PvP - Could it BE more imbalanced?
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Posted on: 2005-12-09 22:26 in Everything about PvP
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It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that Stalkers outnumber all the other villain ATs in SC at the moment.
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Expect this to be permanent. The stalker is basically the only villain AT suitable for PvP.
Brute - No time to build rage
Corruptor - A fancy name for a defender
Dominator - A controller, only less
Mastermind - No punchevoke on pets
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Tell that to Lady Fuya and the other regular villain pvpers who are not stalkers
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That's no doubt true but there is no other way for a stalker to play. They can't stand toe to toe with any other sort of melee type character, they can't cope with ranged attacks. I saw them described earlier in this thread as one trick ponies, that just about sums them up nicely.
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It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that Stalkers outnumber all the other villain ATs in SC at the moment.
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They dont, there are not that many in Sirens Call on defiant at any time. Also you need to bear in mind that they are a new AT and people are trying them out, there used to be loads of Masterminds untill all the heros went straight for them and squished them.
I really dont get why people are always moaning about things, if you are moaning you are not going to ahve a good time, why not relax and have fun, so what if you die you lose nothing, you dont like it, just go. There are plenty of heroes and villains whos powers bug me and I wish they didnt ahve them but I dont moan about it, I deal with it and enjoy my game. Perhaps if people spent less time writing moaning posts, casting offensive tags at everyone who plays one particlar AT and more time playing PVP they may enjoy it more.
So many posts here are basically saying "I dont like this, change it to make me happy" which is a fundamentally selfish view.
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2. Not everyone wants to respec for casual PvPing.
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But if a casual PvPer expects to equal a commited PvPer who has respecced? Your ideas are basically remove any advantage that someone who likes PvP has over someone who doesn't care two hoots.
If a PvP zone normally has ten players and it then goes upto 12 players for an hour. That is the peak period, that has nothing to do with size or wether you think its a peak or mole hill.
WOW, this thread is still going strong, almost as long as that thread in CoV beta when the server went down and we tryed to trash the forums with quote pyramids 
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Please stop trying QUITE to hard to get one over on me. You'll strain yourself.
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heh i not strain at all prolly u getting jumpy though for no reason.
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Do you have any clue what you talking about?
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Yes.
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Obviously not cause most of the things you say are based on assumptions and what you imagine.
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Despite being on at numerous different times I've yet to see anything remotely resembling a *peak*, a small hillock (and that's being generous) perhaps.
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See thats the problem just because not many people when you are on it doesnt mean anything. So traffic assumptions like the one you make is not really valid unless you spend a respectable amount of time in PvP
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Who gives a monkeys what the most represented AT in CoV is? It has nothing to do with this topic.
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It has but you not really see it. The fact that the highest in numbers AT in CoV is the MM means there is a higher probability more and more MM's to come in PvP zones.
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It's like talking to children!
For the hard of understanding, one more time.
1. If you don't know he's there when to do down the yellow insp. You can't keep them running indefinitely.
2. Not everyone wants to respec for casual PvPing.
3. There's not alwats a defender with clear mind on.
4. Not everyone has AoEs
5. And if the stalker's not the bounty target?
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Now because exactly you not seem to learn or just want to repeat the same things or i dunno what let me explain it
1)the insps you cannot run them indefinetely but you can pop them between certain amounts of time. Plus the bounty allows you to buy larger insps if we talk about sirens
2)i never implied you need respec. Plus the leadership pool is not useful for pvp only 
3)yes of course but most of times there are defenders around there at least i seem to find one most of times with PUGs
4)Team up. Pbaoe AT's spend time using them
5)ask who has the stalker as bounty in your team and they track him for you
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I know you work with a PvP tuned character and sit safe behind your hurricane, and maybe have some ppl you regularly pvP with, but many ppl don't and maybe you don't fully appreciate that.
The point is that its not uncommon for every one of your stalker-countermeasures to be either impossible or impractical, or even unreasonable (telling people to go respec is just silly).
