The Fightclub Police: Now Recruiting
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Posted on: 2009-07-23 05:21 in Everything about PvP
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Originally Posted by Silit
You are a giraffe. Your neck is huge, son.
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You make the forums worth reading good sir. Well played.
Duel me.
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No idea who you are talking about, I can only assume that your wonderful manners, intelligence and skill for debating has been discovered by others in the past.| This is really getting old. At this point you are just spewing out statements so rampantly incorrect that I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually Hot Heals in disguise trying to annoy me. |
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| -An ultimatum doesn't require a time period |
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| You seem to like the idea of letting fightclubbers participate in PvP while using their own made up set of rules |
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| -Non-commissioned police officers are categorized as civilians under state law. |
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| The giraffe comment was not an attempt at humor. You are a giraffe. Your neck is huge, son. |
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| If you are really looking for a serious non-slinging-back-and-forth debate on the matter of interupting fightclub duels, I'd actually welcome it. |
Fightclubbing only effects the ones that are involved, if they left the zone to PD the zone would be empty, why not allow the 2 or 3 mins duel for the sake of a busy zone.
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No, it really doesn't.|
Originally Posted by Donna_
Fightclubbing only effects the ones that are involved, if they left the zone to PD the zone would be empty, why not allow the 2 or 3 mins duel for the sake of a busy zone. |
Point in question, last night I logged in my Ill/Emp to have some fun in RV.
I got invited to a team with seven (!) Regen Scrappers (!). So I putz around a bit, going to where the green arrows are representing my teammates. I find one of them and start casting AB/Fortitude/Clear Mind/Green RA to help out.
Scrapperd00d (raging): "NO BUFFS WE ARE DOOLING!!!!"
Me: "But you invited an Emp to your team, don't you want to be stronger?"
Scrapperd00d: "DUEL! NO BUFFS OR INSPS!"
Ooookay.
So I wander off, get hit by a few Impales, find more of my teammates duelling near the hospital. I proceed to rebuff them etc, throw Blind, drop PA, same thing. Mad rage at me doing my job despite being invited to a team to do so.
Ah, you ask HOW this hurts me at all?
How about the fact that a team with seven freaking Regens got not a single kill outside of some Tarantula? Not a single rep point gained, not a single chance for a PvP drop, nada.
If those 7 players had spiked one or two targets and say, defeated them (I know, crazy talk...) there would have been MORE fights and MORE PvP instead of the tortoise-paced combat that occurred.
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Yeah I guess you're right. There is no way for a fite klubber to avoid being ganked since they have to duel in zone. Too bad there isn't a place to go where they control the environment. A place where they couldn't be bothered by FCP, or anyone else for that matter. A place where you can choose your own map, maybe even set your own rules.|
Originally Posted by Donna_
You missed my point, I am not saying do not attack people in Zones. I am criticizing the rallying of troops to activley go out your way to harrass players. The part of the EULA I am referring to has to do with conduct. I understand you think I am condoning fight clubs, but that is not what I am doing. The point I am making is that Silit should not be promoting a greif squad to pick on certain players that annoy him. You wouldn't like it if the tables were turned, for example everytime you want to do a TF there was someway that another player that for some reason it annoyed could actively disrupt it. I know there isn't but my point is the same.
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Oh wait...
Neuronia, I agree that is stupid. Maybe the calibur of duels stateside from here on union are different, that scenario would wind me up to as one of my main toons is an Ill/Emp.
Smeghead, I see what you are trying to sarcastically say, but if it were my choice you couldn't get me to arena if you tried. Dunno what it is but I hate the place, I don't PvP anywhere other than Rv.
