Farming is boring but standing at WW looking for niches isn't? lol. Ok.... Different strokes i guess. Personally, i like using the powers i play the game to get. Maybe Hasten will help the recipes drop in WW faster.... Who knows?
The system is what it is. People willing to spend an hour every now and then working the market are always going to be able to get what they want faster than the person who farms the wall the get what they want. And, as has been mentioned previously, lots of folks do both. Do you really think that people do nothing but stare at Wentworths?
No matter what the system is, there will always be people willing to put in the effort to maximize their gains.
I am upset I was enjoying Comic Con and missed this thread.
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Farming is boring but standing at WW looking for niches isn't?
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Most of my best niches were discovered while checking out recipe drops from running missions.
The game found them for me, all I did was cash in.
I also enjoy farming, but it's a much bigger time and energy commitment than printing money on the market.
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I am upset I was enjoying Comic Con and missed this thread.
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Don't be. I'd have much rather have been there, than in this thread.
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Farming is boring but standing at WW looking for niches isn't? lol. Ok.... Different strokes i guess. Personally, i like using the powers i play the game to get. Maybe Hasten will help the recipes drop in WW faster.... Who knows?
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Yes. To me, hitting the same couple of buttons over and over on hilariously weak mobs that present no challenge to me at all is vastly more boring than playing around at wentworths for 5 minutes and then heading off to roleplay for a few hours with my SG while my bids fill.
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I am upset I was enjoying Comic Con and missed this thread.
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Don't be. I'd have much rather have been there, than in this thread.
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QFT. Maybe there will be an epic fail thread I can miss at PAX in a month.
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The City of Heroes market/economy is a super simple economy. If anything, it's too easy to apply economic theory.
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This^^^^^^^this this this gosh-bless-it-this.
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Amazing how everyone in this section of the forums knows everything.....ever. even in the old PvP forums I;ve never seen a bunch of folks so full of themselves.
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You know why? It's because it's like looking at a watch with two gears in it. You'd have to be deliberately and willfully ignorant, and work your [censored] off, to ignore everything in front of your face. Why do people in here talk like they think they know what is going on? Because it's obvious! Why do we agree with each other so often? Because it's so easy to see.
Seriously, are you actually playing the "The entire world has gone mad, and I'm the only one sane one left!"
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There you go sweety I fixed it, thanks for posting something so irrelevant to the topic. It also holds true that this is not an english paper, and you are not an english professor, and if you were I would advise that you focus on grading papers not online board posts. But then again, time makes fools of us all. Whatever you need to fill your (success) ego balloon.
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"You're like Giraffe's, the way you look down on me, with your vegetarian scorn."
In the end we fed this thread, with opinions that really don't matter since the market still flourishes. Someone can get angry or be happy, doesn't matter, people sell and even more people buy. Though I agree JD is pulling for the "victim" card, over what he thinks is too much. A guy who can make 150 mil or 1 billion, shouldn't really be complaining, in fact, he should be at the end of that line. I still wonder though why people reply to posts they don't like with anger as is they lost something?. Maybe I'm just crazy and everyone is sane...
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You have a point there.
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There you go sweety I fixed it, thanks for posting something so irrelevant to the topic. It also holds true that this is not an english paper, and you are not an english professor, and if you were I would advise that you focus on grading papers not online board posts. But then again, time makes fools of us all. Whatever you need to fill your (success) ego balloon.
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It isn't ego, it's just very difficult to read. At least for me it is.
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I did notice the price of Costume Wings drop dramatically when no one bought them for the laughable price of 14mil.
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... or else it was this. But hey, don't stop ranting on my account.
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There you go sweety I fixed it, thanks for posting something so irrelevant to the topic. It also holds true that this is not an english paper, and you are not an english professor, and if you were I would advise that you focus on grading papers not online board posts. But then again, time makes fools of us all. Whatever you need to fill your (success) ego balloon.
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Thank you, precious, for fixing your errors. It is much easier to take you seriously when I don't have to muddle through incoherent writing. If you are so concerned about material of substance being posted, perhaps you could contribute some instead of being patronizing.
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... or else it was this. But hey, don't stop ranting on my account.
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Silly, Fulmens. *Everybody* knows the reason prices came down is because the evil marketeers were thwarted by the holding out of influence on the part of the general populace, not the increased drop rate of the recipes. /sarcasm
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... or else it was this. But hey, don't stop ranting on my account.
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Yeah, that one slays me every time. Two gears, people, two gears.
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No it wasn't the evil marketeers it was the RMTers and everyone who plays content on AE. AE and RMTers have broken CoH.
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1) With the exception of costume recipes (which are cosmetic only and don't change any game function), every patch that the devs have put into place that have any thing at all to do with "loot" and the market have been to make the best "loot" more rare not less rare.
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the MA was massively over rewarding tickets and by extrapolation "leet loot."
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I guess the TL;DR version of this is "They make changes both ways. Saying they ONLY lower supply is inaccurate."