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I not need the hurricane to avoid stalkes just so you know i can turn off hurricane and spend all day without it still no AS will be performed. I not mind casual PvPers i mind when they start complaining because full PvP builds start killing them.
I never said go respec plus you not need a respec you are of a level that you still got time to pick some nifty powers to help you Plus people that are at level 50 if you look around when they want to pvp they go respec usually. The majority of the level 50 population that is preparing to pvp is looking for pvp solutions and builds for their toons..so telling to go respec for some pvp at high levels is not insane after all.
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WOW, this thread is still going strong, almost as long as that thread in CoV beta when the server went down and we tryed to trash the forums with quote pyramids
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How many times...its Ziggurats, Pyramids come to a point...
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Oh... OK. But a blaster can 2 shot me from quite far away with 2 damage abilities one after the other and he's not a "n00b hunter"? Right...
PS. No, I'm not a stalker.
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The difference being, I would imagine, is you can *usually* see a blaster coming. Or, to put it another way, they're not ALWAYS invisible and don't neet a fairly elaborate amount of prep work or particular powerset to defeat. I imagine that's why ppl aren't complaining about them.
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Ahh right... add a temporary stealth power to the concept, the fact that most blasters can fly, a spice of lag and buggy game mechanics (not completely bugged, but I still have situations when toons appear and vanish as they please), and you get something even more annoying than a stalker, IMHO. At least you can expect a stalker to attack you when you can't see him. I certainly don't expect that from a blaster.
Also, for your consideration. AFAIK the blasters critical ability kicks in when the baster is low on health, right? So... a low on helth blaster, who switches on build up and aim, does 400% damage, for at least 10 seconds against ANY target. Compare that to a corruptor (who according to the character selection screen in CoV is the villain ranged damage dealer) doesn't have build up, and his criticals land when his ONE TARGET is low on health. Am I the only one who thinks there's something wrong?
Someone could argue that a brute with rage is also getting a good deal of bonus damage against everyone... Well, how often do you see a brute in PvP with a full rage bar, considering it falls to 0 whenever the brute is killed?
PS. Yes, I do realize we're talking about stalkers mostly. But since the thread IS about balance, I'd like to throw some more classes into the general equasion.
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WOW, this thread is still going strong, almost as long as that thread in CoV beta when the server went down and we tryed to trash the forums with quote pyramids
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How many times...its Ziggurats, Pyramids come to a point...
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That was fun!
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WOW, this thread is still going strong, almost as long as that thread in CoV beta when the server went down and we tryed to trash the forums with quote pyramids
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How many times...its Ziggurats, Pyramids come to a point...
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That was fun!
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Attempting to make a thread Ziggurat is wrong!
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It has but you not really see it. The fact that the highest in numbers AT in CoV is the MM means there is a higher probability more and more MM's to come in PvP zones.
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I'm firmly in the "leave the stalkers alone, they're about right' camp. I did say on the beta boards I expected exactly this sort of response to them (I think I even said as much to you TG)... but ...
the comment above is also based on a false assumption (all players are equally likely to PvP, so more MM=more MM PvP).
Right now, if you wander into Siren's call (I can only do this on Union) as a villain, you see 100% of villains in Siren's call are stalkers (yes, both of them).
... based on my limited experience, that's about representative, apart from evenings where it opens up a little. Even then stalkers are far more commonplace than most other toons and disproportionate to their absolute numbers in game. There are far more MMs in game than anything else, but they appear far less in PvP than almost any other AT, because unless you're very good, the key to taking one out is fairly straightforward.
Yes once everyone hits 40 and wants to get kitted out with 43 SOs, I expect to see a huge increase in the number of MMs in PvP zones (Sirens anyway). I do not expect it to last as they are weaker than most at PvP. Brutes, Dominators, Corruptors are all excellent at PvP (well I enjoy them anyway). I can't speak about stalkers, as I'm not playing him until I can make him turn hero ... and then go hunt stalkers in Sirens with him.