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Actually Donna, I'm not American either and in other parts of the world besides the usa the line between civilian and the law is dictated by the majority, in America they have a voting body(Congress) provided by the ppl for the ppl and thus makes them a democracy. So if the majority decide to impose and inforce law, the minority is just subject to that law if they coexsist in the area, that said law is imposed. This thing we have here in cox would most closely resemble a dictatorship, as no voted in governing body created these laws, a minority faction known as fite klubbers, created rules to be observed, like don't interupt our duels, no inspiration usage during fights, no accolades or temps, so on and so forth.|
Fightclubbing only effects the ones that are involved, if they left the zone to PD the zone would be empty, why not allow the 2 or 3 mins duel for the sake of a busy zone. |
The fite klub police would moreso resemble resistance fighters, a group of ppl great in numbers, that do not agree with the fite klub doctrine, so they choose to go against the minority in this case, the fite klubbers.----I'm funny with jokes i know :P
But on a serious note, you were wrong when you said, it don't effect us and why not allow a 2-3 min duel. First off 99% of all duels are melee and they never last under 5min, and if they are decently built toons, your looking at 10-20min. Now in that 10-20min span, all those who we let live and participate freely in this activity diminishes our chances to get pvp IO's even further, that 20min could have increased the % of drops. Also not killing the duelist diminishes our chances even further, why should we let someone eles get the drop possibility if we can ourselves? And haven't we all suffered enough from things that diminish us?
By that same logic if they leave, and go to the arena they are not present so you can't miss what is not their, it cuts down on the zone chatter/distractions. And everyone that would have sat and watched the duel, will not be so eagar to take the trip to the arena just to see the fight, thus showing they are not truely dedicated to the fite klub cause, just attracted by the shiny lights.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
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But still, why do you want zones emptier than they are?
FCP will cause players to flee zones rather than engage in PvP,
You may get another 1% of a drop, or, you may just alienate a player
that would otherwise have participated, so 20 mins vs career in pvp?
For the sake of 20 mins(max) i'd rather zones were populated.
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One thing you will learn, these fite klubbers we face have thick skins, the more you spike them all you do is insight their trash talk and make them actually feel better. Yes it's true, you here comments like "You better have had six ppl with you"|
Originally Posted by Donna_
But still, why do you want zones emptier than they are?
FCP will cause players to flee zones rather than engage in PvP, You may get another 1% of a drop, or, you may just alienate a player that would otherwise have participated, so 20 mins vs career in pvp? For the sake of 20 mins(max) i'd rather zones were populated. |
"You noobs needed the help, you can't beat me alone"
"LOL it took 8 of them to kill me"
"Gank moar plz"
The list is endless, so they will be ok i think, and we will be ok because we get our drops.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
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Not really. Hot Heals was my 2v2 partner from i12 - an amazing 2v2 Emp and Rad/psi... also the biggest griefer in coh. As for my manners, do understand that this is a joke-thread. I never intended it to be the spot for serious remarks regarding the morality of interupting fightclub duels, lol (I really am a nice person :O)| No idea who you are talking about, I can only assume that your wonderful manners, intelligence and skill for debating has been discovered by others in the past. |
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Originally Posted by Donna_
But still, why do you want zones emptier than they are?
FCP will cause players to flee zones rather than engage in PvP, You may get another 1% of a drop, or, you may just alienate a player that would otherwise have participated, so 20 mins vs career in pvp? For the sake of 20 mins(max) i'd rather zones were populated. |
I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on our definitions of ultimatums. Debating them doesn't seem to be in any of our interests.
As for us wanting to empty zones: We don't. Maybe fightclubbing in the EU is truely a different spectacle. On the US servers, fightclubbers are often thought of as obnoxious and unfriendly players who fill up broadcast chat with hideous attempts at trash talk. These players are known to relentlessly harrass other players while asking them for duels. When the fightclubber is asked to go to an arena, he will generally dodge-out by saying things like "lol arean is 4 noubs just ppl who use inspir and run around". The stereotypical fightclubber would demand that a blaster stay in melee range with his brute, and never use powers like phase/hibernate/anything-that-will-result-in-the-brute-losing. The fightclubber will say GF after a win, but scorn his opponent for cheating when he loses.
