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*About 20 people /b something like that and no one could or would explain it, and even a few replied "it's a bubble farm."
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A Bubble Farm was an AE mission with under-leveled Mending Mitochondria. They didn't have any of their attacks; just a single-target heal and gave large xp rewards. People would make entire maps of them.
I say "was", "didn't", and "would" because Mending Mitochondria got yanked out of AE by this morning's patch 
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Oh, thank god.
But, I think he knew what a Bubble Farm was. What people couldn't explain, as I read it, was what a Hami Raid was to those who were asking if it was a bubble farm. ><
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I'm no fan of the power-farming craze; I recognize the damage idiotically easy leveling is doing to the game's long-term health. However, I'm completely baffled by your comments about taunt and tanks. What do they have to do with the rest of your post?
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You mean, new people don't know about an old raid that's largely considered horrible by a large percentage of the vets? That gives out a crappy reward that can be had for often 1/2 the time investment, with also a LOT less work and organization? No one's gonna explain it, because most people would rather pretend it didn't exist, such a shameful excuse for content.
And seriously, 'lol' at trying to start a Hami raid using /b.
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Well, you want a HO? Why not go for SHOs (synthetic HO)? Easier to get a team to do STF or LRSF and complete it then to find enough people on the spur of the moment to do a Hami Raid.
They aren't bubbles! They are Parietal Cells!
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I say "was", "didn't", and "would" because Mending Mitochondria got yanked out of AE by this morning's patch .
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Thank the devs!. I'm in no way against farming, and actually have fun with some of the boss farms because they fight back and you can be killed fairly easily still in them if you're not careful, so it can be still a bit of a challenge on some teams, but the bubbles were just plain exploitive and not fun beating up on stationary objects that can't defend themselves.
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*About 20 people /b something like that and no one could or would explain it, and even a few replied "it's a bubble farm."
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Whats sad is this doesn't suprise me 
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I give up. I really give up. I just want to try and get a couple of HO's. Is that really way too much to ask? I have seen people saying taunt is a wasted power and if you take taunt you don't know how to tank; I have seen a COUPLE of tanks with stealth, but no taunt; I have seen people call Brutes Tanks - I can see there point, but a brute is a brute and grabs aggro for a different reason; I have seen people talk about TF's, bank and mayhem mishes as a complete waste of time; but this sort of turns me off the game all together:
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[Broadcast] Anyone want to start a HAMI RAID? There are a lot of 50's online right now.
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[Team] UR time wasting [CENSORED].
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[Team] Maybe, but looks like people are trying to get hami's orginized in the forums. I am, and a few on Liberty too. But the more the better - cause I love my HO's *evil grin with cow laugh*.
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[Broadcast] What's a hami raid? Is that a bubble farm?*
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[Tell] i dont like bubble farms
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[Tell] --> That's too funny?
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[Broadcast] Bubble farm LF3M PST LVL and AT!
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[Tell] whats funny? lets join that bubble farm instead of starting one
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[Tell] --> Why are you going to join one if you don't like them? BTW, a Hami Raid is....
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So I think I am going to do something more enjoyable with my time, like learn to perform dentistry on myself. It seems we have reached a point where noobs are everywhere at every level and people just don't want to help anymore. When I started 18 months ago, I had a lot of help. By the time I got my first toon to 30, on protector, I knew what to do, and how to respec it, and look so forwarded to doing high lvl TF's and raids. There was a time people would "/b Anyone want to start a raid?" in PI, TI, or Grand and boom, you had enough or came close to having enough. Now it seems the raids are dying out - be it hami or RWZ. It seems like ALL HAIL AE! Seriously, is it me or is this what the games seems to have become in the past few months?
*About 20 people /b something like that and no one could or would explain it, and even a few replied "it's a bubble farm."
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Where is that happening? Pinnacle?
I'll bet Freedom is worse then this?
... any time I've seen people broadcasting/blind inviting for a hami raid, they started planning it a week ago. Maybe that's a server-specific thing.