I would expect most people with an MM that want to PvP on a regular basis to go away and PL up a stalker alt. I do not expect to see them in PvP zones on a regular basis with their MMs. Either that or go make up a /storm ....
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WOW, this thread is still going strong, almost as long as that thread in CoV beta when the server went down and we tryed to trash the forums with quote pyramids
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How many times...its Ziggurats, Pyramids come to a point...
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That was fun!
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Attempting to make a thread Ziggurat is wrong!
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Whys that?
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They might be for a solo player (your arguments are justified), but having a team in PvP zone is not an unreasonable demand in my opinion. And I feel that is the most important factor.
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It's NOT a matter of having a team. I KEEP trying to stress this point, it's not having a team with the RIGHT skillset.
I mean the PvPers seem to behave like "well if you're not teamed with someone without XXX buffs then that's your own damn fault".
Given the TINY number of players that are generally on there it's not only possible, but almost probable that no one will have the right set of skills.
Couple that to not being able to buy temp powers and then you've got problems.
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They might be for a solo player (your arguments are justified), but having a team in PvP zone is not an unreasonable demand in my opinion. And I feel that is the most important factor.
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It's NOT a matter of having a team. I KEEP trying to stress this point, it's not having a team with the RIGHT skillset.
I mean the PvPers seem to behave like "well if you're not teamed with someone without XXX buffs then that's your own damn fault".
Given the TINY number of players that are generally on there it's not only possible, but almost probable that no one will have the right set of skills.
Couple that to not being able to buy temp powers and then you've got problems.
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PVP is what you make of it, there are those on both sides who throw themselves at overwhelming odds just for the hell of it and ahve a great time messing about in that manner. You can have a great time with the suckiest of PVP powersets so long as you have the right attitude.
You get the situation VERY often in Sirens when a bunch of conrollers come in and lay down some unassailable pbaoes and I wish there were more Doms in the villain side. The team dynamics for villains is MUCH worse than it is for heroes at the minute given that most are still tweaking their characters, lvling and getting through bugged respecs.
If you go into PVP upset that someone else doesnt ahve the powers to amke u unbeatable you wont ahve a good time, same as if you are relying on temp powers.
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They dont, there are not that many in Sirens Call on defiant at any time. Also you need to bear in mind that they are a new AT and people are trying them out, there used to be loads of Masterminds untill all the heros went straight for them and squished them.
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Come on, there's always at least one stalker on, two more commonly, and as I said I've seen 5 villains on, 4 of which are stalkers.
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I really dont get why people are always moaning about things, if you are moaning you are not going to ahve a good time, why not relax and have fun, so what if you die you lose nothing, you dont like it, just go.
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Why are ppl always accusing others of moaning? Hell, say ANYTHING against ANY aspect of PvP and within minutes you be accussed of whining, moaning, complaining etc etc
Exchanging differing viewpoints is generally called a discussion and was what these boads were partly designed for.
Apparently PvP is a special case. There is nothing wrong with PvP at all. The devs got it perfect from the getgo. Anyone who disagrees is a whiny, moany crybaby and is just bitter because they no uber-@-PvP and should stay out of the zone and leave it to the proper PvPers.
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Perhaps if people spent less time writing moaning posts, casting offensive tags at everyone who plays one particlar AT and more time playing PVP they may enjoy it more.
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Oh please. There's a problem with stalkers. You can pretned there isn't if you want, but they are spoiling a lot of ppls PvP experience. Maybe not yours, maybe not TGs and bully for you both. but that doesn't, as MUCH as you try to make it so, take away from the fact that a lot of people are having problems with stalkers. Accusing them as whining and moaning is coming across as nothing less than an attempt to shame them into silence.
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So many posts here are basically saying "I dont like this, change it to make me happy" which is a fundamentally selfish view.
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No more selfish than "I don't mind it, leave it alone."
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But if a casual PvPer expects to equal a commited PvPer who has respecced? Your ideas are basically remove any advantage that someone who likes PvP has over someone who doesn't care two hoots.