Obviously, not all people who participate in fightclub duels are like this. After all, it only takes one guy saying "U NOUBS R 2 SCARE TO FIGHT ME 1v1 SO U NEED TO GANK WOW AND USE INSPIR" to make the others look bad. It's as they say though: One who lays down with dogs will rise up with fleas. There are some nice and intelligent people who participate in these duels - these generally aren't the avid fightclubbers who would get seriously offended if someone were to interupt their duels.
To the point: The serious fightclub crowd would not stop comming to PvP zones because their duels are being interupted. They need the e-glory to satisfy their own insecurity.
As for alienating a player who may be discouraged from participating in PvP because his duel was interupted: there is just as much potential that the player would stop PvPing because he was berated by a fightclubber for losing/winning/doing anything outside the fightclubber's made up set of rules.
The simplest point of the matter is this: If a fightclubber won't do his duels in the arena he can do them in a PvP zone at his own risk. If I go into a PvP zone I will attack whatever and whoever I can. Whether or not they are pretending to be dueling is irrelevent.
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Look, Donna, let me put this plainly. Duels don't belong in open PvP zones like RV, Siren's Call or Warburg. Duels belong in the Arena, that is what Arena was made for. |
Originally Posted by Donna_
Neuronia, I agree that is stupid. Maybe the calibur of duels stateside from here on union are different, that scenario would wind me up to as one of my main toons is an Ill/Emp.
Smeghead, I see what you are trying to sarcastically say, but if it were my choice you couldn't get me to arena if you tried. Dunno what it is but I hate the place, I don't PvP anywhere other than Rv. |
Telling player A that they can't attack players B or C in an open PvP zone because player B and C are Dueling, is directly interfering with the fun of Player A. If player B and C do not want to engage others in PvP in an open PvP zone they can go to arena.
Now, do I agree with Silit and the other PvPers with how they deal with Duels in open PvP zones? No, but then I could careless about PvP. I'm just a farmer in a farm zone that gets yelled at by PvPers because they get too close to my farm equipment.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
But still, why do you want zones emptier than they are?
FCP will cause players to flee zones rather than engage in PvP, You may get another 1% of a drop, or, you may just alienate a player that would otherwise have participated, so 20 mins vs career in pvp? For the sake of 20 mins(max) i'd rather zones were populated. |
Lol a career? In a game?
Seriously just stop typing, and go QQ in a corner emo kid.
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I'd rather have less people in the zone, and have those people be intelligent PvPers, than have two dozen people in the zone, and have all two dozen be standing around watching (i.e. doing nothing - not gaining rep, not getting inf/drops, nothing) two or three people hitting each other in melee range until someone dies. That's not fun, that's stupid and boring and a waste of time.|
Originally Posted by Donna_
But still, why do you want zones emptier than they are?
FCP will cause players to flee zones rather than engage in PvP, You may get another 1% of a drop, or, you may just alienate a player that would otherwise have participated, so 20 mins vs career in pvp? For the sake of 20 mins(max) i'd rather zones were populated. |
I'm sorry you're offended that I choose to attack enemy players in a zone where the explicit purpose of the zone's existence is to attack enemy players. I'm sorry you're offended that I do not need to observe the arbitrary and made-up rules two people have put in place between themselves. I'm sorry you're offended by me telling you there is a place you can go to duel uninterrupted. I'm sorry you're offended that I play by the rules.
Just as a heads-up, there's a new command (/arenalist) in I16 which can be used to create and join an arena match from anywhere in the game, and when you're finished you will be teleported right back where you came from. If you refuse to use the resources given to you to avoid being interrupted when dueling, then you have zero right to complain when you're interrupted.
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lol| (I really am a nice person :O) |
anyways...did Donna just said something about honour? Where did i hear it again? OMG wait...I R TRU WARRIUR iSMASH iCRUSH...
On serious note, dude, i can tell you what is griefing against EULA whne people organize CC in AP and some cold defender comes and put ice shields on everyone and turns arctic fog on ...OR abuses confuse power in Rv and comes to AP to kill noobs (old good times :<).