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So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
Organizing a Hami raid on any server requires a lot more preparation time than standing around using broadcast... Broadcast is good for those folks who may not have known about it the hour of the event, and say "hey I have a couple hours to blow let's do this".
Hami Os are not "all that" any more either. They're far outshined by io sets, and since they're random drops anyway you just never even know that what you're going to get is going to be useful to you.
So I'm not really clear on the complaint here... People dont' know that there is a "hami raid" concept, I can understand that, were you *broadcasting in Atlas* or in *PI or FF*?
People who claim that a tauntless tank is better than one that has taunt are insane. Particularly if you're gonna do a hami raid, you MUST have at least A taunter. I didn't have taunt on MY tank for a long time *because I solo* and didn't need it for team play. I know some people who DO have tauntless tanks and have turned it into an artform, but they're the only players I would trust to run a group event with, on a toon like that.
... So jot on down to the server forums, and poke around to see when hami might be good. But I don't really like doing them, if they'd change it back to the old way I would even try *leading* one, I did so many way back when with my first 50. But they changed it just about the time my 2nd 50 came up, and she only has maybe 1 HO on her for that reason. Hami raids aren't as fun for me as they once were and the pitiful whining about them in some channels when it's brought up leads me to believe a LOT of people don't like the new raids either.
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Repurposed
A Hami raid involves a giant Jello mold located in the back end of an unused zone on the other end of another unused zone.
It's protected by a lot of mushrooms, trees and rocks that try really hard to kill you. You need to kill a lot of them first so they will drop enhancements that you can use to prevent the giant jello mold from killing you, but it wont. It will kill you anyway.
The jello mold will sit there not doing anything watching 40 or 50 level fifty characters gather on the hill next to it, and then the players charge in. The Jello mold then kills them all. Starting with the toughest and working down the list. This takes surprisingly little time.
THen the organizer of the raid will say "that didn't work, lets try another way." in which case, everyone will buff the heck out of some of the tanks... who will be backed up by healers, and they will charge in... while other teams go about dismantling the thicker "fruity-colored" bits of the jello mold. much thought will go into this, and a lot of effort.
The Jello mold won't notice, and proceed with its original plan again, killing all the players.... this takes slightly more time, but not by much.
THe organizer will then have everybody go and kill more mushrooms trees and rocks to get more things that are supposed to help, and try again...
But by then most of the players have said unkind things about the organizers mother, jello molds, and fruity bits, and have gone back to killing things that don't hit very hard in the MA building.
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A Hami raid involves a giant Jello mold located in the back end of an unused zone on the other end of another unused zone.
It's protected by a lot of mushrooms, trees and rocks that try really hard to kill you. You need to kill a lot of them first so they will drop enhancements that you can use to prevent the giant jello mold from killing you, but it wont. It will kill you anyway.
The jello mold will sit there not doing anything watching 40 or 50 level fifty characters gather on the hill next to it, and then the players charge in. The Jello mold then kills them all. Starting with the toughest and working down the list. This takes surprisingly little time.
THen the organizer of the raid will say "that didn't work, lets try another way." in which case, everyone will buff the heck out of some of the tanks... who will be backed up by healers, and they will charge in... while other teams go about dismantling the thicker "fruity-colored" bits of the jello mold. much thought will go into this, and a lot of effort.
The Jello mold won't notice, and proceed with its original plan again, killing all the players.... this takes slightly more time, but not by much.
THe organizer will then have everybody go and kill more mushrooms trees and rocks to get more things that are supposed to help, and try again...
But by then most of the players have said unkind things about the organizers mother, jello molds, and fruity bits, and have gone back to killing things that don't hit very hard in the MA building.
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[censored] yes!
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A Hami raid involves a giant Jello mold located in the back end of an unused zone on the other end of another unused zone.
It's protected by a lot of mushrooms, trees and rocks that try really hard to kill you. You need to kill a lot of them first so they will drop enhancements that you can use to prevent the giant jello mold from killing you, but it wont. It will kill you anyway.