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My idea has, and always will be, and has so far been repeated several times, is that EVERYONE should have a chance against everyone else. Even if that chance is purely to get away.
Is that SO unreasonable?
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If a PvP zone normally has ten players and it then goes upto 12 players for an hour. That is the peak period, that has nothing to do with size or wether you think its a peak or mole hill.
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So, if Warburg has zero people and I stick my head in to see what's happening. I'll climb off the helicopter to discover I've arrived during peak time
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Why are ppl always accusing others of moaning? Hell, say ANYTHING against ANY aspect of PvP and within minutes you be accussed of whining, moaning, complaining etc etc
Exchanging differing viewpoints is generally called a discussion and was what these boads were partly designed for.
Apparently PvP is a special case. There is nothing wrong with PvP at all. The devs got it perfect from the getgo. Anyone who disagrees is a whiny, moany crybaby and is just bitter because they no uber-@-PvP and should stay out of the zone and leave it to the proper PvPers.
Oh please. There's a problem with stalkers. You can pretned there isn't if you want, but they are spoiling a lot of ppls PvP experience. Maybe not yours, maybe not TGs and bully for you both. but that doesn't, as MUCH as you try to make it so, take away from the fact that a lot of people are having problems with stalkers. Accusing them as whining and moaning is coming across as nothing less than an attempt to shame them into silence.
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Good post.
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heh i not strain at all prolly u getting jumpy though for no reason.
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For someone who likes to jump up and down and point whilst shouting "that's an assumption" you DO like to make an awful lot of them yourself.
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Obviously not cause most of the things you say are based on assumptions and what you imagine.
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Pot, kettle, black.
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See thats the problem just because not many people when you are on it doesnt mean anything. So traffic assumptions like the one you make is not really valid unless you spend a respectable amount of time in PvP
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I've spent plenty of time in Siren's Call. I gave up on Warburg a few weeks ago. But there's another ASSUMPTION on your part. Although if I knew what "respectable" meant in terms of a numerical value I could tell you, based on your own definition whether my assumption of traffic was valid or not.
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It has but you not really see it. The fact that the highest in numbers AT in CoV is the MM means there is a higher probability more and more MM's to come in PvP zones.
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Means nothing of the sort. Another assumption on your part.
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Ah, so popping the insp at the right time relies solely on LUCK? And that's the advice? Be lucky? 
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Kind of difficult to get it into your build WITHOUT a respec though unless you're below 30th lvl.
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3)yes of course but most of times there are defenders around there at least i seem to find one most of times with PUGs
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Not sure what PUGs means. I've found a defender a few times, enough to consider it "rarely", but not more than that.
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4)Team up. Pbaoe AT's spend time using them
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Again, people with appropriate powers aren't always there.
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5)ask who has the stalker as bounty in your team and they track him for you
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The stalker is NOT always the bounty target.
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I not need the hurricane to avoid stalkes just so you know i can turn off hurricane and spend all day without it still no AS will be performed. I not mind casual PvPers i mind when they start complaining because full PvP builds start killing them.{/quote]
As I said; finely tuned PvP build. TRY to comprehend that we dont all have one.
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I never said go respec plus you not need a respec you are of a level that you still got time to pick some nifty powers to help you
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I'm sure everyone is as grateful as I am for explaining that to us.
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Plus people that are at level 50 if you look around when they want to pvp they go respec usually. The majority of the level 50 population that is preparing to pvp is looking for pvp solutions and builds for their toons..so telling to go respec for some pvp at high levels is not insane after all.
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Unless you're between lvls 30 and 49 then you're buggered, and therin lies my point. The one you seem SO keen to avoid And that is that whilst your advice is good as far as it goes it is easy and COMMON for them not to be achievable (I'm ignoring the respec advice btw). Popping inspirations randomnly can be done anytime but that's a hit and hope strategy that offers as much defence as the auto-brawl (minimal).
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If you go into PVP upset that someone else doesnt ahve the powers to amke u unbeatable you wont ahve a good time, same as if you are relying on temp powers.