Killing other players in pvp zones is NOT griefing. When i enter RV i auto accept agreement that i would get attacked in pvp zone, mostlikely it is the main reason i actually enter this zone anyway. I come here to kill people, i like chaos, i like pvp IOs, i don't like trash talk i hear from honoured warrrrriiiiuuurrrsss though. Please, don't take MY right for fun (as long as i don't go against the GAME rules) just because some minority feels like RPing a spartan and stroke their e-peen.
Yes, one could assume it is a griefing however it is not true due players actually having possibilty to have their duels in arena w/o interruptions. Now guess what, i don't see any FC Police members getting banned (even if some players promised me to bann me) but i actually had enough material said to me from FCers to get them perma banned for harassment. So who is the griefer here at the end? Me trying to pvp in pvp zone or FCers making up rules, taking away my fun and for most part verbally harassing me. I feel griefed, I REPORT!
And for FC Police part, let's be honest pvp is so retarded now that RP and chat pvp is kind of only fun left. FCers RP spartans, why can't i RP exchange cadet from Pluton in the services of FC Police then?
P.S. oh and i forgot..guess what? I am not from US either and as long as i play on US servers i am pretty sure i gotta follow US Servers rules. You can't just go to other country and enforce own rules.
Well ty Silit, that was a nice response...
I have actually thought for a while about tranferring 1 account to the American servers, any ideas how I would get onto Freedom? Can I toon transfer? or would I need a new account?
We are probably debating while thinking about 2 different experiences.
If what you say is true and the fightclubbers are like that I can imagine that it would be very frustrating.
lol btw Tokyo, anything that stands in the way of farming should be banned. I have had many a warning because I get too "passionate" about defending farmers :P
Kry0s, em.... try to stick to the grain of the post perhaps... If the tone lightens are people are not shouting and blazing at each other its silly to post something like go QQ emo kid.
Anyhow, what I'm saying is... I'm gonna try get to your Rv, It may even sway my judgement on the topic, who knows. 
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
I honestly don't know anything about transfering from EU servers to the US ones. Someone could probably help you out if you posted in another section of the forums.
While my post may sound very condescending toward the fightclub mentality, I can assure you that it's not an elitist perspective. Many moons ago I was a fightclubber myself (and I was champion!!).
It's not as if fightclubbers sat down and thought up rules like "NO INSPS" and "STAND STILL" because they were percieved as fair. These rules were invented whenever 'X player with huge ego' lost his duel. He would blame any tangible or visible variable, as long as he didn't have to admit defeat. Naturally, the blame would be thrown toward his opponent's build or playstyle.
TLDR AUTOBIOGRAPHY INCOMMING (cool story brah)
I was the king of protector fightclubs on my kat/regen scrapper - until Mr. Poisen Spiner came along. I had always been into casual arena from i4-i5, and had done fightclub duels in the arena on a fairly regular basis. In i5, Poisen Spiner beat me 1-0 (spines/regin vs kat/regin). He used inspirations, I didn't. Could I have whined about his playstyle and pretended that I was the better? Sure. For whatever reason, I didn't. I think I realized that he knew way more about regens and the dynamics of the game than I did. So, I asked for some tips, and Mr. P. Spiner, with a few other arena pros took me under their wings and showed me the ropes.
And now, here I am: the worst blaster in CoH, and member of DR.
This thread almost makes me want to roll a DB/Regen and fite liek a tru warrir...........almost.
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True story a db/reg is unbeatable using fight club rules, i used to fite klub in i12 i ashamed to say, and the worst part it was fun sometimes depending on who it was. It wasn't any AE warriors back then, and for the most part on my old home triumph the competition was pretty good. I too had a good run in duels and the only opponent i couldn't kill was that damn power fist lol we had a draw. But other than him i never suffered a loss on my bs/reg. Then i13 dropped and changed not only the competition level, but my perspective on pvp. I was a test ladder team pvpr that sneaked in an occasional fite klub match from time to time. Than i13 came and most of my best competitors, friends, quit in anger, and in order to enjoy pvp i fled to freedom, where atleast they had numbers. I used to come their to duel with certain toons, because some of the best arena fighters used to be their, little did i know i would have almost all my toons their now.
