise, -fly and toxic damage - base of which is comparable to bitter ice blast - ability to crit and that is some serious damage output.
Wish i had this power on any of my blasters!
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After a handy quick rewording? 
Tbh, with my Empath defender in Sirens, I am very rarely killed, as I have flight/ss/invisi all somehow fitted into the build. So I can make easy escapes from almost all AT's. However, if a Spines stalker come's along, then Impale can -Fly me, and then the DoT prevents me from using Invisi effectively.
Curse you spines!!!
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I dont think the spines is overpowered as Broadsword is much better damage in RV.
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I agree, in lvl 50 pvp the other scrapper sets ahve caught it up with their lvl 32 move, pre level 30 though spines is the biggest hitter and with a ranged attack.
I find it a little sad that so many jump on it, get to early to mid 30s and just use them as an SC tool, spines/regen is an awesome set, it just feels a little tarnished to me now for some reason.
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I rolled a Spines/Regen pretty much as my first character quite some ago, and quite some time before PvP even started to get wedged into the game.
I agree it packs a hell of a punch around the Sirens Call levels.
Personally, I rarely PvP in Sirens' at all these days. Warburg or RV seem to be much more of an interesting playing field, and usually, a somewhat better atmosphere.
If I do PvP, and I happen to play my Scrapper on an infrequent occasion, I'm afraid I'm not going to apologise for it. Complain to the Dev's, not me. I didn't know, and I'm sure a few other more longterm Spines players didn't either, that our characters would apparently be so "devastating" in PvP. I'd like to be able to dust him off an enjoy him once in a while after paying for and playing him for so long already.
Sorry if this sounds curt, but tbh, I'd like to put my hand up as a Spines player labelled wanting "easy kills" or hating "a challenge" and make a point that some of us play and level, and PvP with other alts. I'd go so far to say that I for one have been trying to PvP with some of the more gimpy builds around here and there for a while already 
. Unfortunately, nerf, or no nerf, I'm not one of the people who's going to made to feel dirty or embarrassed playing my Spiney in PvP on the odd occasion I want to, so apologies ahead if it's me that sends one of your characters to the ground/hospital with an Impale. AFAIK I think my PvP "rep" is consistently sat around 2.5 .
Overly defensive I'm sure , apologies. I don't have a problem with FoTM builds or however people want to spend their time and money. A FoTM build in the hands of an attitude-of-the-month player is something else though .
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