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Jeez, no one's asking to be unbeatable. People are asking to not insta-faceplant because there's a stalker on, their a squishy and a team with the right skillset isn't on at the time.
And yes, I know the one hit, one kill is being looked at. Two hit, one kill might be better, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.
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Oh please. There's a problem with stalkers. You can pretned there isn't if you want, but they are spoiling a lot of ppls PvP experience. Maybe not yours, maybe not TGs and bully for you both. but that doesn't, as MUCH as you try to make it so, take away from the fact that a lot of people are having problems with stalkers. Accusing them as whining and moaning is coming across as nothing less than an attempt to shame them into silence.
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and stormies ruin some peoples experience and regens do for other blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry. Plenty of build screw up my stalker and kill it in seconds, I dont whinge because i know I am strong in other areas.
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No more selfish than "I don't mind it, leave it alone."
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I didnt say leave it alone, but the fact is the game devs are so obsesses with tweaking as opposed to fixing the bugs things will get changed and we can do nothing about it, check all the nerfs in the past and ED. The devs dont really listen to us, if they did ED wouldnt ahve happened or would ahve been roled back.
fact is whining about it does nothing so why dont people suck it up and try to enjoy the game?
As for stalkers ruining the game? not nearly as much as incredibly rude people who get upset at being killed and sending offensive and abusive tells. OR people branding ALL players on one AT "noob hunters"
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Thats kinda sarcastic I know but this whole nonsence is becoming soo tedious now...
I dont think its about 'to PvP or not to PvP' anymore or even whether PvP is imbalanced. You and TG seem to be having the same kinda 'to do' on another thread too its reading more personal than anything else. For all TG and I dont see eye to eye; when it comes to the anti-PvP pants I keep reading I do agree with him (remember he PvP's moslty as a hero not a villain (not a stalker))
PVP is NOT imbalance - up till a cpl of weeks ago there were vilains complaining about being outnumbered and out manouvered - where were your derogatory PvP comments then?
Its not a case of saying anyone who doesnt like PvP iswhinging or shaming them into silence - what a rotten thing to type - how can you expect respect if you yourself are not willing to give any? This pigeon-holing of PvP'ers is not fair - you cant back people into a corner and not excpect them o come out fighting. Regular PvP'ers DO know their stuff that the heroes and villains - It IS a case of adapt to teh changes or stay out of thte zones - what else do you think should be done? Regualr PvP'ers are ALWAYS going to be harder to kill then someone new simply because they ARE good at it - kinda goes without saying I would have thought, they build for PvP, but NOT all ppl in there are Regs there are a lot of new converts on both sides, who i sincerely hope are NOT driven away or put off by ridiculous thread like ths one, Its sad to see some of the thing written here, now i know how anyone trying to impliment major changes must have felt - Progress is NOT evil you know - industrial revolution anyone???.
Said it before and say it again stalkers WILL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY - plz refer to States own post on the matter. This whole AT will NOT be removed just to keep some players who cant handle then happy when so many welcome the new AT.
In case you havent noticed the 'bad press' has created an influx of stalkers - I call is the firetank syndrome as it happened to tehm coz of drek and teh outcry over them being overpowered. Not because of Noob hunting - again a rather derogatory and unfair term me thinks as there are bad apples anywhere in this game not just as stalkers or PvP'ers (we dont have 666 tattooed on our heads either BTW)
Stalkers are not immortal - to pinch your line 'For the hard of thinking!!' They CAN and ARE defeated - is that a lil to hard to take in?
We have ALL had to adapt for PvP, each power set had a nemesis kinda idea - tp foe for example; kinetics has increase density which ehlps combat this even TG's hurricaine energy stalkers/brutes/corruptors etc can get through (think that right). And of course AoE's, clear mind, oh and yellow inspirations help against stalkers.
Its not impossible so why make it out to be such a difficult thing?
Your out of your comfort zone with a build you played well in PvE - so were most of us at first, I know I was, i never used teh arenas before but had a free respec there so used it wisely (something worht baring in mind IF you want to PvP regardless of what some might think). There ARE ways to fight EVERY AT, it bugs me some still dont seem to get that.