The jello mold will sit there not doing anything watching 40 or 50 level fifty characters gather on the hill next to it, and then the players charge in. The Jello mold then kills them all. Starting with the toughest and working down the list. This takes surprisingly little time.
THen the organizer of the raid will say "that didn't work, lets try another way." in which case, everyone will buff the heck out of some of the tanks... who will be backed up by healers, and they will charge in... while other teams go about dismantling the thicker "fruity-colored" bits of the jello mold. much thought will go into this, and a lot of effort.
The Jello mold won't notice, and proceed with its original plan again, killing all the players.... this takes slightly more time, but not by much.
THe organizer will then have everybody go and kill more mushrooms trees and rocks to get more things that are supposed to help, and try again...
But by then most of the players have said unkind things about the organizers mother, jello molds, and fruity bits, and have gone back to killing things that don't hit very hard in the MA building.
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I laughed. I cried. I bought the DVD.
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... any time I've seen people broadcasting/blind inviting for a hami raid, they started planning it a week ago. Maybe that's a server-specific thing.
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Seen both. Sometimes and SG or colalition will post in advanced, but 1/2 the team seems to join from a broadcast. But it's not about the hami, or rikti raid. It's not about TF's, teams, or radio missions. It's about the lack of help that seems to exist now. How everything appears geared to finding and creating farm team and missions. How it seems bad toons and players seem to exist in spades. (Don't get me wrong. I am not a great player. I am an average player.) I'm asking am I the only person who feels this way about people asking and getting help? I'm asking am I the only person who feels this way about how regular content, TF's, raids and so on appear to be a dying "art?"
I server hop between Liberty, Champion, Infinity, Pinnacle, and Virtue these days - so no, I do not get the impression from just one server.
Funny stuff 
-- that said, everybody with a toon in high 40's should do a Hami Raid at least once. It's like a rite of passage
In order to run a Hami raid on Pinnacle, you need about 6-7 competent, experienced, and willing team leaders that can organize each component of the strategy and explain it to their team members, most of whom will have no idea what is going on. You cannot recruit these leaders on the fly or on the forums. They must be people you already know and trust. You also need about a week's advance notice, heavy advertising across global channels, and a lot of patience as 50% of the people who show up will not be properly equipped for the unique inconveniences of Hamidon (flying enemies, higher than usual knockback mag, higher than usual stun mag).
On servers like Virtue with regular and frequent raids this is a little easier as you can rely on "the regulars" showing up and pulling their weight because they've all done it 50+ times.
In order to run a Hami raid on Freedom, you need to have been dropped on your head repeatedly as a child.
Other servers are somewhere in between these extremes.
And after all that, the 53 merits are a better choice than the HO. If you want HOs, do the LRSF/STF.
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A Hami raid involves a giant Jello mold located in the back end of an unused zone on the other end of another unused zone.
It's protected by a lot of mushrooms, trees and rocks that try really hard to kill you. You need to kill a lot of them first so they will drop enhancements that you can use to prevent the giant jello mold from killing you, but it wont. It will kill you anyway.
The jello mold will sit there not doing anything watching 40 or 50 level fifty characters gather on the hill next to it, and then the players charge in. The Jello mold then kills them all. Starting with the toughest and working down the list. This takes surprisingly little time.
THen the organizer of the raid will say "that didn't work, lets try another way." in which case, everyone will buff the heck out of some of the tanks... who will be backed up by healers, and they will charge in... while other teams go about dismantling the thicker "fruity-colored" bits of the jello mold. much thought will go into this, and a lot of effort.
The Jello mold won't notice, and proceed with its original plan again, killing all the players.... this takes slightly more time, but not by much.
THe organizer will then have everybody go and kill more mushrooms trees and rocks to get more things that are supposed to help, and try again...
But by then most of the players have said unkind things about the organizers mother, jello molds, and fruity bits, and have gone back to killing things that don't hit very hard in the MA building.
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That is one of the funniest and most accurate descriptions I have heard. I just spat out coffee into my keyboard too.