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Originally Posted by Boomie
This thread almost makes me want to roll a DB/Regen and fite liek a tru warrir...........almost.
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The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
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i16 Patchnotes:
Arena
Players may now use the Arena menu option or the /arenalist command to access the Arenas from any location.
I don't think transfer from EU servers is possible, you could try to ask CS (sometimes they are surprisingly helpfull) but knowing few people from UK that moved to US server i would say you gotta create new account.
It used to be possible way back in the day. That's how one got the "passport" badge (or going from US to EU, I tend to forget). I believe they disabled that option quite a while ago though.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
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With ae just rerolling is a breeze, i rolled toons i would have never rolled if it wasnt for ae. LOl like my pb I'm working on i hate them but just for the sake of saying i pvped with one i'm a do it, i'm even going to accolade and purple him and stuff lol, i never roll a half *** toon even if it's just an experiment.|
Originally Posted by Donna_
Well ty Silit, that was a nice response...
I have actually thought for a while about tranferring 1 account to the American servers, any ideas how I would get onto Freedom? Can I toon transfer? or would I need a new account? We are probably debating while thinking about 2 different experiences. If what you say is true and the fightclubbers are like that I can imagine that it would be very frustrating. lol btw Tokyo, anything that stands in the way of farming should be banned. I have had many a warning because I get too "passionate" about defending farmers :P Kry0s, em.... try to stick to the grain of the post perhaps... If the tone lightens are people are not shouting and blazing at each other its silly to post something like go QQ emo kid. Anyhow, what I'm saying is... I'm gonna try get to your Rv, It may even sway my judgement on the topic, who knows. |
And actually, you come help us fight crime i'll pl you myself, hero or vill side lol.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
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Police Bribe !| And actually, you come help us fight crime i'll pl you myself, hero or vill side lol. |
Now your talking, :P lol
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I prefer to make ATs that are supposedly not "PvP viable" and then roll FOTMs in RV while laughing my *** off in broadcast.|
Originally Posted by Ravens_NA
With ae just rerolling is a breeze, i rolled toons i would have never rolled if it wasnt for ae. LOl like my pb I'm working on i hate them but just for the sake of saying i pvped with one i'm a do it, i'm even going to accolade and purple him and stuff lol, i never roll a half *** toon even if it's just an experiment.
And actually, you come help us fight crime i'll pl you myself, hero or vill side lol. |
Cause nothing is more hilarious than rolling a fully IOed FOTM with rad/rad/sharks.
Although pwning a Blaster with a petless poison MM is pretty ******' hilarious too.
If you lose to a petless MM on a Blaster you should probably reroll or uninstall.
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This is really getting old. At this point you are just spewing out statements so rampantly incorrect that I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually Hot Heals in disguise trying to annoy me.
-An ultimatum doesn't require a time period, or an issued threat. Arguably, you issued four ultimatums. This one being the most prevalent: "If you cannot enjoy the game without taking somone elses enjoyment you should not be allowed to play." - Giraffe
-A double standard is exactly how I expressed it. You seem to like the idea of letting fightclubbers participate in PvP while using their own made up set of rules, and yet you seem to think that what I'm doing is vile and uncalled for. You are defending one group's rights under the EULA while attempting to unjustify another's.
-Non-commissioned police officers are categorized as civilians under state law.
-The topic of the thread was the fightclub police... I made the thread... I don't see how any sugar coating is involved. Go make your own thread where you talk about how my completely non-serious thread is making you tense and uncomfortable. Maybe you can even make your own organization that protects fightclub duels from being interupted - because that's never been done before... Oh, wait.
-The EULA considers accusing me of griefing to be a form of trolling.
-The giraffe comment was not an attempt at humor. You are a giraffe. Your neck is huge, son.
-The only thing you will get by making more posts in here is laughed at. If you are really looking for a serious non-slinging-back-and-forth debate on the matter of interupting fightclub duels, I'd actually welcome it. I doubt any of us will think differently in the end, though.