Some of the regular PvPe'ers HAVE shown ways to beat stalkers, some of them ARE stalkers and are selling trade secrets and yet the bandwagon goes on......
Season of goodwill to all players??
Bah Humbug!!
At the end of the day - I kill more stalkers than kill me. I have been killed twice by stalkers and I must have killed about 15 of them.
If I can kill them, then anyone can (who hasn't chosen bad pvp powers) with the right powers.
I can see most of them, I can out manauver most of them and I can out think most of them. There are very few stalkers that escape all 3 of those categories (think of a ven diagram folks).
Stalkers are like the noob PvP's champion. Easy to build an effective noob killer stalker, but up against a player that knows what they are doing, stalkers have a very hard time indeed.
And yes, this is another 'you suck if you can't handle stalkers' because its true. But then again, its easier to say that an AT is overpowered than to admit that you suck monkey twanger.
The point where you first avoid being one shotted from a hidden foe is when you are chooing your powers, not when you are stood in the middle of sirens call expecting a fair fight! Your chance at a fair fight is when picking your powers. You get the wrong ones and its TS mo fo.
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Oh please. There's a problem with stalkers. You can pretned there isn't if you want, but they are spoiling a lot of ppls PvP experience. Maybe not yours, maybe not TGs and bully for you both. but that doesn't, as MUCH as you try to make it so, take away from the fact that a lot of people are having problems with stalkers. Accusing them as whining and moaning is coming across as nothing less than an attempt to shame them into silence.
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I not pretend anything the problem is not in the stalkers the problem is with some of the players that simply dont know how to counter a stalker. FYI i not PvP with my troller only but with a defender as well that has no hurricane only empathy and 2 attacks. I still have no issues with stalkers. And that has nothing to do with skill it has to do with actually knowing what a stalker is supposed to do and thinking what to do to counter that.
Sounds harsh?well it is harsh but most of the people complaining dont sit down to think what they can do about it. Stalkers are going to be nerfed only because people whine and nothing else. They are just fine. I not need pretend anything i say what i think always and support it till i am convinced is otherwise. And still if i am convinced i will admit i was wrong and thats it. But as far as stalkers goes some people simply dont sit down to see what they can do about it. If i can be a pain with an Empathy Defender for a stalker i am sure many more can do the same. HAve you seen the rest of the PvP posts?There is a player with ill/empath troller that was flamed in the PvP zone for spamming clear mind and helping others by stalkers who couldnt do their work. And he has no PvP build. AN EMPATH. And this person was about to quit PvP zones cause of that. Is the attitude of some people who are bunch of whiners and nothing more when they lose that causes issues and lots of problems. You want to solo PvP? Arena is open start issuing challenges. You go in PvP zone with no team?well sorry but you are asking for it.
I not attempt to shame to silence anyone, everyone is free to express their opinion but when i see comments like noob hunters for a whole AT and people not being able to follow simple info that will help you in the PvP zones then of course its whining.
As for what ruins the game its the people that not do nothing else but whine uppon entering the zone
"OMG i was typing"
"OMG why u use hide!!i can't see you"
"OMG why i cant't hit you!!! turn that off cheater!!!"
"OMG why u pop insps i almost had you you cheater!!!"
"OMG why u kill me!!???? i was fighting mobs!"
"OMG you sux all you do is hide"
"OMG i am invincible i will kill u all!! WHAM!!!you cheaters !!! how u kill me!!??"
"OMG i press alt+f4 but you dont die??they told me this works for sure!?"
Thats what spoils the fun. As far as me saying to people staying out of PvP zones yes i have to the ones that cant take it being beaten should stay out or learn to PvP cause apparently they get their fun only by winning.
I have been killed,ganked,tp ed on mobs/turrets/booths and all kinds of stuff i always have a good laugh and yes i might whine on some but in the end is good fun cause it pumps my will to try harder.