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[E]verybody with a toon in high 40's should do a Hami Raid at least once. It's like a rite of passage
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So is circumcision, in some cultures.
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[Broadcast] Anyone want to start a HAMI RAID? There are a lot of 50's online right now.
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This is where you failed. This kind of statement puts you firmly in the category of Picnic Raider, and thus not to be taken seriously, especially if you're not a known successful raid leader on your server.
When I say Picnic Raid I mean the rough equivalent is something like:
"Hey let's go have a picnic! I'll bring the potato salad!"
"Hey let's go raid Hami! I want an HO!"
Even in games with a solid raiding culture, there is very rarely anything like a fully PuG raid that turns out successfully. You have to take the time to plan, you have to build up some buzz, you have to get your core people knowledgeable and familiar both with the plan and each other before you try to fill out the rest of the raid with people off the street.
IF you had a group of SG friends, and IF you knew handful of people who were knowledgeable raiders to lead teams, and IF you knew a bunch of them were looking for something to do, THEN you might have had a reasonable expectation of pulling together enough people to fill out your raid.
As it is, if your server doesn't raid regularly, you need to do the planning to compensate for the rookie factor. The more people that don't know what's going on, the longer your raid takes, period.
H_B can attest when we tested the new raid in closed beta, it took forever, even with experienced raiders. That was because we were all learning our timing. If/until you have several people all familiar with the system and comfortable leading their teams, then you are one person trying to explain the plan and nuances of each role to 30+ others. That doesn't work well.
I wouldn't have gone on your raid. I wouldn't have believed any time estimate you gave shorter than 4 hours. I wouldn't even consider tagging along unless you honestly said you had most of the people you needed and just wanted fillers.
Hami Raids aren't hard, but don't think that means they're easy. Don't blame the AE for that either. It's a community of people who are mostly unwilling to put in even the minimum of planning and effort to learn the raid that makes Hami Raiding as uncommon as it is. Unplanned raids lead to failed raids. Failed Raids lead to people unwilling to raid in the future. People unwilling to raid in the future means you have little chance of succeeding in a PuG raid.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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A Hami raid involves a giant Jello mold located in the back end of an unused zone on the other end of another unused zone.
It's protected by a lot of mushrooms, trees and rocks that try really hard to kill you. You need to kill a lot of them first so they will drop enhancements that you can use to prevent the giant jello mold from killing you, but it wont. It will kill you anyway.
The jello mold will sit there not doing anything watching 40 or 50 level fifty characters gather on the hill next to it, and then the players charge in. The Jello mold then kills them all. Starting with the toughest and working down the list. This takes surprisingly little time.
THen the organizer of the raid will say "that didn't work, lets try another way." in which case, everyone will buff the heck out of some of the tanks... who will be backed up by healers, and they will charge in... while other teams go about dismantling the thicker "fruity-colored" bits of the jello mold. much thought will go into this, and a lot of effort.
The Jello mold won't notice, and proceed with its original plan again, killing all the players.... this takes slightly more time, but not by much.
THe organizer will then have everybody go and kill more mushrooms trees and rocks to get more things that are supposed to help, and try again...
But by then most of the players have said unkind things about the organizers mother, jello molds, and fruity bits, and have gone back to killing things that don't hit very hard in the MA building.
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Heh, nicely put. Points for humor factor.
It sound's like you need to come to Justice and experience one of our scheduled Hami raids. Seasoned vets run the raid and have it perfected to nearly an artform. We do them 2 or 3 times a week, and the average raid takes an hour.
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And after all that, the 53 merits are a better choice than the HO. If you want HOs, do the LRSF/STF.
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I'll often take an HO on the second raid on Saturdays, unless I don't think I'll want to play the character for the next 24 hours, in which case I'll just leave the reward window up.
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[Broadcast] Anyone want to start a HAMI RAID? There are a lot of 50's online right now.
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This is where you failed. This kind of statement puts you firmly in the category of Picnic Raider, and thus not to be taken seriously, especially if you're not a known successful raid leader on your server.