Three instances:
1) Adding magic salvage to Council and DE did nothing except make "leet loot" more common. Before you say "Salvage isn't what I mean" consider that in the I9 timeframe if you wanted an Impervium Armor: Resistance, you spent three times as much on the Enchanted Impervium as you did on the recipe. I picked up several Psi Resistances for a million each, and the salvage was MUCH higher. My point is that while the juicy items have changed as the market changed, those counted as leet loot at ONE point. And supply has gone up repeatedly on them.
2) Adding tickets BY ITS NATURE makes "leet loot" more common. It removes trash and replaces it with treasure. Your points in 3b, i through iv, are true and not going anywhere.
3) The devs weighted the Rare Recipe drop table so you get about 50% more of the good stuff. People on Test who did hundreds of rolls went from "40% good, 60% crap" to "60% good, 40% crap" .
They've made things tougher in some ways, easier in others, and sometimes they did it on purpose. But it hasn't been a one-way ratchet, Knight.
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I never said it was a one-way ratchet but it has been much more of a 2 steps forward 3 steps back process and the places that move forward have been minor ones and the OP is looking for major ones.
Costume recipes are cosmetic and don't really affect game function so no skin off the dev's noses by increasing the drop rates.
Merits were a huge nerf to Market Supply and the little bit of rebalance and merit increases in later issues were a drop in the bucket of going back the other direction.
Making council and DE drop arcane salvage was also a drop in the bucket since it only increased arcane supply by 50% for the players that actually went after those type mobs and DE were (in their own way) all ready as hard CoT or Carnies that drop exclusively arcane.
The points I made about tickets are here to stay.... at least for the short term. Tickets over reward and the devs know it. That's why all the huge changes and the drama over it.
I'd expect to see ticket rewards still in line for the nerf bat except for the sticky little problem of doing so to eliminate/reduce the farms also has the same unfortunate effect on the rewards for story based content that the MA was designed for and would reduce the intended reward below the level of dev created non-MA content and make the use of the MA a rewards penalty for the players that wish to use it as it was intended.
This post by Castle makes me sure that they are still very aware of the situation but may not have an idea of what to do to solve that sticky little problem. I'd bet that as soon as they come up with a way to make a change that hits the high end at the same time that it brings up the low end (rather like the dom changes) that the points I made on tickets will be changing and no longer valid.
As far as drop table weighting goes it's still a half measure. If the drop tables had been "balanced" instead of "weighted" we'd have gone from 40% good stuff, 60% junk to all of it being good stuff since the demand for each category would be met by identical levels of supply across all categories. There wouldn't be "junk" areas that are over supplied.
The devs only took us from "far too much junk" levels down to "too much junk" levels.
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Ticket by their nature "over reward"- they concentrate drop potential and let you focus it wherever you want. Either that's working as intended or the devs have a collective room temp IQ.
I do think the mania for AE farming took them by surprise- maybe they didn't quite grasp how much more efficient tickets were? Or underestimated its attractiveness to incoming players?
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Well, except for the famous Posi quote that they were supposed to be in high demand and command "top prices", or whatever the actual wording was.
That was a pure botch all the way round.
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Silly, Fulmens. *Everybody* knows the reason prices came down is because the evil marketeers were thwarted by the holding out of influence on the part of the general populace, not the increased drop rate of the recipes. /sarcasm
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Well, duh. thats how the Great Thomas Washington beat the Stamp beer Act and told the Britainese to get off our American lawn in 1492.
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Knight: I believe the weighting is on a 1-to-5 scale based on popularity at the time of the weighting, with some fudge factors added in. You're 5 times as likely to roll a LoTG: Recharge as a Trap of the Hunter triple.
How much more imbalance would you like them to add?
You can call a 50% increase (over "all good recipes") a drop in the bucket if you like. I see it as "half a bucket in the bucket" myself.
On the salvage side, I think the most expensive tech rare was about 100K before the change; it went up to half a million or a million. I don't remember the arcane prices but I think high-end arcanes went down by half a million or a million.
And on the costume side... well, I agree that costumes parts are fairly minor. That's why I didn't mention them in this context.
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And on the costume side... well, I agree that costumes parts are fairly minor. That's why I didn't mention them in this context.
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I'm still bitter about it.
>:E
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On the salvage side, I think the most expensive tech rare was about 100K before the change; it went up to half a million or a million. I don't remember the arcane prices but I think high-end arcanes went down by half a million or a million. this context.
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Not a very important quibble, but Platinum was hovering in the 4-7M range, and Chronal Skips were 3-5M.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Whoa man, I'm not saying you wouldn't or couldn't but don't you think there is a difference between confidence and drink too much of your own cool aide?
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<ahem> The correct spelling is Kool-Aid. This is a common practice - deliberately spell a word wrong so it's a new word and trademark it. This is why Miller has 'Artic Ice' and we have 'Infiniti' cars.
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