Now as far as the rest i will sit back and relax and wait what the Devs will do and once they nerf the stalkers they will see an AT go to waste cause it will become even more cannon fodder than it already is.
Finally Innigo if you want PvP lessons cause you obviously need them we deliver every day feel free to contact us.I can teach you how to use insps as well cause obviously you seem to think popping isps is based on luck. I am sure when you pop accuracy inspiration in PvE is also by luck because you know you are going to miss right? Well we can teach you how to use insps any day
Well while I have a stalker, haven't actually PvP'd on it. However have done a fair amount of PvP on both my corruptor and my dominator. Chunk of the time people just arent happy about being really badly beaten by someone.
Good thing to remember tho, is that some of the people out there are really helpful and quite friendly (its a game after all, and we all out to have fun!). I know my first outing into sirens, I was all geared up to go and destroy heroes with my uber villain powers........ok so it went horribly wrong....repeatedly. So I asked one of the folks there if I could test some stuff out, see where I was going wrong. (Was warshad-obot as it happened). A couple of respecs later, suddenly am doing loads better. When I noticed that I killed Spurr a couple of times, I had a good chat with him and let him shoot me a bunch. After all playing against folks who can kill you is much more fun.
Lol I even congratulate folks on killing me if it was a good job.
Equally I went into sirens on a dominator built with PvP in mind, and sadly received some abusive tells, because I wouldnt stay and "fight".
Oh and my best pvp experience, a big hero and villain party on the beach in sirens after a big fight. Everyone sat aorund chatting Of course some new folks came into the zone and tried to jump us and got nuked, then told off by their own side for being rude........most funny
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and stormies ruin some peoples experience and regens do for other blah, blah, blah, cry, cry, cry. Plenty of build screw up my stalker and kill it in seconds, I dont whinge because i know I am strong in other areas.
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Where are all the threads about regens and trollers ruining ppls PvP experience?
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I didnt say leave it alone, but the fact is the game devs are so obsesses with tweaking as opposed to fixing the bugs things will get changed and we can do nothing about it, check all the nerfs in the past and ED. The devs dont really listen to us, if they did ED wouldnt ahve happened or would ahve been roled back.
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Regardless what they say ED was about the PvP aspect of the game and I can see why. I can only really speak about regen scrappers but if PvP was going on without ED I can tell you my toon would be almost unkillable. With dull pain running permanently, fast heal and health six-slotted and a big ole Reconstruction in the wings. It'd take three stalkers to bring me down, no tank could touch me. Brutes? Nothing to worry about there.
And that, frankly, wouldn't be right. So whilst the devs might be claiming that ED was nothing to do with PvP (Of course they wouldn't consider lying to the majority of their customers who only PvE to prevent an outcry that the game was being modified because of some game aspect they don't use, right?) the timing and the fact that an awful lot of toons became a lot more squishy suggest otherwise.
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fact is whining about it does nothing so why dont people suck it up and try to enjoy the game?
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See posting concering attempt to shame into silence.
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As for stalkers ruining the game? not nearly as much as incredibly rude people who get upset at being killed and sending offensive and abusive tells.
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They are rubbish, but then you can always chose to ignore them.
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OR people branding ALL players on one AT "noob hunters"
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Did I hit a tender spot 
That's how the AT is coming across, and not just to me. Now stop whining about it and suck it up
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The point where you first avoid being one shotted from a hidden foe is when you are chooing your powers, not when you are stood in the middle of sirens call expecting a fair fight! Your chance at a fair fight is when picking your powers. You get the wrong ones and its TS mo fo.
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The victorious army wins, and then seeks battle; the losing army seeks battle then attempts to win ...?
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The point is that its not uncommon for every one of your stalker-countermeasures to be either impossible or impractical, or even unreasonable (telling people to go respec is just silly).
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They might be for a solo player (your arguments are justified), but having a team in PvP zone is not an unreasonable demand in my opinion. And I feel that is the most important factor.
..I'm still exploring how to have this fun in PVP myself..