When I say Picnic Raid I mean the rough equivalent is something like:
"Hey let's go have a picnic! I'll bring the potato salad!"
"Hey let's go raid Hami! I want an HO!"
Even in games with a solid raiding culture, there is very rarely anything like a fully PuG raid that turns out successfully. You have to take the time to plan, you have to build up some buzz, you have to get your core people knowledgeable and familiar both with the plan and each other before you try to fill out the rest of the raid with people off the street.
IF you had a group of SG friends, and IF you knew handful of people who were knowledgeable raiders to lead teams, and IF you knew a bunch of them were looking for something to do, THEN you might have had a reasonable expectation of pulling together enough people to fill out your raid.
As it is, if your server doesn't raid regularly, you need to do the planning to compensate for the rookie factor. The more people that don't know what's going on, the longer your raid takes, period.
H_B can attest when we tested the new raid in closed beta, it took forever, even with experienced raiders. That was because we were all learning our timing. If/until you have several people all familiar with the system and comfortable leading their teams, then you are one person trying to explain the plan and nuances of each role to 30+ others. That doesn't work well.
I wouldn't have gone on your raid. I wouldn't have believed any time estimate you gave shorter than 4 hours. I wouldn't even consider tagging along unless you honestly said you had most of the people you needed and just wanted fillers.
Hami Raids aren't hard, but don't think that means they're easy. Don't blame the AE for that either. It's a community of people who are mostly unwilling to put in even the minimum of planning and effort to learn the raid that makes Hami Raiding as uncommon as it is. Unplanned raids lead to failed raids. Failed Raids lead to people unwilling to raid in the future. People unwilling to raid in the future means you have little chance of succeeding in a PuG raid.
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Exactly had a broadcast like that once except Hami spawned and said what the hell I have a good toon and can help out. Waited 3 hours for the raid to get started.
I was thinking I could of done 3-4 TF's including a STF or LRSF in this time and already got a SHO...
Also the pain of the core people disconnecting and leaches sneaking in... just not always worth it for the time invested to do on a PUG.
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"NCSOFT doesn't fork for anyone but they might spoon you if they like you"
I give up. I really give up. I just want to try and get a couple of HO's. Is that really way too much to ask? I have seen people saying taunt is a wasted power and if you take taunt you don't know how to tank; I have seen a COUPLE of tanks with stealth, but no taunt; I have seen people call Brutes Tanks - I can see there point, but a brute is a brute and grabs aggro for a different reason; I have seen people talk about TF's, bank and mayhem mishes as a complete waste of time; but this sort of turns me off the game all together:
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[Broadcast] Anyone want to start a HAMI RAID? There are a lot of 50's online right now.
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[Team] UR time wasting [CENSORED].
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[Team] Maybe, but looks like people are trying to get hami's orginized in the forums. I am, and a few on Liberty too. But the more the better - cause I love my HO's *evil grin with cow laugh*.
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[Broadcast] What's a hami raid? Is that a bubble farm?*
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[Tell] i dont like bubble farms
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[Tell] --> That's too funny?
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[Broadcast] Bubble farm LF3M PST LVL and AT!
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[Tell] whats funny? lets join that bubble farm instead of starting one
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[Tell] --> Why are you going to join one if you don't like them? BTW, a Hami Raid is....
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So I think I am going to do something more enjoyable with my time, like learn to perform dentistry on myself. It seems we have reached a point where noobs are everywhere at every level and people just don't want to help anymore. When I started 18 months ago, I had a lot of help. By the time I got my first toon to 30, on protector, I knew what to do, and how to respec it, and look so forwarded to doing high lvl TF's and raids. There was a time people would "/b Anyone want to start a raid?" in PI, TI, or Grand and boom, you had enough or came close to having enough. Now it seems the raids are dying out - be it hami or RWZ. It seems like ALL HAIL AE! Seriously, is it me or is this what the games seems to have become in the past few months?
*About 20 people /b something like that and no one could or would explain it, and even a few replied "it's a bubble farm."